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Huge scandal breaks out on Guantanamo torture. Top story in most UK papers
Crossposted in Democratic Underground.
Two High Court judges in the UK are stating that evidence exists that the CIA not only tortured Binyam Mohamed (accused of planning to plant a dirty bomb with Jose Padilla), but that the White House threatened UK's government, by warning it not to disclose what had happened to Mohamed, or else...the UK would be "at risk" of an attack, meaning the US would withdraw their intelligence assistance against terror.
Top story now in The Guardian, Telegraph and BBC. Well now it dropped from BBC but it was the topmost stories just a few minutes ago.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/04/guantanamo-bay-torture
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7870049.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/majornews/4517343/Torture-row-Judges-accuse-US-of-cover-up.html
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Looks like they have located Pandora's Box.
What's next?
February 4, 2009 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Notice the title: Ministers Face Torture Pressure
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7870049.stm
February 4, 2009 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
A call for justice - again:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/therap/2009/02/in-the-service-of-justice.php
February 5, 2009 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for this post. The BBC version seems to be whitewashed. TPM's headline "U.S. Gov't Thanks UK For Secrecy After Torture Case Accusations" somehow dampens the gravity of the situation, though perhaps not intentionally.
February 4, 2009 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Last 2 paragraphs of the Independent article:
This does not look like something that's going to go away....
February 4, 2009 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't think the Plame affair was going to go away.
But
It did.
February 4, 2009 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was in the US. This is England!
February 4, 2009 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
bwak - I'm thinking some of the difference can be seen when comparing page A6 of the NY Times with Front Page and Large Headlines in the UK papers on torture evidence. If England had had a stake in the Plame affair, we might have had a different result over here.
But
They Didn't.
February 5, 2009 3:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Amen, seashell.
February 5, 2009 8:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not likely.
And note that it ws the Bush criminal enterprise who did the blackmail.
President Obama will have to address this.
February 5, 2009 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Guardian Editorial:
can be read in its entirety here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/04/guantanamo-torture
February 4, 2009 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
what about American media coverage???
February 4, 2009 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
An article on the issue will appear on page A6 in the print edition of the New York Time tomorrow, which is already online here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/world/europe/05london.html?_r=1
Apparently, the NY Times was part of those who sue d to disclosed some redacted paragraphs from documents related to this issue.
February 4, 2009 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
IMO, this is the kind of news that could break this torture issue wide open on an international level
Why so few comments on TPM?
February 4, 2009 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am wondering the same thing, tpmgary.
Apparently Andrew Sullivan has mentioned this. And Glenn Greenwald. And there's some commentary on the latest emptywheel thread tonight.
February 4, 2009 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
This reminds me...
Britain arrested Pinochet...
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
February 4, 2009 11:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Justice cries out: She must be served!
February 4, 2009 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, Bush will probabaly never leave the US. Or Texas, for that matter.
And it doesn't look like Cheney is physically able to get on a plane. His heart would blow up like an overfilled water ballon if he spent eight hours on an overseas flight.
February 5, 2009 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
"his heart would blow up like an ...."
And sooooo?
Blow away buddy, blow away.
bye bye!
I am home sick and am getting ready to nap. I'll think about Bush et al on a plane to England and drift happily off. I hope the kaboom doesn't wake me!
February 5, 2009 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keep up the good Truthfinding.
February 4, 2009 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
From Andrew Sullivan:
Here:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/02/a-question-of-t.html
February 4, 2009 11:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look what the British Court had to say:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aLo8robcnBo/SYo7gn5nNRI/AAAAAAAAACY/GP8HhaPthd0/s1600-h/court.png
You have to read the two paragraphs in that link!
February 5, 2009 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not very encouraging news coming out of this Raw Story article, which quotes an Obama administration spokesman as saying ""The United States thanks the UK government for its continued commitment to protect sensitive national security information and preserve the long-standing intelligence sharing relationship that enables both countries to protect their citizens," (my emphasis)
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/ACLU_Hope_flickering_on_torture_after_0204.html
Meanwhile, the ACLU is asking Hillary Clinton to clarify what the US administration's position is at this point (from the Raw Story article:
February 5, 2009 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
The claim by the Raw Story is corroborated by the ACLU, which has posted the following piece entitled "Obama Endorses Bush Secrecy On Torture And Rendition", and saying: the Obama administration told the BBC today in a written statement: "The United States thanks the UK government for its continued commitment to protect sensitive national security information and preserve the long-standing intelligence sharing relationship that enables both countries to protect their citizens."
ACLU has also written a letter to Hillary Clinton urging her to clarify the administration's position at this point.
February 5, 2009 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
that generic statement " the U.S. thanks the U.K. for its continued commitment..." is frighteningly reminiscent of the Bush administration. Was this from the State Department?
This story is teeming with obfuscation.
February 5, 2009 7:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a disgraceful band of criminals the Bush regime was. Investigate and then prosecute to the fullest extent of the law based on the evidence found in the investigations.
February 5, 2009 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Having just finished the article in the UK Independent, I came here and found this blog already going.
The Financial Times adds one other little piece that wan not much mentioned in the other articles. A lawyer told the UK Court that the US position on releasing the evidence has not changed under Obama. It also notes the consequences faced by each country. For the US the worst is political embarrassment (according to the article), while the UK is subject to the International Criminal Court.
Can we all imagine the absolute screaming and self-righteous bullshit that would be spewing forth from the right wing if the UK tried to tell US courts what they could and could not release? OMG, hell hath no fury like conservatives afraid of world domination.
Let's take a moment to reflect on what their position will be when it is the US threatening retaliation and dictating to the UK courts. OK - time's up.
February 5, 2009 3:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
If these stories pan out, this is good news (not that torture or blackmail occurred, that it is coming out finally). I'm a bit skeptical and suspect from looking at two articles that they are being made out to be more than they are.
The US asked Britain to not release certain details. Until we know just what details we're speculating as to the import. Some redactions are legit, some aren't.
The UK court formed some kind of opinion re torture, but at least one article leaves it kinda wide open.
"An unprecedented high court ruling yesterday blamed the US, with British connivance, for keeping the "powerful evidence" secret,"
'Powerful evidence' is completely ambiguous.
"there had been no threat by the US to break off intelligence co-operation"
So no blackmail?
What I see is a UK cover-up since "None of the contents at issue could possibly be described as sensitive US intelligence". It is not clear that this is under threat from the US, or even currently solicited by the US. You have to read the State Dept's brevity carefully.
"In their ruling, the British judges disclosed that the secret documents “gave rise to an arguable case of torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment”. They also disclosed that British intelligence officials were present when Mr Mohamed alleges he was tortured."
Allegations of torture are not evidence of torture.
February 5, 2009 4:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, David Miliband in his role as foreign secretary for the UK, is the one who admitted to the High Court that there is an arguable case for torture. He is also the one opposing the release of the evidence because US officials at the “highest levels” threatened to hold back intelligence, causing “serious damage to national security”. [Financial Times, 2/4/09]
So we have High Courts, a foreign secretary, the highest levels of US officials, the FT, a recent admission of US torture in Gitmo and the US thanking a foreign country for keeping evidence secret all coming to a head in this story.
And "[a]llegations of torture are not evidence of torture" is the best you can come up with?
Cheney's favorite line when listing reasons for invading Iraq used to be: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
Except it was evidence of absence. Oops.
February 5, 2009 7:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
It suffices, and that's "the best" needed.
February 5, 2009 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama will try to avoid his hand being forced. We'll see how it develops. Ball is in their court, so to speak.
February 5, 2009 4:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for bringing this here, T77. I read the Guardian daily (after living there for years) and find it worthwhile (as is the Beeb) just to help break the bubble we're in, here in North America. Cheers.
February 5, 2009 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
WWMID? Raise hell!
Good blog, Andrew.
February 5, 2009 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/05/miliband_torture/
Miliband refuses to release torture documents - Weasel words from weasel
...
The US gives the UK selected pieces of its intelligence findings in exchange, amongst other things, for a permanent US seat on the UK's Joint Intelligence Committee. The supposed exchange is really hopelessly in favour of the US with its enormous intel gathering infrastructure compared to the UK's.
Miliband told the House of Commons today that the US had made no threat to end this exchange of intelligence. Or at least he sort of said that.
Miliband told the House: "For the record, the United States authorities did not threaten to 'break off' intelligence cooperation with the UK. What the United States said, and it appears in the open, public documents of this case, is that the disclosure of these documents by order of our Courts would be 'likely to result in serious damage to US national security and could harm existing intelligence information-sharing between our two governments'." Clear? Serious damage is not the same as "break off".
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February 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is this story finished then? Was it successfully obscured or is there something larger at play that will inevitably drive it to the forefront until properly dealt with?
February 5, 2009 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink