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Most Americans Back Idea of Clinton as Secretary of State (Gallup)
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A new Gallup Poll finds a majority of Americans (57%) in favor of Barack Obama appointing Hillary Clinton as the secretary of state in his administration. Thirty percent oppose it.
79% of Democrats in favor. 12 opposed.
57% of independents in favor. 27% opposed.
28% of Republicans in favor. 61% opposed.
A new Gallup Poll finds a majority of Americans (57%) in favor of Barack Obama appointing Hillary Clinton as the secretary of state in his administration. Thirty percent oppose it.
79% of Democrats in favor. 12 opposed.
57% of independents in favor. 27% opposed.
28% of Republicans in favor. 61% opposed.
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And?
November 19, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, most here love polls and political statistics and stuff like that. I was giving you guys stats to comment on.
Why are you grouchy? I mean, I think I know, but why?
November 19, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Duly noted. I was not polled, but if I had been I would have been among that 79% of democrats in favor of the idea. I think that Clinton would make a fine SoS. So would plenty of other people, but Clinton is a fine pick.
November 20, 2008 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not grouchy just curious as to your point. I find the poll amazingly unsurprising. Dems really on the whole like her, independents like her and Republicans not so much. Even on the blogs I'm not seeing much difference. Questions as to if this is the best thing for her, questions about the Bill vetting, but on the whole fairly positive. The negatives around the blogs tend to be louder or harsher, if you will, hence the sense that there is more of it. I think it falls within the 12% margin of not so thrilled. As for me I'm fine with it.
November 19, 2008 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. I was very much against Hillary in the primaries and the executive management issue that Josh brought up is a big part of it. I wouldn't want anyone running the country the way she ran her campaign. (To be fair, she'd still have been roughly seventeen billion times better than McCain, and approximately ten to the seventeen billionth power times better than Palin.)
But like nearly everyone I know who opposed her in the primaries, it wasn't "Hillary Hatred" in spite of what some people said, and it would be stupid to hold a grudge now about things she said in the primaries. I'd be happy to see her stay in the Senate and become majority leader, or be appointed to the Supreme Court, or be in Obama's cabinet, or be Secretary General of the United Nations, etc. She'd be better than some of those than others, but it would be a pretty idiotic Democrat who didn't want to see her considerable skills and connections put to good use.
Like jsfox I'm curious about what you expected. You posted something that was very pro-Hillary the other day, and it hit the number one spot! I didn't see any anti-Hillary flak posted on it at all. There are some idiotic pundits with axes to grind (who reads Dowd anyway? and why?) but as I think someone said over on that thread, it's got to be some kind of personal vendetta thing with Dowd. It makes no sense otherwise.
Hillary will do some good things for the country, and Bill will also. I don't know where or what that will be, but it will happen and Obama is clearly willing to help make it happen. And if it's in a prominent role that makes wingnut heads explode, all the better.
November 20, 2008 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like how fair and balanced is finally being seen as unbalanced. There are opposing views to Hillary, but they are a minority. It's a very nasty, loudmouthed minority. We need to be adults and stop pampering these whiny children. They do not play well with others.
November 20, 2008 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Having an opinion against putting a senator that did not read the intelligence before granting authority to the president to go to war in Iraq, becoming our next secretary of state is 'immature' and 'whining'... wow....
November 20, 2008 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was a very active supporter of Hillary during the primaries. I believe she is a woman of action and a woman with a conscience. She truly cares about America and wants to leave a legacy. I was very upset when Obama won the Democratic primaries and crossed party lines and supported McCain. When Obama won I was crushed. After watching his interview on 60 minutes I was greatly impressed by his humility and his sense of America.
If he does make Hillary Clinton his Secretary of State, I will then believe that he plans to put America first and is not a vengeful, childish man. No one is better equipped for that job than Hillary. Her 8 years in the Whitehouse gave her a great opportunity to know foreign leaders and to know somewhat how they should be dealth with. She is a tough and intelligent woman and no one will kick her around. I believe that if Hillary joins the Obama team he will have the best team player he can have. She will not undermine him as that would only hurt her and America. No one can say that woman does not love America. Having Bill Clinton as a husband is a major plus. Whether people like it or not he is beloved by many. His decision to be completely open in the vetting process shows that he is also serious about getting behind Obama. With Obama's lack of experience the Clinton's would be a GREAT ASSETT to his team. Good move Obama. You are moving up the totem pole in my ratings. Showing some maturity in the decisions you are making. Putting America first which is very important. Thank you President Elect Obama. You have a lot to prove to 46 percent of us and this is a good start.
November 20, 2008 6:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not sure why you might think he is a vengeful, childish man in the fist place. Now onto - if he makes her SoS part of your comment. I think he has offered it to her. It is now up to her to decide to take it. If she doesn't take it I don't think it's a blot on either. Hillary just decided she could be more effective in the Senate.
November 20, 2008 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
The latest word was that she was NOT offered the position, but being vetted as a prospect. It's been suggested it was HER people who leaked this.
So what is really happening? Who knows. We'll know who SofS is when they get there. I'll be patient meanwhile.
November 20, 2008 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
This sentence could do with some editing. When I read it the first time, I though "Obama crossed party lines to support McCain?!? What is this person talking about?"
November 20, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
The ant-war crowd has becoming increasingly alarmed by the Obama cabinet picks - most except for Obama himself, voting for the resolution to go to war against Iraq....it's always easier to ask others to sacrific in the front lines; so, why doesn't a politician like Hillary, Bill and Chelsea pick up arms and go fight the good fight in Afganistan - I'm told by Obama et al that IS where the next war on terror needs to be dealt with.
.....Obama now equalling the phony Liberal and more like the "Yes, We Can" Wuss....
November 20, 2008 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
(spelled/grammar checked)
The anti-war crowd has become increasingly alarmed by the Obama cabinet picks - most except for Obama himself, voting for the resolution to go to war against Iraq....it's always easier to ask others to sacrifice in the front lines; so, why doesn't a politician like Hillary, Bill and Chelsea pick up arms and go fight the good fight in Afghanistan - I'm told by Obama et al that IS where the next war on terror needs to be dealt with.
.....Obama now equalling the phony Liberal and more like the "Yes, We Can" Wuss....
November 20, 2008 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well I don't like her as SOS at all. I think it is a BIG mistake and I hope it doesn't happen. Remember that she voted for the Iraq war and I think she would try to leverage and manipulate foreign policy.
I am still hoping for Bill Richardson as SOS. But whatever Obama decides is what will be.
November 20, 2008 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Remember that she voted for the Iraq war and I think she would try to leverage and manipulate foreign policy.
To me that makes no sense at all. First, give her some credit for not being malicious. Politically ambitious, sure, but that's not the same thing at all. Second, are we supposed to imagine that she would run a rogue department secretly to undermine Obama's agenda? I think Obama would notice that pretty quickly. Or is the idea that defiantly promoting her own rogue agenda and undermining Obama is somehow going to help her own political ambitions within the party? It really just makes no sense, even if you can't bring yourself to trust Hillary.
If she's the SoS, I'm sure she'll have her own input, but I'm also sure she'll be working within the framework of Obama's own vision.
JEP07's comments about Obama's skill at picking people and getting great work out of them are right on the mark too.
Finally, on this one particular point about Hillary supporting the war: she made that vote at a time when it would have seemed politically expedient to do so. I wouldn't read too much into it. And if she leans in a hawkish direction, why shouldn't Obama be getting hawkish input on decisions he has to make? He doesn't have to agree with everyone he works with.
November 20, 2008 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is riciculous about noting her entire response to the Iraq war was to not read the intelligence and to vote in support of givign GW Bush authority and suggesting that she may not make the best of decisions regarding our foreign policy.
As SOS she would have quite a bit of influence and there is no way that her own perceptions and agenda would not feed into this role. It would with anyone to some degree and from what she has demonstrated I don't see her as the wisest keenest person for this role.
Nothing ridiculous about it as far as I'm concerned.
November 20, 2008 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
'ridiculous'
November 20, 2008 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obama's proven against all odds tha this leadership has serious legs. He managed to win his way through a minefield of powerful, popular opponents in the primary, dodged a kitchen sink attack with grace, and beat the sleaziest campaign team the Republicans could put together.
SO please, naysayers, bad-mouthers and bitterheads, give the man credit for success, and credit that success to his ability to make the right decisions and to discern the good from the bad.
He's been blessed thus far with great leadership, and he's been right about a lot more often than any of his critics hanging out here.
I don't agree with everything he has done, especially the Lieberman chairmanship, and I was incensed enough to start a long-winded criticism to post to my favorite blogs. But after I thought about what has happened thus far, instead of ranting about my disapproval, I decided it might be wiser to wait and see if his pattern of intelligent management continues to produce the kind of good results we seen here and now.
Obama's already proven he can pick the right people with the right stuff, or he wouldn't be President-elect. Maybe we all need to trust his policy and personnel decision-making based on the fact he has been so successful against such long odds.
November 20, 2008 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, for what it's worth:
I don't like the idea of Hillary in SoS. For starters, it's the one area where she and Obama have had the largest amount of disagreements and there is nothing to suggest that Hillary is a good foot soldier.
Second, I don't like the idea of her in such an important national position for the same reason why I didn't want her as Prez nor as VP. And the same reason why I didn't want to see GWB in the White House (though there were other reasons there as well). It's all quite simple: it's simply too much concentration of power within a single family - especially when her husband is still active on the world stage.
I won't rehash the arguments I made during the primary, but suffice it to say that we should have "term limits" for this type of concentration of power which naturally leads to corruption. You can't stop corruption in general, but you can impede its progress. This has nothing to do with partisan politics or personalities... I just don't want to be living in a Roman Empire, even if Augustus is the first Emperor. The succeeding generations weren't worth it. The types of political dynasties we already have (Jesse Jackson Sr/Jr, Pelosi, Bushes, Clintons, etc.) are bad enough, we don't need to continue the trend into the highest levels of the Executive Branch.
November 20, 2008 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
"especially when her husband is still active on the world stage."
That seems quite contradictory, or at least myopic.
Shouldn't that actually count as a quality, not a fault, in terms of the SOS circle of associations?
The world LOVES the Clintons, even if some of our fellow TPMers don't. How can you suggest that being active internationally is a negative for this situation, it's like saying "we don't want that person ass quarterback because they pass the ball too well" or "we don't want that person at point guard because they handle the ball too well."
The Clintons, Bill AND Hill, already have bridges built to SOMEWHERE internationally, and people around the world respect them immensely.
Can you find a better starting point for what we need, internationally? They already have earned more goodwill from our fellow nations than Bush ever mustered through 8 years of diplomats with Texas accents.
November 20, 2008 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
(person AS quarterback)
paint my face red!
November 20, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You prove my point. The Clintons aren't representing themselves, they are supposed to be representing the country. Your point is that they are already popular elsewhere. That is not in-line with the "change" and "newness" that a new administration can bring to policy.
November 20, 2008 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
PS; Clearthinker, don't expect the Clinton "dynasty" to fade away in our lifetime, I'm betting Chelsea caught the fever this election season, and we will see her again in some political capacity.
And rightly so. She's smart and savvy and gives a great stump speech, so why shouldn't she have a chance to make her own name in the game?
And as for Jesse Jackson Jr., while I respect his Pop immensely, I think the younger may outshine the elder before it is over. Junior's managed to forge his own, much more mainstream political career.
Legacies can be good or bad. It should be neither a qualifier, nor an exclusionary factor.
We just suffered one of the worst, but still it doesn't mean we should exclude the best and the brightest just because they have or had a parent in politics.
November 20, 2008 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It impedes the rest of us from participating on a level playing field.
You wouldn't enthusiastically support nepotism hiring practices in a corporation would you?
November 20, 2008 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nepotism is bad when it means hiring someone less qualified. However, when the boss's son or daughter is genuinely more qualified because s/he learned from a pro, I don't see it as a bad thing.
Where I used to work, the son of the owner used to come in during the summers before he was even 16 to work on the network. He was really, really good at it. After he turned 16, he started doing more at the company. By the time he graduated high school and entered college it would've been very natural for him to come to work at the company. Of course, as often happens, he had other ideas and I assume is very successful somewhere else now, but it would've been a prudent business decision to bring him into the company.
Obviously, there are many counter-examples to this, but the point is that, after considering skills, being a son or daughter should be no more of an impediment than an advantage when it comes to following in their parents' footsteps. If the son or daughter has an advantage because they were able to learn more, well, life's just not fair sometimes.
November 20, 2008 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe we should support them, or not, based on the content of their character. There is a lot to be said for grooming. The Manning brothers are both great QBs because their Dad worked long and hard with them. Dubya, well, we all know where his Dad was, in Congress writing letters to his son's commanding officers on Congressional stationary reminding them whose son they had in their ranks ... when he cared to report for duty. Hillary was quickly a good Senator because of her own intelligence and her experience as an observer of her husband. It gave her an edge. Dubya observed through alcohol tinted lenses.
November 20, 2008 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting that 12% of Democrats opposed, but they are awful noisy on teh innernet, eh? Must be them cell phones they are missing again.
November 20, 2008 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or maybe there are more independents on line than you think?
November 20, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is no proof that cell phone polls were accurate than land-line phones during the elections. See pollster.com for info.
November 20, 2008 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Was being sarcastic, but perhaps you knew that. My point: just another bit of proof that reading the liberal blogosphere doesn't give one an accurate picture of the opinion of the majority self-identifying as "Democrat."
November 20, 2008 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hope you realized I agree and was also speaking with my tongue in someone's cheek.
November 20, 2008 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I keep reading all of these comments that talk about how strong she is, how much of a fighter she is, how she'll put America first, etcetcetc.
Sorry folks, but Hillary is not strong, she's not a fighter, and she absolutely does not put America first. And it isn't Bill who's the problem. It's Hillary.
One profound difference between her and Obama has impressed me from the beginning. Where he speaks of unity and calls upon Americans to work together, Hillary never misses an opportunity to sell herself. With Obama it was always "We"; with Hillary it was always "Me".
When she wanted to show how much more experienced she was than Obama, she would trot out her "resume". Only problem is that the folks who actually worked on the different negotiations she claimed to have a hand in crafting, all said the same thing--she had little or no effect.
Remember Tuzla? "I have combat experience--I got shot at." No she didn't. Yet despite repeatedly being called out she looked right at her challengers and said, "Yes, I was there and yes I got shot at". Finally she admitted that "Well, I apparently said some things that upon reflection I suppose didn't happen quite the way that I recalled them happening".
She kept whining about sexist reporting--sorry, folks but it wasn't as widespread as she and her supporters claimed. She made repeated false accusations against Obama. She took her case to the pseudo-right-wing television talk shows--essentially sleeping with the enemy. She tried every tactic--whether honest or not--to discredit Obama.
And this is the person folks want for Sec'y of State? Hell no!
The last thing we need is to see this self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, manipulative little bully in any position of authority in this or any other administration. And don't kid yourselves. The only reason she wants SoS is for the chance to trumpet her "experience" in eight years when she runs again.
To Hillary, it ain't about serving America. It's always about serving Hillary.
November 20, 2008 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some more grist for your mill:
Time and again, Hillary claimed that health care was her cause to champion and she would continue to carry on. I believe she also reiterated these points during her convention speech as well.
We see how quickly she is ready to abandon her cause (despite being in a prime position to do so in the Senate), when given an opportunity for something else.
Regardless of whatever else one thinks of Hillary, that should give a person pause. I truly believed that she wanted her legacy to about about healthcare -- but I guess there aren't enough marble statues devoted to such a cause.
November 20, 2008 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary hasn't actually given up her senate seat ... there is simply a whirlwind of media drama. The similarities between this and the VP hype are uncanny.
That said, I think she could serve as a competent (if undistinguished) Secretary of State. It would bring a cacophony of drama to the administration that would be unfortunate but not unmanageable.
Maybe Obama wants her out of the senate for the helath care debate? Hillary has set a clear goal of "universal" coverage (called "individually mandated" health coverage by some). Without getting into the debate, I think GOP support would be difficult to achieve and even many in the democratic coalition could balk (blue dogs, etc.). Maybe Obama sees putting her at state as a way to avoid a reprise of the 1990's era health reform battles?
Or maybe not. Who the hell knows.
November 20, 2008 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
CT, until we know if she chooses to take the position, if it's been officially offered, indeed, until the SoS is named, I don't really find that a fair criticism.
There's been so much gossip around this whole thing, the only thing that's clear is that none of us have a clue as to what's going on.
November 20, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
You make a valid point, but one thing is for certain: she is at least entertaining the idea because it would have been a simple matter to turn down. In quiet.
I'll also point out something I'm getting uneasy about:
Rahm Emmanual as Chief of Staff: Leaks, posturing, do I take the position, etc.
Hillary Clinton as Sec of State: Leaks, vetting issues, etc.
Tom Daschle as Sec of Health and Human services: just "happened" (despite non-public rumors for a while)
Janet Napolitano as Sec of Homeland Security: just "happened"
See the pattern? Some of the "drama" criticisms I think have some legs.
November 20, 2008 8:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did Hillary ever say Health care was the only cause worth pursuing?
November 20, 2008 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Healthcare certainly won't be her first (or even second or third) priority any longer if she is Secretary of State. In fact, she weakens her position to do anything about it by leaving the Senate where she is already perceived as a leader in this effort.
November 20, 2008 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
These poll results put all the negativity on the internet and in the media in perspective. The disconnect between the obsessive haters on the one hand, and the Democratic Party and the American people on the other, is striking. In their hysteria the Hillary haters resemble most of all the base of the Republican Party, with its obsessions so out of sync with the concerns of everyday Americans. How marvelous that President-elect Obama has proven himself to be miles beyond their kind of thinking.
November 20, 2008 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually it is the blogs that take people that don't support Hillary and claim that they are "Clinton-haters".
Interestingly, no one ever accused me of being a "McCain hater" -- despite my not supporting his positions.
November 20, 2008 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
You clearly didn't visit redstate.
November 20, 2008 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
My comment specifically referred to the Hillary haters. They can be recognized by their hysterical denunciations of Senator Clinton, which is different from simply not supporting her. For example, they claim she will intentionally undermine the Obama administration's foreign policy so that Clinton can run in 2012. They claim that she called for Obama's assassination during the primaries. These kinds of ridiculous claims reveal something more than mere opposition or lack of support.
November 20, 2008 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, rec.
November 20, 2008 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
A few months ago, polls also showed that the majority of Democrats favored Obama choosing Clinton as his running mate. So what?
Obama has been more responsive to the public than Bush, but in the end he still makes his own decisions.
November 20, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's take a trip down primary memory lane shall we?
Hillary to obliterate Iran
I especially like this little ditty. It has many of Hillary's atrocities rolled into one:
Hillary's fear mongering at its finest
We want THIS PERSON to be Secretary of State? The person who his going to have to use diplomacy?
Did we not elect Obama to get away from this BS? Hillary was right about one thing, the world does watch our elections closely. And they don't seem to suffer for primary amnesia like we are.
Hillary for SOS. That is not change we can believe in. :)
November 20, 2008 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there any reason why you did not mention the fact that Hillary said she would obliterate Iran if they nuke Israel?
November 20, 2008 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm afraid that's standard operating procedure for hate propaganda-- information presented out of context designed to provoke an emotional response.
November 20, 2008 8:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you also note that that her "if they nuke Israel" was a modification on a previous statement she made at a debate that the US will have "massive retaliation" against Iran if itattacks Israel.
No specifics...just attacks. Which is it???? Mediocre attacks from a handful of Iranian rebels? Is that what will draw massive US retaliation?
That is what she meant until anti war progressives started screaming from the rooftops.
But Hillary always has a way of testing which way the wind is blowing. That is why when the interviewer asked her to clarify the "retaliation" statement she had to specify that it would only be in extreme circumstances (nuke) but then we would "totally obliterate" them.
November 21, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is as clear as can be. She was referring to a nuclear attack. That's what a clarification is-- it makes your meaning clear. That's how talking works.
November 21, 2008 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Does anyone else find it odd that every Republican, elected or on TV, loves Hillary "war hawk" Secretary of State idea?
Republican praise is a sure way to know a decision is extremely counter to progressive values.
November 21, 2008 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, that always concerned me in the primary when Republicans were heaping praise on Obama.
November 21, 2008 8:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
That was until he started winning. Then they started praising Hillary. (In fact, both Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter stated they would vote for Clinton over McCain. Yeah, right.)
They're a bunch of rabble rousers. Their opinions don't matter whether they agree with me, or not. (By "their opinions", I mean those of the Republican pundits. Those that merely tend to vote Republican are a different story.)
November 21, 2008 8:22 AM | Reply | Permalink