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Free Bernie Madoff
Here is why I strongly oppose the prosecution of Bernie Madoff:
We must instead make it more difficult for future potential criminals to defraud Americans. Let us move forward rather than backward.
Plus we need to fix the economy.
Stop the witch-hunt.
We must instead make it more difficult for future potential criminals to defraud Americans. Let us move forward rather than backward.
Plus we need to fix the economy.
Stop the witch-hunt.
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January 12, 2009 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Free him from what? His greed?
January 12, 2009 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let us at least peruse his books first. Let us see who has aided him in the past. Let us see what forces and powers were necessary to pull off the single biggest scam in the history of the world markets?
Or, if you persist in this don't look back methodology, let us declare an amnesty for 70% of those imprisoned by the state and federal governmental units.
After all, we had to do a lot of looking back, so to speak, to convict them. Didn't we?
January 12, 2009 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah! Better yet, let's throw open the prisons and turn loose all the inmates, including gangbangers and murderers. Let Madoff be a precedent for the "past-tense defense": If a crime is more than an hour old, hey... it's all in the past. Let's move on. Your daughter was raped? Your friend was murdered by a serial killer? Chin up, spud! There's always tomorrow.
All Madoff did was bleed white a bunch of suckers to the tune of billions. Stop the dang witch-hunt, fascists!
January 12, 2009 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Um...ok? Let's just for the sake of boredom go with your suggestion. How do you intend to make it more difficult? Make more laws that future criminals will ignore? Because there are no consequences?
I can just imagine the future crooks:
"You honor, I request that my criminal client be set free. There is a legal precedent in US vs Madoff..."
I really would love to know what you are smoking/popping.
January 12, 2009 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mage, it is too difficult to argue with TS Idiot or CT or a couple of others. It is like arguing to a wall with a mechanical heart in it.
January 12, 2009 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very true DD. I love to state the obvious anyway. As for clearthinker, you know he kind of grows on you. Yeah, he is kind of dark in an Eeyore kind of way and can be very pompous (for lack of a better word) but he really is very technically intelligent and does have a lot to offer if you can get past the "I am brilliant, you are all just ignorant peons" kind of stuff. I don't think he really thinks that, I think he just comes off that way.
January 12, 2009 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh by the way, I love the "TS Idiot" nickname. LOL
January 12, 2009 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
methinks TS's tongue is firmly implanted in cheek.
January 12, 2009 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that you mention it M20, I think so too. Probably in reference to Obama's "we need to look forward" when questioned about war crimes investigations. I wish people would just let the poor guy get sworn in first. Geez.
January 12, 2009 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
TS, sounds like you listened to Talk of the Nation today. I was feeling some seriously violent feelings listening to Charles Fried make the case that history will be the judge of the Bush administration so there is no need to prosecute the war crimes.
I've been going back and forth in my mind about it because I do think there is validity in the point that we've got a lot of problems to solve and prosecutions would be a drain on our financial and emotional health as a country.
However, the argument that if we prosecute, the republicans will actively look for things to prosecute the next time they take office is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
The second stupidest thing I ever heard is Fried comparing prosecution of the Bush administration to the trumped-up prosecutions of political enemies in countries like Zimbabwe.
I still go back and forth. I want them to pay, but I also want to never hear about or from them again.
In any case, good snark.
January 12, 2009 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hoping it's snark.
Argument I hate is we can't now go after people for crimes associated with death in large quantities because some yahoos tried to catch Clinton and ended up trying to do it with him lying about sex in a lawsuit without merit.
January 12, 2009 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Y'know, given the fact that the Clinton Impeachment always seemed like a lynching simply looking for an excuse to ready the gallows, I can't but wonder sometimes if it wasn't all about making the American people sick of it all and thus provide a free ride for the criminals who would follow.
As I see it, we are not afforded a choice as to whether or not to prosecute war crimes. It is our responsibility and we must surely have the courage and will to eliminate this precedent, no? What principles will we stand for if not for Freedom and Liberty?
January 12, 2009 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. It must be done! All those who worry Obama has other things on their mind should remember, he's the "executive." It's "judicial" that can take care of this. And must! It may all percolate through years and years of investigation that we may not be privy to, but that may not mean it's not happening.
January 12, 2009 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it is snark as a few of you have guesses, inspired by an article in The Nation I read today in which the analogy is made:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/state_of_change/396090/obama_on_torture_don_t_stop_thinking_about_tomorrow?rel=hp_currently
January 12, 2009 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which means if Bernie has to pay for robbing people of money, bushco should pay for robbing us of the Rule of Law itself!
January 12, 2009 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are absolutely right TheraP. These are the same people who will argue for "law and order" when it comes to lethal injection for kid criminals or prison for any crime committed while being black.
I would argue that I feel far more threatened by the Madaoff's and bush/Cheney cabal than nearly any of the other criminal elements. To suggest we simply ignore them and "move forward" is insulting and absolutely immoral.
January 13, 2009 1:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Yes, it is snark as a few of you have guesses..."
Someday when reach that higher level of sensitivity, and taste and intelligence and discernment, I personally guesses that I will catch on more immediately, so to speak.
January 12, 2009 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, well done, dd! ROTFLOL!
January 12, 2009 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
dick, are you angry because you lacked the intelligence to perceive snark? I'd be angry too. Now how will you explain calling me an idiot? Let the spinning begin!
January 12, 2009 9:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come and get me. How do you know how I would perceive you? How would you know what is in my head?
If you are mad call me a dick head or whatever clever moniker that comes into your head.
Methinks you are the one getting angry, not me.
January 12, 2009 10:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
You admitted not to have gotten the snark, so don't be asking how I know what's in your head. You told us yourself. And when did I call you dickhead? I called you dick, short for dickhead. What did you expect me to call you? People often shorten other members' names for convenience. You called me TS and added "idiot" for example, echoing another angry poster's angry rant.
You could not match other members' ability to detect snark. And it kills you inside.
There. I came and got you.
January 12, 2009 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok. You got me. I never saw it coming.
Good for you.
And I will not call you TS Idiot anymore.
Its over.
January 12, 2009 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, Day.
January 12, 2009 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you. I really mean it. No joke.
January 12, 2009 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I know. Me too.
January 12, 2009 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
For about the 1st time ever my snark meter was working...whoooeee! There may be hope for me yet!
January 12, 2009 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder how many Repos who jumped on the Clinton impeachment bandwagon could honestly say (assuming they have an honest bone in their respective bodies) that no investigations should be done?
Or is it all just show for them?
January 13, 2009 1:28 AM | Reply | Permalink