Democrats & Republicans must stop being so fu***** extremist!
I have been struggling with a strong case of disillusionment recently. Yes, my illusi has been feeling quite dissed. After much soul-searching into why I've settled into a general state of ennui, I finally came too the core of the issue. I now understand what has bothered me so much. Extremism. And now I understand that I must fight it.
If I may be blunt, here is what we call the nut graph of this post: Americans on both sides of the aisle are becoming far too extremist. Both Democrats and Republicans have flown over the edge of reason, and they must be reigned back in.
Because, let's face it, extremism will destroy this nation and both sides must come to grips with the extremists in their midsts. Thus, Republicans must come face-to-face with things like having their supporters show up at Barack Obama speeches with guns. And Democrats must boldly face the extremists on their side.
Also, Republicans must look to help the troubled extremists who kill innocent people in the name of Conservatives. And Democrats must deal with the extremists on their side, as well.
There's so much more for both sides to work on. The Democrats must shut down the leftist extremists that threaten to destroy the party by doing the things they do and saying the things they say. And Republicans must deal with those that scream at the President during official speeches, those that hurl hate and disinformation at the public, those that believe Obama was born in Kenya, those that call Obama "Hitler," those that scream of death panels, etc.
This is a bi-partisan issue, my friends. This nation needs both sides to come together and shed the fringe elements that threaten our very existence. More than anything, both sides need to stop being such fuc**** extremists.
--WKW
Brilliant and funny.
September 15, 2009 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Frilly and ebullient.
September 15, 2009 10:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
We could be reviewers.
September 16, 2009 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, I think we gotta change up the descriptors for Wolfrum. He's gotta be bored with "hilarious" etc. I'm keen on terms that'll confuse him. You know... "high gloss finish," "artesian," stuff like that. Or maybe just use drug names, "Horpanizol." Anything to throw him off his stride, really.
September 16, 2009 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Throw him off his stride while keeping him on his toes.
September 16, 2009 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Throwing him on the floes, while steeping him in pride.
September 16, 2009 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, it is pretty extremist, and unreasonable, to try to prod our society towards something that sort of resembles equality, with universal health care provided for all like most of the industrialized world provide their citizens, good paying jobs being created here in the US and curbing corporate excesses.
And we are extremists since we don't care to compromise right wing extremists. Right Mr. President? We must show how reasonable we are by placating the extremists on the right? The same ones that are trying to do whatever they can to see you, and therefore by extension America, fail, where many are openly hoping for you to be assassinated and calling for revolution?
So either accomodate extremism or be tarred with the same label? What's an extremist to do?
September 15, 2009 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
This blog perfectly illustrates why the democratic party is failing to achieve their stated goals.
By confusing the actions of individuals with the tone and tenor of the discussion coming from both fringes and the resulting reaction it creates in their political opposites, many on the left will continue to be confused as to why their "common sense" ideas don't seem to connect with a healthy portion of the electorate.
Intentions are immaterial when it comes to perception, on both sides of the aisle, never mind the declining role reality plays in this partisan witches brew of missed opportunities.
September 15, 2009 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well Jason there is a problem. People like you are in the OVERWHELMING minority on the right. If there were more people like you there wouldn't be as much extremism on the left. In terms of the Republican politicians in DC I'd say I'd be hard pressed to find a handful of truly reasonable ones. Please advise. We are supposed to engage in a dialogue with people who are reduced to calling me, and everybody on the left, traitors, guilty of treason, socialists, fascists, nazis, etc? How do you propose we move things forward when that, for all intents and purposes, is what the other side has been reduced to? Do we ignore them and just deal with the people in the center to the left?
And it is our failing on the left that the far right, and the people controlling the debate for the whole political right, is consumed by hate and paranoia?
September 15, 2009 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
All change starts from minority positions and attributing the most vitriolic rants to the silent majority makes no more sense than applying my own definitions to that majority. Political ideals seem more a product of the median rather than the mean.
What started out as a ten to fifteen percent slice of republicans in the primary and general voting for Obama (not to mention all those that didn't vote for him but made up part of his 70-plus percent approval rating) could have turned into a significant force from change with just a slightly different tone of voice from the democratic grassroots.
What I am suggesting is that by concentrating too much on the loudest voices in the GOP, who also happen to have the biggest pulpits, the democratic faithful missed the first chance in a generation to fashion a governing majority. I would also suggest that your comment provides some of the context as to why those numbers have slipped.
Increasing the volume doesn't automatically decrease the need for communication. It simply ensures that we never understand what is being said. I struggle with this habit myself, so that is why it seems easy to see the trait in others.
September 15, 2009 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jeez, Jason, you've got to lighten up. You seem to be aging awfully fast.
September 15, 2009 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
We're all going to age pretty fast if we can't learn to communicate. Death makes one pretty light, I would imagine.
September 15, 2009 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wolfrum is making a joke, jason. Granted, it's at the Republicans' expense, but it's a joke nonetheless.
September 15, 2009 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
He is making a joke about calls for civility by many around here, myself chief among them, regarding the tone and tenor coming from many on the far left with regards to the "enemy" that is apparently all around but only visible in the antics of the craziest of the crazies. This blog doesn't exist in a vacuum of context.
September 15, 2009 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B7bVD_DkM4
September 15, 2009 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not speaking of myself. I am speaking of perhaps a dozen or more people who have posted on this subject of late, of which mine is the most recent.
But by all means continue to prove the point that you are incapable of rational discussion on a political blog. That a piece of satire is posted with the ability to post comments, but only comments that are deemed appropriate won't receive immediate ridicule. Sorry if I am the one to point out things most of you really would rather not here.
Now back to your regular amateur hour programming.
September 15, 2009 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jason, I get your point. I really do. But you are taking this very personally, and you shouldn't. I know how strongly you feel about this, but you aren't making your point as well as you could.
September 15, 2009 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not making my point because it shouted down and caricatured at every turn, Ripper.
If I was going to try and make my point using an analogy, it would be our interactions of late. You may not agree with many of my positions, but we have learned to discuss things without all the vitriol and personal insults.
It isn't about me. It is about the democratic party shooting themselves in the foot, again, because they don't even realize they are the ones with the gun.
September 16, 2009 6:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maaaan, this photo is crap, Jason. Who is this old coot? Jesus. If I wanted you talk to a giant, bewhiskered, talking turd, I would've gone to GiantBewhiskeredTalkingTurd.com.
I'd go back to that old avatar if I were you.
September 16, 2009 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll be changing up as needed.
September 16, 2009 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am sorry for confusing the GOP with:
Pat Robertson
Rush Limbaugh
Sean Hannity
Glenn Beck
Michael Savage
Sarah Palin
Joe Wilson
George W. Bush
Charles Krauthammer
Dick Cheney
William Kristol
Gary Bauer
Mitt Romney
Mike Huckabee
Etc.
I should judge the GOP by its moderate majority:
You
Drop the silent majority schtick.
In order for the minority to become progressive and reform vice orthodox, an entire restructuring and reeducation must take place at the grass roots.
But I can't help but notice that you are blaming the showcase lunacy of your party on the left. Feel free to tell me I am misunderstanding you. Your enthymemes are loud and clear.
September 15, 2009 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have yet to blame any one for any thing, so your objection makes little sense.
I have said that too fierce of condemnation of "conservatives" from the left will have unintended consequences such as we are seeing right now.
I guess the "left" is now too righteous to take any sort of constructive criticism.
September 15, 2009 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Saying:
What you've done has created unintended consequences
Is assigning blame.
Yes, there is some harsh rhetoric and some unforgiving positions taken at TPM. But posting in threads with "this post is exactly what's wrong" smacks of hubris. Especially from you, because you disown the leadership of your party as not representing the silent majority.
Hell, you did that to me by calling me paranoid, even for a Marine. How in the hell am I supposed to take that except as a qurstion of my sanity and the sanity of an institution? And I note that the anon-reccing and astroturf from concerned liberals has ceased since Labor Day.
Seriously. Thread Nanny. Go build a better mouse trap.
September 15, 2009 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Given the comment in question, which was that a certain blogger's posts were some sort of right-wing infiltration, the charge seemed appropriate. Most Marines I know are a little more even keeled unless they've been drinking.
As to the rest of your comment, call my critique what you will. Belittlement is a fairly transparent tactic in partisan online sparing.
I call it like I see it. When the entire blog is meant to create a caricature of specific opinions, calling it a big joke is intellectually dishonest in my opinion. I already linked to a comment of you echoing my opinions on this subject, so I am not entirely sure what put you into a place where similar calls for probity are all of a sudden the biggest of TPM sins.
I am not calling out the entire site. I am calling out the Band of Brawlers who make it quite clear that no outside opinions are welcome on their turf.
Whatever it is, you can keep it, because I have no desire to play a game where no dissension with the prevailing group think is brooked. Until the site's owners ask me to go, I will continue to point out the fairly common sense fact that waving your collective dick in the face of 43% of the country is the surest way to fail at all the very important progressive goals you claim to support.
It's amateur hour around here, where even people like Fred Moolten and Stillidealistic get disrespected for providing a more moderate context to various issues. Pointing out that such tone deafness has consequences isn't being a thread nanny. It is recognizing a reality that many here chose to ignore, no matter who tries to point it out.
September 15, 2009 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, I believe jason when he says "I call it like I see it." Explains why most of his observations here seem to originate from someplace far up his ass and possess the substance, integrity and utility of a popcorn fart.
September 16, 2009 9:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
TPM's Band of Brawlers are the only ones who use this sort of inflammatory rhetoric designed to elicit emotional responses.
You're still relying on transparent partisan tactics, WeepingJeezus, that will continue to fail to deliver the results you are looking to achieve.
Good luck with that.
September 16, 2009 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, this one comes courtesy of the "Looking Glass Left."
Still whining I see. You make an absolutely incredible complaint that stillidealistic and Fred Moolten are treated with the same degree of contempt as you are.
That's really not likely. After all, they don't deserve it.
September 16, 2009 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Extremism in the pursuit of ignorance is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of tyranny is no virtue." Shecky Dubya
September 15, 2009 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great one Wolfrum. Though, personally, Jason's self-parody is even better...
;0)
September 15, 2009 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
More pokes from the cheap seats. Typical.
September 15, 2009 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought they were all free. Or did you have to bribe somebody to let you in?
September 16, 2009 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I particularly like "All change starts from minority positions". If that's the case then why are you complaining?
September 15, 2009 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because it can be killed in the womb by an inability on the part of supposed liberals to admit that such a thing is even possible.
You seem ready to harden our divisions if the result is attaining your goals, thus making any gains you might make largely illusory.
Guess it is too much to ask that we actually learn from history. Not sure when nuance and subtlety became a four letter word.
September 15, 2009 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Buzzkill.
September 15, 2009 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
So "I was just joking!" is an acceptable excuse in your world for everything? I live in a world that has consequences, both seen and unintended, and the tenor of a popular blogging site can become the de facto stance of the liberal base.
September 16, 2009 6:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
As usual your logic escapes me Jason. All we liberals have to do is get the president and the Democratic congress to abandon their principles and the promises they made to us and the result will be Democratic electoral landslides forever.
September 16, 2009 1:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, all you have to do is understand you didn't elect a super-duper liberal to be president of a divided country. I never said anything about abandoning anything. Plus, what do good manners and legislative priorities have to do with anything?
Read his book or look at the actual primary elections. Democrats won this year by the skin of their teeth and are acting like Bush did with his 50%+1 "mandate" to shove their stinky finger under the nose of every conservative in the country.
This sort of thing will back fire. It is already back-firing or don't you read the news that doesn't confirm your world view?
September 16, 2009 6:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Democrats won this year by the skin of their teeth and are acting like Bush did with his 50%+1 "mandate" to shove their stinky finger under the nose of every conservative in the country."
When you say things like this, are you referring to the actions Obama and the Democratic Congress are taking? And if so, when you shake your head, do small, chocolate-covered rabbit turds fall out?
Good God Jason, you can't seriously be thinking the actual agenda being moved through is some assault on Conservatism in the US?
September 16, 2009 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the democratic Congress and Obama have been remarkably reserved and conciliatory given the level of crazy coming out of the GOP. I have been itching to write a blog about the moment that objection becomes obstruction but have been diverted from that sort of writing of late.
I was responding to Mark's comment in particular. In that context, my point is that some on the left think that compromise is capitulation, which is causing them to lash out with perhaps more force than is necessary. It is a continuation on the idea that overreaction is sometimes worse than no reaction at all.
I am working on being more clear, so thanks for bearing with me.
September 16, 2009 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Democrats increased our margins in both houses of congress and elected a president with 375 electoral votes, more than twice the Republican's take. The only age demo Obama didn't win was over the 65 year olds. His biggest demo was 18 to 28 year olds which he won with 66% of the vote. Not exactly "skin of our teeth" and bodes well for the future >if he delivers on his campaign promises. Those 18-29 year olds are exactly the kind of idealistic people who can get discouraged if "yes we can" turns into "well we tried".
That's why legislative priorities matter Jason. As for good manners they certainly matter in the south. About 68% of Wilson's district says he was wrong to insult the President. I doubt they know much about the House's rules of decorum he broke but they know bad manners when they see it. His district flipped from solid Republican to toss up overnight. And the longer the teabaggers threaten violence and make wild accusations the lower support for the GOP drops. Especially among women.
And yes you're right, Obama's been preaching about reaching across the aisle for years now. How the hell else is a black man gonna get elected president if not by proving he intends to be president of all the people?
And what has he gotten in response? The other side questions his legitimacy to even be president claiming he was born in Africa. The organizer of Saturday's teabagger gathering in DC Mark Williams calls him an "Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug and a racist in chief". My own milquetoast "moderate" Republican congresswoman emailed her constituents that she was "concerned" about Obama addressing school children.
We get few if any votes from Republicans on any legislation of import. The Republican party's response is to fight any and all initiatives by Obama and Dems, no matter how reasonable, with outrageous lies. They're actively opposing any efforts to bring the USA into the 21st century and fix the various catastrophes that got them thrown out of power in the first place. They're trying to peel off white voters by painting Obama as a divisive "other" but they're just painting themselves into the same corner they've been in for years now.
All politicians' popularity drops during recessions and times of high unemployment. All presidents' ratings drop after the initial honeymoon. But Obama is at 58% according to the latest CNN poll, 66% in the latest NYT/CBS poll. Republicans in congress polled their lowest approval rating in 25 years at 31% in the latter.
Those indies and disaffected Repubs aren't going the GOP's way Jason and despite your sample of one which I believe has more to do with your reception here there's no reason for us to follow them. The American people see the contrast between your party's nutty accusations and the president we actually elected. We see the changes he's trying to bring about, the phony GOP arguments and the idiotic policies of the last 30 years the GOP still clings to. So even if Obama doesn't get R votes in congress we'll get more seats next year. The choice is getting clearer every day.
September 16, 2009 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
You continue to misconstrue everything I say, Mark, so how can we have a reasonable discussion?
This isn't about the GOP leadership or the craziest of the right wing. It is about the moderates and the independents starting to perceive the far left to be as much of an impediment as the far right.
Obama continues to set an example you seem incapable or unwilling to follow, so I find it hilarious that you presume to lecture me on the meaning of his election.
September 16, 2009 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it's hilarious that you joined the Republican party in August 2008 to help Obama get elected.
Like I said you don't express your views clearly Jason. You do it again with the mystifying "moderates and the independents starting to perceive the far left to be as much of an impediment as the far right." You don't speak for moderates and independents Jason.
What is this far left you speak of? Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid? Anti war protesters in SF who wear wigs and pierced nipples? Dennis Kucinich? Or just any Democrat who won't support a sham of a health care bill?
And an impediment to what? Passing a health care bill? Commity? Some never neverland where Republican lambs laid down with Democratic lions?
Look dude your party took us on a drunken joy ride for 30 years telling us we'd all get rich if we let the wealthiest among us pay less taxes, deregulate business and privatize the US government. All we got was a lot poorer, a $11 trillion nat'l. debt, corrupt cronies bleeding the treasury dry and a very seriously messed up country. And not so much as a "we're sorry" out of your side. Instead your guys want to finish the job and kill the US government. Name me one policy the GOP has changed from GW Bush. It's all still the same junk ideology.
Explain to me why any American should ever listen to any of you let alone give those harebrained ideas the time of day?
September 16, 2009 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what is your point beyond the obvious?
That the GOP was joy-riding teen the last three decades? No argument. But your party was in the passenger seat doing shots of Tequila and shouting at women on the sidewalk, so the democratic party is hardly a lamb.
That you continue to misread a very simple statement of why I joined the republican party, which had zero to do with getting Obama elected and everything to do with the hysterical democratic base, is exactly why we continue to have less than productive discussions.
I am going to stop trying to explain fairly simple points any longer.
September 16, 2009 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
You still haven't answered my questions. What is this far left you speak of? And an impediment to what?
September 16, 2009 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice post, Wolf. Apparently a bit too subtle for the room, though. Dumb it down.
September 15, 2009 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL. There's always a heckler who doesn't know when to sit down and STFU in every crowd.
September 15, 2009 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh did Joe "the immigration lawyer, if by immigration you mean real estate lawyer" show up in the guise of a TPM user?
September 15, 2009 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3L29U_8c9U
September 15, 2009 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, I know! Let's take this obvious snark as an opportunity for another gigantic dra-meta post. Because I haven't wasted nearly enough time today.
September 15, 2009 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great idea. At least that would confine the damage to that one post. Perhaps we need a volunteer each day to 'take one for the team' as it were. Since it was your idea, you go first, O.
September 15, 2009 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
As soon as I posted my blog on why the high incidence of celery-eating among TPM participants is leading to a lack of civility, somebody else would post a blog about how celery is a tasty, nutritious snack and I am a heartless, anti-vegetable snob. Then, we'd get another one complaining how carrots always get the short end of the stick. After that, strawberry and watermelon activists would go crazy and throw their hats into the ring. Pretty soon, we'd all have 40 recs and 350 comments, and whoops, there goes another wasted evening.
Pass.
September 15, 2009 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not quite right:
Your celery blog would have a comment about how a study shows that celery would be tastier if only the left would add more potassium to the soil. So we must discuss potassium because it is a perfectly reasonable mineral.
September 15, 2009 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Whatever you do, don't get into it with the eggplant contingent. Their all freaks.
September 15, 2009 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great. Now all we're going to hear all night long are people whining about how we're turning into a Banana Republic. Thanks a lot, zip.
September 15, 2009 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let it be known, Celery is always good with peanut butter.
September 15, 2009 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
It does occur naturally, it must be safe.
September 15, 2009 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't forget rutabaga.
September 15, 2009 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
How about some celery context?
So, shoving celery up one's ass is now considered "cheeky" political commentary. You guys are a bunch of hypocrites who have no idea what being truly liberal is all about. No more than the Raging Right knows how to be conservative.
This site is quickly becoming a joke.
September 16, 2009 6:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Cheeky" political commentary.
Excellent, Jason.
September 16, 2009 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jason, I really love it when non-liberals lecture me about what being truly liberal is really about. Could you please write a blog about it? Make it long. Also, I would appreciate it if it could be really condescending and preachy. Make it clear that you speak for large groups of invisible people who are also not liberal but could school me in what being liberal truly means. In addition, the more you can act like a victim, the more I will enjoy your writing.
Then, if you could conclude with a checklist of points I need to follow to be truly liberal, that would be great because I never think for myself and always rely on the opposition party to tell me what I should think and how I should act.
Cheers.
September 16, 2009 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pretty simple definition for the word. Not really a whole lot of room for interpretation.
September 16, 2009 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bill, can I call you Wolfy! I just love your stuff. You always leave me ROTHFLMAO...
Hey did you know it is crop circle day?
September 15, 2009 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
what's 'h' in your acronym
September 15, 2009 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rolling on the hardwood floor...
September 15, 2009 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was a typo, but they are hardwood floors, so that was really funny! :) Thanks! I can't stop laughing.....
September 15, 2009 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
But of course you can call me "Wolfy." It's much better than "That Dude Who Won't Go Away." ;)
September 16, 2009 7:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wolfy
Fight extreeeemism with medicrity.
Long live Medocrity!
Nice avitar-less frighting than the last two-couldnt figure who that ugly guy in the glasses was though.
M. Paul
September 15, 2009 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
According to jason, the GOP leadership and the fringe are too hardcore. The GOP needs more moderates. Again to jason, for every fringe Republican there are 100 moderate Republicans. Yet, today jason states that he, a GOP moderate, is in the minority in the GOP. How is this possible?
jason says that interacting with GOP moderates will accure benefits for the Democratic Party and the country. How is jason's dismissive style different from what we have come to expect from the GOP leadership and fringe?
September 15, 2009 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, that isn't what I said. What I said was that for every one moderates they see posting here, there are perhaps a hundred who are lurking.
That attacking every conservative who comes here has consequences as TPM has influence in setting the liberal brand, whether you chose to believe that or not.
My style is dismissive? No. It is reflective of the reception that all conservatives receive around here and more than a few moderate democrats and independents.
I would be more than happy to discuss real issues instead of the high school cafeteria some of ya'll would like to turn this place into.
September 15, 2009 8:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
jason, a part of diplomacy and sales is knowing how to address your target audience. Most at TPM simply do not believe what you are selling. You want the moderate coalition, it is your job to bud the bridge. If you maintain your rigid position on how others must behave, it will be your fault that the coalition did not occur.If you are having this much problem at TPM, how will you fare elsewhere?
September 15, 2009 8:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well . . .
Come on now. You know you're howling at the moon.
All you have to do is paste "Jason Everett Miller"+"Mister Bluster knows all" into the ol' Google and hit the Search.
Then simply follow the Cached . . .
~OGD~
September 16, 2009 4:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
There are perhaps a dozen people at a site, of the hundreds who regularly post, who show up to throw stones when I decide to hold up a mirror to their behavior.
Don't flatter yourself that the Band of Brawlers represents "most people" at TPM. At best, you represent yourselves and don't even do that very well.
At worst, you represent the democratic party and that is the saddest thing of all.
September 16, 2009 6:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I never imagined this post would have such wide-ranging ramifications.
September 15, 2009 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's your fault we all can't get along. Jerk.
September 15, 2009 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait a minute. What does this have to do with sheep? And who got ramified?
September 15, 2009 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sheep in wolf clothing!
Baaaa!
M. Paul
ps TJ-i just sprayed rootbeer float all over my lap-top; thanx.
September 16, 2009 1:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Does that increase the RAM?
September 16, 2009 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
comedic drum. drum. symbol.
September 16, 2009 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink