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Bishop Joe Simon Sings the Blues Over Rappers and Ministry


BENEATH THE SPIN • ERIC L. WATTREE

Bishop Joe Simon Sings the Blues Over Rappers and Ministry

I call this column "Beneath the Spin" because it's dedicated to an honest search for truth, an attempt to stimulate thought, and an earnest effort to clear up the trough of pure bullshit served up to us on a daily basis. I generally deal with political demagogues in this context, but due to our current economic crisis I'm going to expand my attention to anything that doesn't smell quite right-and the fumes emanating from my current focus, seriously suggests that demagoguery is far from exclusive to Washington D.C.

While I'm normally not one to defend the rap industry, I have several problems with a claim being levied against it by former rhythm and blues singer, and now ordained bishop, Joe Simon. Bishop Simon is complaining that rappers are destroying his ministry by sampling his material.

In the article, "Bishop Joe Simon Says Rappers Damaging Ministry," in Frost Illustrated, Simon alleged that as a result of rappers sampling his music without his permission, "he started noticing that certain once seemingly open churches were starting to baulk at inviting him to bring his crusade to their pulpits. Some even rescinded speaking invitations they earlier had issued to the bishop." Simon went on to say, "Many churches want no part of preachers whom they feel are straddling the fence between secular and sacred worlds." That seems somewhat disingenuous since one would think that any misunderstanding within the church could easily be cleared up with a simple memo or statement.

The article also points out that "Since near the beginning of the year, Simon said he has sent the record company a series of letters asking that someone talk to him and to work out an agreement." What kind of agreement? You can't un-cook an egg. What kind of 'agreement,' could he come to with the record companies that would un-release music that's already on the market? The only agreement that he can possibly come to is a financial one-and how would a financial agreement help his standing in the church any more than a simple memo or statement that his previous material was being used without his permission?

This is not about his ministry-what needs to be addressed is whether or not this is actually his material. If Simon has legal ownership of the material, why is he trying to chase down record executives instead of hiring an attorney? The obvious conclusion is, he's trying to use God to be compensated for something that he has no legal right to.

The article goes on to point out that "In the wake of more and more folks hearing his voice on rap records, Bishop Simon said some folks seem to be shying away from supporting the ministry financially." Yet, Dr. Mark H. Sandilands, the presiding Bishop of the Mission Consortium of Churches International indicated that "When Bishop Simon was ordained as a part of this organization, he was placed right next to me. If something were to happened to me, he becomes presiding bishop overnight."

Oh really? I find it quite curious that a religious organization that is so disdainful of "worldly music" that it would withdraw support and speaking engagements, would place a "worldly musician" who is newly ordained into the organization into the second to the top slot in the organization's hierarchy. Thus, the church must find something of value in worldly music.

I can fully understand Bishop Simon being frustrated by people making millions of dollars while using his material and then thumbing their nose at him. But if that's the case, he should just say so, and stop trying to use his collar to drag God into what is essentially a personal and legal matter. The congregation of his church looks up to him and have vested in him a solemn trust, so he shouldn't be abusing that trust by trying to make the very God that they worship his private lap dog, utilized to address his personal issues. That's the kind of thinking that led to hundreds of thousands of people dying in Iraq, and what the facts seem to suggests, to a much lesser degree, but just as insidiously, is happen in this case.

That's the primary reason this issue is even worth our attention. It provides us with a bite size example of the mindset and kind of rhetoric in which people of faith should always remain vigilant. It clearly demonstrates how some so-called "men of God" often use the Lord's name to promote their own interests. It also shows why the many selfless men and women of God who are out struggling everyday to uphold his name, are gradually beginning to lose credibility with the public.

In addition, Bishop Simon's actions in this matter are in direct contradiction to everything a man of God, and a Christian, is supposed to believe. Instead of trying to chase down record executives, why doesn't he do what they always tell their flock do about their problems-"take it to the Lord in prayer?"

Even though in many of the churches throughout America there are children sitting in the pews next to their parents with their stomachs growling, many of these professed men of God will unhesitatingly take the very funds needed to feed those children away from the family in the collection plate. Then, when it comes to the families needs, they tell the family to have faith, and pray to God for help to feed their children. What has always perplexed me, however, is when the preacher needs money to pay the church's light bill, or for airfare and hotel expenses to fly across the country to go preach in another state, to "spread the word"-in states that are already literally overflowing with preachers-they don't pray for God to provide the airfare, or pay the light bill, they pass the collection plate.

Well, Bishop Simon, you're a man of God. Maybe it's about time to test your faith. Instead of wasting your time trying to chase down Jay-Z with your problems, maybe you should look to Jay-C, and pray on it.

As Rev. E. V. Hill used to say when I was a kid-"If you have the faith, God has the power"-but you also have to be right.

Eric L. Wattree
wattree.blogspot.com
A moderate is one who embraces truth over ideology, and reason over conflict. 


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We psychologists are very careful about conflicts of interest. It seems that part of the problem here lies in conflicts of interest being being a pastor and being a musician (with copyrights he wants to protect). But another conflict of interest lies with the larger church of which he is a part - placing him in a leadership role, while he is also in this secular role as a musician.

Often, simply teasing out the various roles we perform and then deciding to let go of one of them or to pursue certain "higher" responsibilities helps to resolve ethical conflicts.

I agree with you, Eric, that he has duties to his congregation. Sometimes such fiduciary duties are so overriding that we, as professionals, must forgo what might be our own "selfish concerns" in order to pursue a higher, a more pressing duty.

Our modern business/consumer culture often obscure moral issues and ethical duties. Thus, I think your post is both timely and profound. These same "conflict of interest" issues can be seen in all areas of our life, civic, personal, professional, economic, political, and yes, even religious.

Thank you for laying this out so well!

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Eric, apology, this is a 2 or 3 year old troll, I've used many times on racists, but it seems to fit, and I cannot resist.

Maybe Bishop Simon should Go To Church in Compton

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For some reason PCA's videos remind me of a couple who used to live sort of behind us (we're on corner). Anyway, they were bigots. And they were also so nosy. And these people wanted to control everything people did, how their backyards looked, you name it. (They called the city because I had "too many bird feeders." They called the city on neighbors who did their own addition to their house - making hammering noises and so on across the street on weekends. You get the picture.)

Now we have a strange house, where the garage faces the back yard. So you drive up a narrow driveway to this very large concrete area between our garage and their back yard. And sometimes I would have this fantasy. Of installing a basket ball hoop. And inviting a black basketball team to practice in our backyard on that concrete - right next to their back yard. Never did it. But the fantasy gave me great joy every time I had it!

Apologies for sort of being off-topic, Eric. But I just had to share that! (At times I came so close to searching for that team! Or even just a group of young men willing to play basketball in our yard.) When the "For Sale" sign went up on their yard, I couldn't believe it! For days, I would check every day - to make sure it was still there....

Stream of consciousness here. Stimulated by PCA. (I guess, based on how PCA describes his videos, I was having troll fantasies...)

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TheraP, NWA's "Straight Outta Compton", released in 1988, was the song that caused me to realise that Rap was real expression, and had a chance to be a positive force if channeled properly. In 1988 massive sections of LA had been devastated by The Reagancomdey, with its opening up avenues for a massive new supply of cocaine to flood into the US as a covert means to fund the evil business down in Latin America. The increase in supply, naturally greatly decreased costs, and suddenly cocaine was no longer predominately a rich man's drug. The timing for this created even more devastation, because the knowledge for cooking cocaine into crack hit the streets at the same time. Concurrently, entities involved with the trafficking had vast amounts of cash that needed laundering, and a good deal of this was used to go on a real estate spending spree in LA, which inflated property costs, and added to the creeping blight. "Straight Outta Compton", struck me as being more political than gangsta at that time, and I hoped that the message would serve to scare some sense into America. Sadly, it didn't.

One of the members in NWA was Ice Cube, who released the other linked song, "Go To Church". I do not believe the message is positive. It is instead Gangsta bravado, although the chorus is slightly amusing. The music and beat is very good, and in that respect is decent art. I've seen interviews with Ice Cube. It's not my place to judge, even more so, because I've never even been close to being in his shoes. He doesn't strike me as an overly hateful human being though. However, it saddens me greatly, that what I perceived as a possible positive force in NWA, seems to have vanished in much of his work since then.

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I can almost never get lyrics. Signal/noise problem. I hear the music, the beat - but can't distinguish words from it. Hearing disorder. So I wouldn't know if the rap was dangerous or not! From one rapper to the next! I just think of kids as having to have "something" that threatens grown-ups and either keeps them away or makes them mad for no good reason. Rap, it seems to me, has been something many people felt they could easily do. They could easily make up rhymes. It exposes people to poetry. To a different way of talking. Yes, I realize some rappers (so they tell me) write nasty things and so on, but again - I can never distinguish it. Which is funny. Cuz it can't upset me! Except maybe for the noise quality.

I bet teenagers have been coming up with things that created "their own world" since there were teenagers. There's a hopefulness about that age. Even if it's an age that tries parental souls.

More stream of consciousness.

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Well said, Eric.

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Mr. Eric L. Wattree:
It is obvious from your opening statement (the profanity and all) that you have issues with character so I will not expect to get to much rational dialog from you. I was a bit surprised that you claim to make an “honest search for truth” when it seem you haven’t even made an honest attempt to dialog with the primary source before you shot off your “BTS” (BENEATH THE SPIN) . Rather than assume the worst it is proper to give the benefit of doubt to Brother Simon. But because of apparent prior bias you did not seem capable of this. You state:

" That seems somewhat disingenuous since one would think that any misunderstanding within the church could easily be cleared up with a simple memo or statement.”

And just what memo or statement do you feel would reach the number or people and churches that have heard the songs and are convinced that Joe Simon is still singing secular music? We are not talking about a simple local incident here. You then state:

“The article also points out that "Since near the beginning of the year, Simon said he has sent the record company a series of letters asking that someone talk to him and to work out an agreement." What kind of agreement? You can't un-cook an egg. What kind of 'agreement,' could he come to with the record companies that would un-release music that's already on the market? The only agreement that he can possibly come to is a financial one–and how would a financial agreement help his standing in the church any more than a simple memo or statement that his previous material was being used without his permission?”

It is surprising that you are so sure that you have exhausted the possible “kinds of agreement” that could be worked out at a meeting. Are you so arrogant that you feel you know all the possibilities without asking the source? Please understand I am not calling you arrogant, I am asking if you are, since it would be a demonstration of arrogance to assume that one knows what one could not possibly know.
It is obvious that your obsession has blurred your intellectual vision on this matter. You then state:

“This is not about his ministry–what needs to be addressed is whether or not this is actually his material. If Simon has legal ownership of the material, why is he trying to chase down record executives instead of hiring an attorney? The obvious conclusion is, he's trying to use God to be compensated for something that he has no legal right to.”

It is obvious that you have not made any meaningful attempts at researching the story before you shot off your “BTS” it doesn’t even seem like you waited to hear more reports on the story. Had you waited a little longer you would have had the opportunity to hear Bishop Simon comment on questions that you pose for someone else who at lease gave him the opportunity to address the question himself. But hearing his side was not your concern was it? There seems to be something more to your attack on Bishop Simon, perhaps your distain for clergy? It is not uncommon for some people to place all clergy in the same class as jack-leg preachers, ecclesiastical pimps and soul hustlers and feel justified in doing so. That’s sad but I digress.
More to the point, Bishop Simon has been on radio discussing his concerns and I personally heard him on a 3hour radio program in which he made it clear that he (as many music legends), did not own his master nor was he addressing monetary compensation in his statements. That does not give those who possess them the moral right to misuse them in a manner that will misrepresent what he now is with out protest. Anyone with a since of decency and respect for God and the Church could understand the issue here. He also made it clear that out of respect for Jay-z he would not presume to give details about what kind of “agreement” they would discuss. Since you seem to be more interested in perpetuating slander against Bishop Simon I don’t think trying to get you to see another side to this would be time well spent. So my comments are not as much for you as for the readers so that they will at least not be totally blindsided by your unwarranted attack. Perhaps one day when God deals with your heart and heals you of your bitterness you will be able to see more clearly. You have my prayers in this hope. You then state:

“ article goes on to point out that "In the wake of more and more folks hearing his voice on rap records, Bishop Simon said some folks seem to be shying away from supporting the ministry financially." Yet, Dr. Mark H. Sandilands, the presiding Bishop of the Mission Consortium of Churches International indicated that "When Bishop Simon was ordained as a part of this organization, he was placed right next to me. If something were to happened to me, he becomes presiding bishop overnight."
Oh really? I find it quite curious that a religious organization that is so disdainful of "worldly music" that it would withdraw support and speaking engagements, would place a "worldly musician" who is newly ordained into the organization into the second to the top slot in the organization's hierarchy. Thus, the church must find something of value in worldly music.”

It is clear that you have your intellectual wires crossed on this comment, nowhere was it stated to my knowledge that the Missions Consortium of Churches international “withdraw support and speaking engagements” nor do I recall them expressing “Disdain” for worldly music. And to say that they “placed a worldly musician” to the second to the top slot in the organization’s hierarchy” is a clear indication that you are clueless. The man they placed as second to the top was and is a Christian minister; a “Former worldly musician” there is a difference though I doubt that you are interested on knowing what it is. You then state:
I can fully understand Bishop Simon being frustrated by people making millions of dollars while using his material and then thumbing their nose at him. But if that's the case, he should just say so, and stop trying to use his collar to drag God into what is essentially a personal and legal matter. The congregation of his church looks up to him and have vested in him a solemn trust, so he shouldn't be abusing that trust by trying to make the very God that they worship his private lap dog, utilized to address his personal issues. That's the kind of thinking that led to hundreds of thousands of people dying in Iraq, and what the facts seem to suggests, to a much lesser degree, but just as insidiously, is happen in this case.

Here you betray your lack of understanding and your bias, not only about Bishop Joe Simon but about God and the Bible. Which is why I am so amazed that you can later attempt to comment on “Selfless men and women of God”.
Bishop Simon is well within his rights to voice his concerns about what his music is being used to represent and how it reflect on him as a minister. Your slant on the story betrays your bias and lack of consideration for what he is trying to accomplish. To say that he is “dragging God into a personal and legal matter” shows your ignorance of how God is related to his servant. When you abuse God’s servant you have involved God. And true men of God involve God in everything they do. The church, which you seem to have little knowledge of, also supports their minister and when you abuse the minister you have insulted the church. Therefore this is not an abuse of the church as you spin it. And to compare what Bishop Simon is trying to do with what is going on in Iraq is not only irresponsible but it is also unintelligent. You then state:

“That's the primary reason this issue is even worth our attention. It provides us with a bite size example of the mindset and kind of rhetoric in which people of faith should always remain vigilant. It clearly demonstrates how some so-called "men of God" often use the Lord's name to promote their own interests. It also shows why the many selfless men and women of God who are out struggling everyday to uphold his name, are gradually beginning to lose credibility with the public.”

The lack of credibility of people of God is due in part to propaganda such as you are putting out as well as the publicizing and polarizing of poor examples of Christians and false Christians to in effect destroy the credibility of the True Christian church. What else is new? Your analysis is wrong, your arguments flawed and your bias obvious. It would be nice if you would come clean and be “Honest” about your convictions about the Christian faith. Let us know where you really stand so we can understand the real reason behind your attack on Bishop Simon who has done nothing to you to deserve such an assault. You then state:

“In addition, Bishop Simon's actions in this matter are in direct contradiction to everything a man of God, and a Christian, is supposed to believe. Instead of trying to chase down record executives, why doesn't he do what they always tell their flock do about their problems–"take it to the Lord in prayer?"”

Again I am amazed at your attempt tell us what a man of God and Christian is supposed to be. Just what Scripture in the Bible forbids a man of God from publicly calling people to task about an unrighteous issue? As a Bible teacher I am use to dealing with people like yourself who mis-applying and mis-interpreting the Bible so I don’t expect an accurate answer from you. But I would be interested in just where you feel you get the Biblical authority to condemn Bishop Simon for his announcement. And for the record, Bishop Simon has asked and does have people “praying about this matter” including me. Finally you state:

“Even though in many of the churches throughout America there are children sitting in the pews next to their parents with their stomachs growling, many of these professed men of God will unhesitatingly take the very funds needed to feed those children away from the family in the collection plate. Then, when it comes to the families needs, they tell the family to have faith, and pray to God for help to feed their children. What has always perplexed me, however, is when the preacher needs money to pay the church's light bill, or for airfare and hotel expenses to fly across the country to go preach in another state, to "spread the word"–in states that are already literally overflowing with preachers–they don't pray for God to provide the airfare, or pay the light bill, they pass the collection plate.”

As I suspected, here you expose your bias, for some reason you feel the need to put Bishop Simon in the same category as the preachers you describe and you don’t even know Bishop Simon. Why? Don’t you have the ability to deal with people on an individual bases? Should all writers be judged by your poor attitude? I think not. It is fortunate that there are people who do get the importance of Bishop Simon standing up for his integrity as a minister and for what the Church is concerned about. The manner that some (not all) Rap artist has degraded women in general and Black women in particular is common knowledge. Their disrespect for people is notorious. I applaud Bishop Joe Simon for his stand and I pray that he will get the support he need to bring more attention the Rap industries need to be made accountable for what they do to harm people. Every little bit helps in some way to fight back at the degradation that exist in the Hip-Hop industry and bring to the light the good Rap artist who have decent messages and are trying to be heard.
Mr. Wattree; you seem to be a moderate who embraces ideology over truth and conflict over reason.
Danmonk

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Eric L. Wattree is a writer, poet, and musician, born in Los Angeles. He’s a columnist for The Los Angeles Sentinel and The Black Star News. He’s also the author of A Message From the Hood, and a contributing writer to Your Black World, and The Huffington Post.

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