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When it comes to defending Israel, even the mainstream Left is right wing
To see so many otherwise seemingly reasonable people here at a mainstream Left site supporting what Israel is doing now, squabbling over tactics at most, is sickening. Josh himself, has no comment other than to note, "Israeli troops enter Gaza." Ho-hum.
Really, folks, what do you think the solution is for those pesky Palestinians Israel long ago decided to lord over?
A one-state solution will never fly, as that would upset the carefully constructed Jewish demographic majority and give lie to the "only democracy in the middle east" bullshit. It would be the end of the "Jewish state" established by force many decades ago, although if Israelis ceded their dominant power gracefully they might still have a place in a truly democratic Israel (or whatever that country might be called). At any rate, to even write such things is heresy, so the likelihood of that happening in the foreseeable future is next to nil.
Keeping the Palestinians in the stone ages ain't doin' it, although that seems to be the preferred method, whereby Palestinian hostility, no matter how asymmetric to Israeli power, is used as justification for perpetuating Palestinian suffering and squalor. "It's all the Palestinians fault and the Israelis are only doing what they have to," blah, blah, blah. It's like blaming the victim for being angry about the things the clearly dominant party has unjustly done to them. It's contrary to everything the Left, as I understand it, is supposed to believe in. Really. When a slave burns down the master's barnhouse, who carries the largest responsibility, the slave or the slavemaster? When it comes to Israel, and only Israel, I think many supposed Leftists have lost their minds and their bearings. Suddenly, in contravention of every Left value I know the oppressed are blamed for their situation. Suddenly, we, the Left, are all Afrikaners and we blindly accept that the proper response is to try to whip the barn-burning out of the slave.
Call me a pessimist, but I believe that most Israelis, and many if not most of its supporters here and abroad, do not really want a one-state, or even a two-state, solution, if they really look within themselves and be honest -- or they would toe a tougher line with Israel and stop acting as apologists for its offensive actions. Maintaining the status quo of Palestinian apartheid indefinitely seems to be the preferred third way. If it's not, then prove me wrong and clearly stand up to this gross power imbalance. Or just keep rationalizing the situation and effectively do nothing to change it.
Until I see so-called Leftists taking a harder stance against such asymmetric horrors, all I hear is so much yapping, and things like we are seeing now will continue for generations more. Cynically, I would have to assume that's okay with you.
Really, folks, what do you think the solution is for those pesky Palestinians Israel long ago decided to lord over?
A one-state solution will never fly, as that would upset the carefully constructed Jewish demographic majority and give lie to the "only democracy in the middle east" bullshit. It would be the end of the "Jewish state" established by force many decades ago, although if Israelis ceded their dominant power gracefully they might still have a place in a truly democratic Israel (or whatever that country might be called). At any rate, to even write such things is heresy, so the likelihood of that happening in the foreseeable future is next to nil.
Keeping the Palestinians in the stone ages ain't doin' it, although that seems to be the preferred method, whereby Palestinian hostility, no matter how asymmetric to Israeli power, is used as justification for perpetuating Palestinian suffering and squalor. "It's all the Palestinians fault and the Israelis are only doing what they have to," blah, blah, blah. It's like blaming the victim for being angry about the things the clearly dominant party has unjustly done to them. It's contrary to everything the Left, as I understand it, is supposed to believe in. Really. When a slave burns down the master's barnhouse, who carries the largest responsibility, the slave or the slavemaster? When it comes to Israel, and only Israel, I think many supposed Leftists have lost their minds and their bearings. Suddenly, in contravention of every Left value I know the oppressed are blamed for their situation. Suddenly, we, the Left, are all Afrikaners and we blindly accept that the proper response is to try to whip the barn-burning out of the slave.
Call me a pessimist, but I believe that most Israelis, and many if not most of its supporters here and abroad, do not really want a one-state, or even a two-state, solution, if they really look within themselves and be honest -- or they would toe a tougher line with Israel and stop acting as apologists for its offensive actions. Maintaining the status quo of Palestinian apartheid indefinitely seems to be the preferred third way. If it's not, then prove me wrong and clearly stand up to this gross power imbalance. Or just keep rationalizing the situation and effectively do nothing to change it.
Until I see so-called Leftists taking a harder stance against such asymmetric horrors, all I hear is so much yapping, and things like we are seeing now will continue for generations more. Cynically, I would have to assume that's okay with you.
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I am not sure who you are railing against. There are more than a few posts on this issue right now, right here.
I have not seen one post that is pushing to keep the Palestinians in the Stone Age.
The right wing is pushing for Israeli supremacy.
My Israel, right or wrong.
Not me.
January 3, 2009 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought I was clear enough. I named the usually profligate Josh Marshall for his lack of comment on the new ground war. I'll add M.J. Rosenberg to the list when he writes about Israel having the "right" to respond aggressively to Palestinian hostilities. I can go on if you need me to...
In short, I believe each and every discussion of this current "war" (if such overwhelmingly one-sided things can be called such) and talk of long-term solutions must be clear about who is the dominant/oppressive party in the equation and who is not. Not in a mean-spirited way, but simply matter of fact. To discuss Israeli tactics now is to miss the big picture. There is a gross inequality that has been continuing for over 40 years now. That is the one true issue that requires our attention, especially those of us on the Left who supposedly care about things like equality and oppression. Do we fight to end slavery or quibble about how many lashes to give the slave who acts out?
Unless the Left stands up and affirmatively acts to divest or take some other solid measure, it is in effect acquiescing to an indefinite Palestinian stone age.
In all things war, we are generally anti-war. In abuses of state power, are anti-state. In regard to oppressed peoples, we are pro-equality. And then with Israel, something goes askew in the Left's mind... Regarding war against the historically oppressed, we are pro-state, pro-military, and pro-oppression.
If you are down for divestment, or some tangible response to these latest assaults, then let's get going and stand up to the equivocators in our midst. That's where I think we need to start.
January 3, 2009 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
the usually profligate Josh Marshall
I know that as a proflific commentator Josh is perhaps open to criticism when he shuns a topic, but I don't really see how his *spending habits are any of our business.
Maybe Josh is rich, and he can afford all those purchases.
*BTW, how exactly is it that you are privy to Josh's spending habits? I smell (term used advisedly...) a garbagologist (garbologist??) at work.
Tell me, is Josh's refuse replete with Niemann Marcus charge slips?--enquiring minds want to know...
January 3, 2009 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
okay, fair enough. shoulda stopped by dictionary.com before firing off that comment. you knew what I meant, anyway, right? ;-)
January 3, 2009 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
you knew what I meant
ditto.
January 3, 2009 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Palestinian apartheid
The reality that *dare not speak it's name, as it were.
If we do nothing else, (and apparently we will do nothing....) let us at least divest. We know how to do that, and it did work once before.
*Pace Jimmy Carter.
January 3, 2009 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good post. The silence around here is creepy.
January 4, 2009 3:47 AM | Reply | Permalink