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Kristol wants torturers pardoned (Don't worry, Billy)


William Kristol's wants torturers to go unpunished:

WILLIAM KRISTOL (DECEMBER 2008 ISSUE, WEEKLY STANDARD): The CIA agents who waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and the NSA officials who listened in on phone calls from Pakistan, should not have to worry about legal bills or public defamation. 

Worry not, Willie:

ASSOCIATED PRESS (11-17-08): Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government workers who authorized or used harsh interrogation techniques during the George W. Bush presidency. Obama, who has criticized the use of torture, is being urged by some constitutional scholars and humans rights groups to investigate possible war crimes by the Bush administration.

But they are just advisers! I can already hear some scream. Sure. Obama could have contradicted the advisers via his spokesman, but the latter had no comments for AP (see article). 

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As is usually the case, that fish rotted from the head down.

There wasn't enough support in Congress or among the general public to impeach Bush and Cheney. There won't be public or congressional support for any kind of legal proceedings against Bush and Cheney and Rummy and the others who authorized and pushed the use of torture.

Those who actually carried out the orders are guilty of serious crimes, no question about it. But what sense would it make to punish the ones who carried out the orders while letting the ones who gave the orders go free? The person who poured the water down a prisoner's nose and throat goes to prison, and the people who initiated and authorized the torture go on book tours?

The underlying problem is that too many people were convinced that they needed to celebrate torture, or at least look the other way, because they were told that if they didn't they'd be attacked by terrorists. So you have the likes of Rush Limbaugh making fun of what was happening in Abu Ghraib and you have wingnut freepers celebrating torture, but also a lot of other non-wingnuts scared enough to look the other way.

That attitude is not going to reverse itself overnight. The next attack, whenever that happens, may be enough to convince people, at least on some gut level, that they were safer when Bush was starting preemptive wars and locking people up without trial and torturing prisoners and getting wiretaps without enough evidence to justify a warrant and so on and so on. I hope not, but it's easier to imagine that than to imagine that the public would reject the cowardly right-wing insistence on sacrificing liberty for a false sense of security, and find the bravery to reclaim those things that Bush/Cheney trashed.

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we know what we know and we dont know what we dont know and we dont know what we forgot that we once knew and we think we know what we dont know but we could have known it sometime...DONALD RUMSFELD on TORTURE.

A lot of our leaders and their assistants already forgot what they really do not want to know. And there are documents that were destroyed to help them in that endeavor.

So far who has paid for our national sins. A five foot tall girl who showed up in Gitmo and a couple of her friends.

You know water boarding bothers me less than the fact that we violated basic rights guaranteed in the Magna Carta and the Statute of Liberty before that. Almost a thousand years ago.

We just imprisoned scores of men. We made no charges against them. They did not have any chance to go to a tribunal or judge and demand to know why they were where they were.

Feeling close to death for a short period does not compare to 6 years of isolation, with no family to talk to, no attorney to discuss certain issues, no newspapers--just exile to a devil's island.

This does not even count others sent to barbaric alien prisons. Has anyone ever heard how many people we actually exiled?

A lot of jokes about Sadaam's driver. You know, any cop can tell you the top drug dealers in prison from his beat and the little guys who went with him.

There are some in the military who have a pretty good idea who is dangerous and who is not as far as the prisoners in Gitmo.

Sometimes it seems to me that the lowest guy on the totem pole gets punished, fairly or not.

And the real people who issued the orders are let go.
sometimes i think this whole world is one big prison yard, some of us are prisoners and the other of us are guards--B. Dylan

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