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Huge scandal breaks out on Guantanamo torture. Top story in most UK papers


Crossposted in Democratic Underground.

Two High Court judges in the UK are stating that evidence exists that the CIA not only tortured Binyam Mohamed (accused of planning to plant a dirty bomb with Jose Padilla), but that the White House threatened UK's government, by warning it not to disclose what had happened to Mohamed, or else...the UK would be "at risk" of an attack, meaning the US would withdraw their intelligence assistance against terror. Top story now in The Guardian, Telegraph and BBC. Well now it dropped from BBC but it was the topmost stories just a few minutes ago. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/04/guantanamo-bay-torture http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7870049.stm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/majornews/4517343/Torture-row-Judges-accuse-US-of-cover-up.html

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Looks like they have located Pandora's Box.

What's next?

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Notice the title: Ministers Face Torture Pressure

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7870049.stm

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thanks for this post. The BBC version seems to be whitewashed. TPM's headline "U.S. Gov't Thanks UK For Secrecy After Torture Case Accusations" somehow dampens the gravity of the situation, though perhaps not intentionally.

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Last 2 paragraphs of the Independent article:

Nick Clegg, the Liberal Democrat leader, said: “There is no other term for what the US intelligence services are doing than blackmail. If British ministers were complicit in any way in the use of torture, or helped the US authorities to cover it up, they could face consequences in the International Criminal Court. The seriousness of these allegations cannot be overstated.”

Clive Stafford-Smith, a lawyer who represents dozens of Guantánamo detainees, said: “For the Foreign Secretary to give in to these illegal demands by the Bush administration is capitulation to blackmail, pure and simple.”

[my bold and italics]


This does not look like something that's going to go away....

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I didn't think the Plame affair was going to go away.
But
It did.

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That was in the US. This is England!

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bwak - I'm thinking some of the difference can be seen when comparing page A6 of the NY Times with Front Page and Large Headlines in the UK papers on torture evidence. If England had had a stake in the Plame affair, we might have had a different result over here.

But
They Didn't.

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Amen, seashell.

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Not likely.

And note that it ws the Bush criminal enterprise who did the blackmail.

President Obama will have to address this.

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Guardian Editorial:

The darkness of secrecy

A covert system of torture has been the source of great evils.

Publicity is the necessary cure

can be read in its entirety here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/04/guantanamo-torture

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what about American media coverage???

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An article on the issue will appear on page A6 in the print edition of the New York Time tomorrow, which is already online here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/world/europe/05london.html?_r=1

Apparently, the NY Times was part of those who sue d to disclosed some redacted paragraphs from documents related to this issue.

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IMO, this is the kind of news that could break this torture issue wide open on an international level

Why so few comments on TPM?

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I am wondering the same thing, tpmgary.

Apparently Andrew Sullivan has mentioned this. And Glenn Greenwald. And there's some commentary on the latest emptywheel thread tonight.

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This reminds me...

Britain arrested Pinochet...

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

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Justice cries out: She must be served!

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Unfortunately, Bush will probabaly never leave the US. Or Texas, for that matter.

And it doesn't look like Cheney is physically able to get on a plane. His heart would blow up like an overfilled water ballon if he spent eight hours on an overseas flight.

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"his heart would blow up like an ...."
And sooooo?

Blow away buddy, blow away.
bye bye!

I am home sick and am getting ready to nap. I'll think about Bush et al on a plane to England and drift happily off. I hope the kaboom doesn't wake me!

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Keep up the good Truthfinding.

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From Andrew Sullivan:

Torture is a cancer. It spreads through the legal system until it destroys the integrity of all of it. It will also destroy alliances if allowed to spread. The scale of that destruction has yet to be measured or understood. Obama has now drawn a line under it. But that is only the start of a process of recovery.

Here:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/02/a-question-of-t.html

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Look what the British Court had to say:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aLo8robcnBo/SYo7gn5nNRI/AAAAAAAAACY/GP8HhaPthd0/s1600-h/court.png

You have to read the two paragraphs in that link!

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Not very encouraging news coming out of this Raw Story article, which quotes an Obama administration spokesman as saying ""The United States thanks the UK government for its continued commitment to protect sensitive national security information and preserve the long-standing intelligence sharing relationship that enables both countries to protect their citizens," (my emphasis)

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/ACLU_Hope_flickering_on_torture_after_0204.html

Meanwhile, the ACLU is asking Hillary Clinton to clarify what the US administration's position is at this point (from the Raw Story article:

The American Civil Liberties Union strongly urges you to clarify the position of the United States on the publication of the full judgment in a lawsuit brought by a Guantanamo detainee, Binyam Mohamed, in a British court. Earlier today, the High Court in Great Britain published a judgment denying publication of its report detailing allegations of torture. The High Court stated that the United States had threatened that full publication of the court's judgment would jeopardize intelligence cooperation between the two countries. Remarkably, the court reported that the British government claimed the U.S. position had not changed, despite the inauguration of President Barack Obama. We urgently request that you clarify the position of the United States in this matter.
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The claim by the Raw Story is corroborated by the ACLU, which has posted the following piece entitled "Obama Endorses Bush Secrecy On Torture And Rendition", and saying: the Obama administration told the BBC today in a written statement: "The United States thanks the UK government for its continued commitment to protect sensitive national security information and preserve the long-standing intelligence sharing relationship that enables both countries to protect their citizens."

ACLU has also written a letter to Hillary Clinton urging her to clarify the administration's position at this point.

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that generic statement " the U.S. thanks the U.K. for its continued commitment..." is frighteningly reminiscent of the Bush administration. Was this from the State Department?

This story is teeming with obfuscation.

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What a disgraceful band of criminals the Bush regime was. Investigate and then prosecute to the fullest extent of the law based on the evidence found in the investigations.

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Having just finished the article in the UK Independent, I came here and found this blog already going.

The Financial Times adds one other little piece that wan not much mentioned in the other articles. A lawyer told the UK Court that the US position on releasing the evidence has not changed under Obama. It also notes the consequences faced by each country. For the US the worst is political embarrassment (according to the article), while the UK is subject to the International Criminal Court.

Can we all imagine the absolute screaming and self-righteous bullshit that would be spewing forth from the right wing if the UK tried to tell US courts what they could and could not release? OMG, hell hath no fury like conservatives afraid of world domination.

Let's take a moment to reflect on what their position will be when it is the US threatening retaliation and dictating to the UK courts. OK - time's up.


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If these stories pan out, this is good news (not that torture or blackmail occurred, that it is coming out finally). I'm a bit skeptical and suspect from looking at two articles that they are being made out to be more than they are.

The US asked Britain to not release certain details. Until we know just what details we're speculating as to the import. Some redactions are legit, some aren't.

The UK court formed some kind of opinion re torture, but at least one article leaves it kinda wide open.

"An unprecedented high court ruling yesterday blamed the US, with British connivance, for keeping the "powerful evidence" secret,"

'Powerful evidence' is completely ambiguous.

"there had been no threat by the US to break off intelligence co-operation"

So no blackmail?


What I see is a UK cover-up since "None of the contents at issue could possibly be described as sensitive US intelligence". It is not clear that this is under threat from the US, or even currently solicited by the US. You have to read the State Dept's brevity carefully.


"In their ruling, the British judges disclosed that the secret documents “gave rise to an arguable case of torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment”. They also disclosed that British intelligence officials were present when Mr Mohamed alleges he was tortured."

Allegations of torture are not evidence of torture.

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Actually, David Miliband in his role as foreign secretary for the UK, is the one who admitted to the High Court that there is an arguable case for torture. He is also the one opposing the release of the evidence because US officials at the “highest levels” threatened to hold back intelligence, causing “serious damage to national security”. [Financial Times, 2/4/09]

So we have High Courts, a foreign secretary, the highest levels of US officials, the FT, a recent admission of US torture in Gitmo and the US thanking a foreign country for keeping evidence secret all coming to a head in this story.

And "[a]llegations of torture are not evidence of torture" is the best you can come up with?

Cheney's favorite line when listing reasons for invading Iraq used to be: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Except it was evidence of absence. Oops.

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It suffices, and that's "the best" needed.

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Obama will try to avoid his hand being forced. We'll see how it develops. Ball is in their court, so to speak.

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Thanks for bringing this here, T77. I read the Guardian daily (after living there for years) and find it worthwhile (as is the Beeb) just to help break the bubble we're in, here in North America. Cheers.

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WWMID? Raise hell!

Good blog, Andrew.

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/05/miliband_torture/

Miliband refuses to release torture documents - Weasel words from weasel
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The US gives the UK selected pieces of its intelligence findings in exchange, amongst other things, for a permanent US seat on the UK's Joint Intelligence Committee. The supposed exchange is really hopelessly in favour of the US with its enormous intel gathering infrastructure compared to the UK's.

Miliband told the House of Commons today that the US had made no threat to end this exchange of intelligence. Or at least he sort of said that.

Miliband told the House: "For the record, the United States authorities did not threaten to 'break off' intelligence cooperation with the UK. What the United States said, and it appears in the open, public documents of this case, is that the disclosure of these documents by order of our Courts would be 'likely to result in serious damage to US national security and could harm existing intelligence information-sharing between our two governments'." Clear? Serious damage is not the same as "break off".
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Is this story finished then? Was it successfully obscured or is there something larger at play that will inevitably drive it to the forefront until properly dealt with?

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