Let's Cut the BS
Not a one of us can know the whole truth, but we can pretend to know the whole truth. Or at least more of the truth than we actually grasp. This pretense is what I call "bullshit." Our lives are permeated with bullshit. All of us think we know things, when in fact we know nearly nothing (some of the more adventurous subjective thinkers posit that we know absolutely nothing, a truth in and of itself).
Our collective bullshit combines into a Tower of Babel. Billions of wagging tongues sharing their grain of truth in trash bags of bullshit. All of us, from cradle to grave, think we know the truth better than everyone else outside of their ancestors or tribal elders. There are effective ways of determining universal truths. Empricism will yield the truth that fire burns. Logic will yield the truth that all cats are mammals. Statistics will reveal that your chances of winning the lottery are 1 in 53,981,544,960. This is all well and fine when you are living your day to day existence. You will not stick your hand into a fire, you will realize that cats have something in common with you, and you will not play the lottery.
Bullshit arises when you begin to project values, predict outcomes, and in other ways try to make solid what is essentially abstract. For example, it is one thing to empircally ascertain the fact that fire burns. It is another thing to state that fire burns everything. It is one thing to state that the odds of winning the lottery are astronomical. It is another thing to state that whoever wins the lottery is lucky.
I know this is all very condescending and in some ways breathtakingly facile. But I am trying to point out (while painfully glossing over centuries of philosophic inquiry) that we are all, to a person, full of shit. Some are more full of shit than others.
I will now paraphrase Ernest Hemingway: "what an artist needs is a cast-iron one hundred percent foolproof bullshit detector." This is why I have taken the time to define bullshit as I perceive bullshit to be. 99.9999999% of what comes out of our mouth, fingertips, or other means and extensions of communication is bullshit. So if we were to obey the dictate of Papa Hemingway, the detector would always be pinging. I know mine does, especially when it is pointed at me.
I am writing this out of an urgent desire to promote an atmosphere of dialogue and compromise. We can not and will not know much of anything in this lifetime. Most of what we learn is recycled homilies that reinforce emotional needs. When, as a progressive, you deal with a conservative, know that the both of you are steeped in bullshit. The two of you have come from distinct backgrounds and upbringing that have largely molded your views, and many of these viewx are individually sacrosanct. The conservative will nearly always believe that domestic government should be small, money belongs primarily to those who earn it, and hard times usually fall on those who deserve them. The progressive will nearly always believe that a society is only as good as its weakest link, and that participartory government secures the public welfare and promotes domestic tranquility. There are a host of facts, statistics, and truths that can be woven together by either side to prove these assumptions. There are also an army of recriminations and prejudices that can prevent either side from exploring the potential validity of the other. In either case, both sides, no matter our affection or distaste for one or the other, is bullshit because they are beliefs.
I am not saying that nihilism triumphs and that we should not bother. I am saying that the root of our problem is that we universally presume far too much of ourselves and our opinions. I am guilty of this nearly every day... in fact, I am required to do this in my day job. But I do believe that the root of wisdom is to recognize just how little we know and how insignificant we are. Defend your values and opinions forecefully and clearly, but please recognize that what you believe is not objectively true. Understand that belief and, dare I write it, faith dominates our thinking and perpetually wraps us in a fog of ignorance. This should give us all hope that we can set aside our differences (given that they are all made of bullshit) and recognize the essential dignity and jeopardy of our human lives and work together without preconceived rancor to find whatever pragmatic solution may avail us from this current mess.












It logically follows, then, that what you have written is bull shit. Aside from logic, intuitively it also sounds like a bunch of bull shit to me.
January 27, 2009 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you for using my words to reach your logical conclusion. In that manner, we have agreed on the major premise.
Of course this post is bullshit. I have condensed a history of inquiry into a cheap and tawdry conclusion. The Hindus say it better and call it Maya.
January 27, 2009 8:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your major premise is that we are all full of shit.
I disagree. Many folks are, many are not. I simply agreed that your post was bull shit.
January 27, 2009 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bullshit in what reapect, Charlie?
January 27, 2009 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll answer this one for you Charlie, using Zip's own words...
"I know this is all very condescending..."
January 28, 2009 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
"May the Baby Jesus shut your mouth and open your mind." - Captain Beefheart
January 28, 2009 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
And if your post is bull shit, as you say, then you are saying that not everyone is full of shit.
It's like drawing a box and writing within the box "everything written in this box is not true". It's meaningless.
January 27, 2009 9:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone is full of shit, but the parameters of a blog are confining to an argument that favors that conclusion. My post can therefore be bullshit while the core principle of man's essential ignorance remains valid.
I am in agreement with Kant, Schopenhauer, Socrates, Derrida, and Groucho Marx. I laugh at your criticism, but I cry a little, also.
January 27, 2009 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well done.
January 28, 2009 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just as the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference, the opposite of bullshit is not truth, but simply more bullshit. Yes, this post is full of bullshit. But, it's some of the best bullshit I've seen in a while.
January 28, 2009 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me start out by paying you the compliment of acknowledging that everything you've written here is bullshit and everything I'm saying here in response is bullshit.
It is the one thing we can say with absolute certainty.
And with that, let us celebrate. For we have just made more progress toward mutual understanding than any other humans have since the dawn of civilization.
January 27, 2009 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Zen monk asks her disciple if a dog has Buddha consciousness. When the disciple answered WOOF! the monk realized that her disciple was enlightened.
You have barked, and I applaud.
January 27, 2009 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok. Zen monk, his disciple (a stunt double for Brad Pitt), and a talking dog walk into a bar.
The horse slinging drinks that night says, "What's yer poison?"
Dog turns to the monk & asks, "Woof... Woof. Woof."
Monk says...
January 28, 2009 12:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bud? Ha!
January 28, 2009 7:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
THIS IS ALL A BUNCH OF SHIT!!!!!
Only kidding. Half kidding.
January 27, 2009 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Somebody asked: What is zen?
Somebody answered: Dried dung.
There you have it!
I guess the moral of the story is to seek the dried dung. Now, of course, in zen you are never supposed to put the meaning into words. But this is a blog. I've interpreted that to mean that when we read or hear something, we are receiving the digested droppings, so to speak. So I say, begin with the "leavings" and work backwards - to whatever was consumed and digested - that led to the droppings.
Perhaps we could learn much from following the knowledge trail, rather than just critiquing the droppings.
Then again, I could be wrong.
January 27, 2009 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dried dung? Ha! That reminds me of my Rabbi friend who once told me, "Of course God is dead! Everywhere you can smell His rotting corpse!"
January 27, 2009 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The knowledge trail?? You mean like, make sound rational inferences in service to forensics? Give up subjectivity in favor of intersubjectively acceptable objectivity?
How entirely too civilized and adult that would be!
If you must ask, ask rather, "What is not zen?"
January 27, 2009 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
This sandwich.
Well... you asked.
January 27, 2009 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's one correct answer. Only when it's consumed, digested, evacuated, and dried (or maybe freeze-dried would work!) - can you get to zen. (or is it zed?)
January 27, 2009 11:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which sandwich? I have a Zen on poppyseed with a side of delusion.
January 27, 2009 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
How much for the side? 99 cents? Can I bag it? Cool.
Got some delusions at home, but they've gone a bit stale. Could use some freshening up.
January 28, 2009 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did you ask the sandwich or did it ask you? I would guess: Neither.
"This sandwich" is not a sandwich, but is a zen sandwich.
Apologies to Magritte.
January 28, 2009 3:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Le sandwiche? C'est moi!
January 28, 2009 8:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
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(Chesire cat smile...
January 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I always liked that image of knowledge being a mountain you climb. And the higher you go, the more you can look out and see that you DON'T know.
I comfort myself with the thought that while I've only got about 0.000002% of it right, the people I'm arguing with only got 0.000001% of it straight.
Ignoramuses. (Ignorami?)
January 27, 2009 10:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who you callin' Ignoramus, smartass?
Zipper? Throw this trash outta here, willya?
0.000002% --- ha. Dude's stone cold FULL of shit, if you ask me.
January 28, 2009 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
You two fighting again?
January 28, 2009 8:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't get it.
January 27, 2009 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Join the club.
January 27, 2009 10:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bwak if you are talking about Q, he talks to himself a lot. I told him he did not need a pc to accomplish this end, but, alas he continues.
On the other hand if you are attempting to get into a repartee with Zipper, well good luck.
But, as the Greek told Polythemus, I am No man.
As Descarte said: I think therefore I am.
As Someone recently told me: You can't spell.
Or as w once said to his father after being castigated for the condition of the automobile:
I KNOW NOTHING.
January 28, 2009 1:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know a word's that hard to spell, Dick?
Misspell.
It's a right bastard. I looked it up in Grade 2, and asked the teacher is she could spell it. Ha! Victory.
P.S. I need the computer to talk to myself, because all these tubes down my throat make me hard to understand.
P.P.S. On Dasher, on Prancer, on Karlof and Vixen! Away!!!!!!
January 28, 2009 1:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't Misspell the name of your grade 2 teacher herself?
January 28, 2009 8:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Naw, Misspell was my Grade 1 teacher. (Which is why I knew how to spell it.) Miss Ann Thrope was Grade 2. Then Miss Cegenation for Grade 3. (Twice.) Then Brother Brunobeatyouwithastickyoumouthylilbastardyou for Grades 4 and 11. (Skipped a couple in there.)
After that, went to college & got a BS.
May need a refresher course though. Feels like I'm down a pint.
January 28, 2009 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
You never answered me over on another thread. You claim to be a Democrat. Who got your vote in November?
January 28, 2009 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Damn! That was meant for renae, downstream.
quinn, weren't you in my algebra class at some point? The teacher was Helen Blazes!
January 28, 2009 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Funny, I had Sister Sallybeatyourknuckleswithasplinteredruleryoulazyrottenbugger. I wouldn't have thought they were related.
January 28, 2009 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
It all boils down to this: Don't believe everything you think.
January 28, 2009 1:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
...and invest in laxatives and toilets.
January 28, 2009 1:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Stilli that is real infrastructure
January 28, 2009 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bull/shit. That's as close as I can come to cutting the BS, in a literary kinda way. Regarding sandwiches, I've swallowed a few whose prime component was s@#t.
January 28, 2009 3:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
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Hey . . .
I invested in a Nevada house of ill repute and plumbing company. I got 'em coming and going.
And if you believe that, you'll believe any bullshit.
~OGD~
January 28, 2009 4:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Funny duck!
January 28, 2009 4:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, what time did the est seminar start? Sorry, I'm late, my time machine got stuck in the 90's ... Yes, I take full responsibility for my late-ness. Did I miss anything important or was it just the usual watered-down zen bulls**t? Get it? Of course I get it. You got it. If you got it, I got it. Got it? Good. Can I go to the bathroom now?
P.S. Telling people that their BS is BS will never get you elected. You will only get elected by telling people that some other people's BS is BS. (Yes, of course that's BS. That's the point of this thread, isn't it?)
January 28, 2009 7:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now that we've settled that question, can we get back to stuff we can discuss? This is very clearly in the "Why is there anything?" group.
An eloquent discussion of human uncertainty is George Soros' concept of Radical Fallibility, which I first found in his book, "The Bubble of American Supremacy: Correcting the Misuse of American Power".
January 28, 2009 7:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry... the "I wish to have an argument" room is just down the hall. This is the "Confuse a cat" room.
Nonetheless, you get 10 points and a free sandwich for Bud. Ha. ;-)
January 28, 2009 8:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Loved that book by Soros. Great companion piece is Robert Kuttner's Squandering of America.
January 28, 2009 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
If that's mostly original, yours is a mind to be envied even if you are a communist.
January 28, 2009 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
renae, you never answered my question from another thread. You claim to be a Democrat. Who did you vote for in November? And did you vote in a primary? If so, for whom? Did you do what your leader, Rush told you to do?
January 28, 2009 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am a registered democrat. I voted for Palin in the general election. I honestly don't remember which democrat I voted for in the primaries. I don't have a leader who goes by the name of Rush.
January 28, 2009 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Funny, I was just going to ask you if you thought Palin was qualified to be POTUS, and now I know the answer.
Good, I can go back to feeling smug now.
January 28, 2009 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palin was, and remains, the most qualified of the four who wound up on the national ticket. She will be back on the national stage.
January 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Only if the sign above it says "Ringling Bros."
January 28, 2009 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Holy crap. Did you even read this before you posted it.
Perhaps you should watch this debate from when she ran for governor before you say such things. The only reason she won is because only half of Alaska showed up to vote, and only a third of the general election voters showed up for the primary.
Taking six years and multiple schools to get a degree in journalism doesn't make one qualified to be a journalist, let alone a governor. Palin at the top of the ticket in 2012 means Obama wins 50 states and will spell the final end of the modern republican party.
Not a moment too soon as far as I am concerned.
January 28, 2009 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whoever won this election, whether McCretin or Obama, was doomed to be a one term president.
I realize you're a rabid Palin hater, as are the rest of the posters here. You felt the same way about Ronald Reagan. But there will be a dynamic at work in 2012 which is new.
The MSM has spent all it's credibility getting Obama elected. I know you don't believe so, but just look at the polls. They're spending borrowed credibility now pushing the socialist agenda.
Your first disappointment will be the 2000 congressional elections. 2012's results will inflame you so a lot of you will turn to active terrorism.
January 28, 2009 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just goes to show that you are still committed to being left in the dustbin of history. Your ideology failed. Reagan is a clown and will be regarded in the fullness of time as one of our worst presidents. Along with Daddy and Baby Bush.
I don't hate Palin. I don't even know her. That a second-rate sports caster could be elected governor of Alaska makes me ashamed of my native state. I console myself with the fact that it was a pathetically small percentage who got her through the primaries, thus assuring a victory in November.
Barack will be a two term president because he is the real deal. 2010 will find expanded majorities for the democrats given the current performance of Boener et. al. as well as an unprecendent turnover of repulican incumbents with fresh new conservatives elected in resurgent primaries that will see historically high turnout. If you think Barack isn't smart enough to see the opportunity in our primary elections and plan to take advantage of it then you haven't been paying attention.
I am left to conclude that you are either messing with all of us or you are exactly what you seem to be. Either reality is equally sad for the lack of a real life that it implies.
January 28, 2009 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the contrary dear Jason,
We just learned house repubs voted against the massive pork spending bill unanimously!!!! This is a historic day!! The die is cast for the remake of '94!!!!!
No, my ideology is in ascendancy!!!!
January 28, 2009 7:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yet, of course, the bill passed anyway and none but the most ideological zealot thinks it is "pork laden" or indicative republican ascendancy in 2010.
What they have actually done is sealed their fate when the economy rebounds and Barack hangs his success around their necks. Incumbent challengers will be falling over themselves to paint current GOPers as obstructionist and not serious about fixing the country.
Weakness isn't only exploited by in the general election.
January 28, 2009 7:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the narrative is that the GOP wanted to give the same contemptible yuppie scum who got us into this financial mess tax breaks as an incentive to get us out of the mess.
That's more than bullshit. That's a bullshit fractal.
January 28, 2009 7:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Girl, you SO crazeee!!!
January 28, 2009 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like that avatar. Where did you get it? I looked all over the web for free, but couldn't find anything comely.
January 28, 2009 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's an idea: Let's cut the pompous proselytizing, bombastic concern trolling, and self-aggrandizing bunkum disguised as philosophical bar-raising and present a cogent argument about a substantive issue, hmm? Talk about bullshit! These lectures lately are getting tedious. Go enroll in a class if you need so much goddamn attention!
January 28, 2009 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ironic that you would offer a lecture in response to denigrating lectures.
Sometimes people need to know when they are producing an over-abundance of bullshit in order to clear the way for more substantive debates. I would much rather be posting on any number of things I find interesting rather than deflating the rather enlarged egos of some TPM bloggers.
Did it ever occur to you that both Zipper's post and mine are encouraging the very thing you offered in protest?
January 28, 2009 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey! "Self-aggrandizing bunkum!" Them's fightin' words, Gasket.
Ok. Here's the deal. Give us another awesome post (another one of those 74 Recs babies) and I'll.... ummmmm..... write one on why our infrastructure spending is stuck in the 1950's.
Or maybe on Caroline Kennedy's shoes.
You choose. ;-)
January 28, 2009 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gasket,
I did the cogent stuff a couple of days ago. But every once in a while I have to point out that if this planet were to explode, the universe would continue unfolding and slouching towards entropy. And this planet will explode, or dessicate (depending on the Frost stanza) entirely due to our IGNORANCE and our INABILITY to put things into PERSPECTIVE.
Cue Plan 9:
STUPID!! STUPID STUPID STUPID!!
So, here's a straw. Suck it up.
January 28, 2009 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I totally agree that humans are utterly stupid, LOL!
January 28, 2009 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
That doesn't work, teacher never calls on me.
January 28, 2009 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awesome blog. I suspect the underlying truth of this blog will be lost on some (see gasket overhead) but most I figure will get the idea. You have captured the essential logic that struck me this last election season. Both sides of our political leadership are bullshit artists of the highest order.
Their propensity for delusions of grandeur would naturally rub off on their more impressionable followers and lead to a place where infallibility is somehow equal to intellectualism. One Wilson had a blog not long ago about a similar trend in that we are only presented with two choices for an argument when the more likely set of solutions will include three or more options to choose from.
Historical trends in human societal evolution has been slowly moving us toward the idea that we really know nothing, no matter how much we may have studied or surmised, and only when we see that lack can we start learning what we need to know. There isn't a single philosophical tradition that doesn't include some acknowledgment of our total fallibility as humans.
Then again, I am mostly full of shit myself, so maybe I am totally wrong. Per your recommendation, I will simply assume I am correct and act accordingly until I am in receipt of new information.
January 28, 2009 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
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Funny how some assume they are even here . . .
As my late great friend George R. Murray wrote:
~OGD~
January 28, 2009 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink