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I hereby challenge Chris Brown the drama-queen to a 1 on 1
Here, subject-changer who made up his own diary to say absolutely nothing about my diary about Krugman and Drudge.
Let's have a one-on-one here. Or are your feelings too hurt because you are a Drudge worshiper too?
But be advised that if you say ANYTHING that has nothing to do with my Krugman-Drudge diary I will turn comments off again. Ok let's see what you got, drama queen.
Let's have a one-on-one here. Or are your feelings too hurt because you are a Drudge worshiper too?
But be advised that if you say ANYTHING that has nothing to do with my Krugman-Drudge diary I will turn comments off again. Ok let's see what you got, drama queen.
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Personally I wouldn't consider recommending any post with comments turned off. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
October 28, 2008 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not fishing for recommendations. If I were, I'd say nice things about the hypocritical TPM'ers.
This diary is for Chris Brown, who is pretending to have much to say about my diary. Let's hear it.
October 28, 2008 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you wanted to have a serious discussion about Krugman and Drudge, why did you turn your comments off in the first place?
October 28, 2008 12:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Because my diaries always go unchallenged. All you see is ad-hominem attacks that add nothing to the discussion.
But feel free to add to my diary here diachronic.
October 28, 2008 12:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
By the way,l oceankat, are you gonna give me some heat? Go ahead, that's why I created this kitchen.
I turned off my comments because most of the comments made in my devastating diaries are ad-hominen, that is, things that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. My posts are never challenged, and you are proving my point right now. Do you have some "heat"? Give me heat, go ahead. Disprove to me that TPM was an anti-Krugman hotbed during the primaries and that Marshall and his followers loved Drudge.
October 28, 2008 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
'Or are your feelings too hurt because you are a Drudge worshiper too?'
That is an ad hominem attack.
October 28, 2008 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
And you just used the "two wrongs make a right" fallacy.
By the way, the ad-hominem came after I gave you a valid explanation first.
answers to my posts are usually "you are a troll" followed by another attack on my person but with nothing to contribute to the point of my diary.
And by the way, you are yet to say anything about the Krugman/Drudge diary.
If after 15 posts the issue is not addressed, I'm turning off the comments again.
October 28, 2008 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
"truthseeker," you are a troll.
The facts are these:
1. If you were not a troll, and you were called a troll, it would be an ad hominem attack.
2. If you are a troll -- and you are -- then calling you a troll is simply a statement of fact.
October 30, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm a hard core Hillary supporter who doesn't like Obama much and isn't afraid to post about it. I've dealt with a lot of attacks over that. I have no idea what can be done about the mindless idiots here but if they bother you so much that you can't ignore them and try to converse with the reasonable intelligent people here maybe you need to find another site that doesn't cause you that degree of aggravation. Disabling comments is antithetical to what I believe is the purpose of this site.
You say you're not looking for rec's, fine, neither am I. But I predict that if you get a rep for disabling comments it won't take long before most people will scroll past your posts as soon as they see your name.
As for your Krugman/Drudge post I agree with it mostly. I've posted similar things quite often here as well.
October 28, 2008 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree with the theory that if I disable comments people will begin ignoring them.
Humans are very curious by nature, plus some here hate me so much that they will itch to read my stuff, even if they never recommend it.
At any rate, most of my posts here are usually replied by 3 or 4 people anyway, with 0 to 1 recommendations. There isn't much to lose.
October 28, 2008 1:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
P.S. Maybe the reason you don't get very many comments or recommends on most of your posts is because you're sort of a one-trick pony. We know, because you've shared repeatedly, how you feel about Obama and Obama supporters. Try switching it up and writing about something different. What issues are important to you? What inspires you? Maybe then you'd get some discussion. Maybe not. It's kind of a crap shoot.
October 28, 2008 1:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Orlando, let's not make up complicated theories. I don't say nice things about the fanatical TPM'ers. They are very unlikely to recommend my posts.
You go on with your hypocrisy that you love so much and consider so natural. I'm not a hypocrite and it shows in my diaries. I don't go around praising those who praise my candidate just because.
I have an independent mind. You don't.
October 28, 2008 4:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
You keep telling yourself that and someday you might even believe it.
October 28, 2008 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
[TPMers] are very unlikely to recommend my posts.
Guilty as charged. Many of us generally prefer to recommend writing that contains at least some fact, proposes a supportable opinion, or at least boasts an author who doesn't give the impression of a constant need to wipe the spittle (at least I hope it's spittle) from his chin.
October 28, 2008 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! Now that's funny.
October 30, 2008 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Supporting her for what? She's not running for President, and if you were really a "hardcore" supporter you'd follow her lead and support Obama. I'd say you're more of a lukewarm Hillary supporter, if that.
October 28, 2008 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was a hard core Gore supporter in 2000. I thought he had the makings to be a great president. Not so much because of the political personal he put on for the public but because I had a friend who knew him and told me personal stories about Gore. When he lost the election I was still a hard core supporter.
I continued to be a hard core supporter for 4 years. I was extremely disappointed he decided not to run in 2004. I wasn't too fond of Kerry but I had less questions about him than Obama because he had a significant record that I could look at to get a sense of the man.
I continued to be a hard core supporter of Gore for 4 more years. Again I was very disappointed he decided not to run this year.
I don't give my support easily or quickly and I don't toss it aside with out cause.
I realize, dorf, that you won't understand how someone can support someone for 8 years. I've little doubt that if Obama were to lose this election someone as trivial and faddish as you would toss him aside for the next New Big Thing. But you see, I'm not like that and you haven't got a clue who I am or how I think.
October 28, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, I think I do. I have a couple of friends who were huge Queen fans back in the '70s. And as far as they're concerned, Queen is still the Best. Band. Ever.
I think you're like that.
October 29, 2008 4:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not surprised you think supporting a politician is like following a rock band. That's what I meant when I said you were trivial.
In the 70's I voted for Carter in my first election. When Carter gave his so called "malaise" speech on energy I thought it was a great speech and I was astonished to actually see a president tell the people the hard truth. When I voted for him in 1980 the only other person I knew who voted for him was my wife. I have no doubt you would have voted for the change candidate with the inspiring speeches.
For 30 years I've been telling everyone I know that the day would come when everything Carter talked about came true and every solution he suggested would be enacted. All my friends called me daft for telling them that Carter was like Cassandra and some day people would see he was right and rue the day they turned from the path he tried to lead us.
So you see dorf, I don't have any trouble at all standing alone and speaking what I believe. I've been doing it all my life it more ways than I've just described. And I'm not ashamed for supporting Carter for 30 years and supporting Gore for 8 and supporting Hillary still.
October 29, 2008 7:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
What exactly is your point, andrew? That Drudge seemed to advocate for Obama in the primary and that advocacy was welcomed but now that he is seeming to advocate for McCain, Obama supporters are not happy about it?
So what? I'm sure McCain supporters are feeling the way about quite a few reporters and some prominent republicans to boot (i.e., Colin Powell, etc.)
That Krugman advocated for Hillary in the primary but now that he is on Obama's side, Obama supporters like him again?
Again I ask, so what? Primary battles are not new to the political process. Take a look at the republican side. There was no love lost between Romney and McCain during the primary season. And for that matter, John McCain was kissing George Bush's ass very soon after being absolutely slimed by him in the 2000 primaries. I'm also pretty sure that Obama and Bill Clinton are going to make out in Florida on Wednesday.
Hypocrisy is nothing new. It knows no party and everybody suffers from it to some extent. Even exhaustingly sanctimonious people like you.
Here's another one. I used to love Ralph Nader. In the 1980s and even through the 1990s, I thought he was a courageous trailblazer that stood for people who didn't have the power to stand for themselves. Now, I think he is a gigantic horse's ass and a megalomaniac to boot.
So what?
October 28, 2008 12:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
But wouldn't you like to be seen as a person with critical thinking abilities? Or would you want to be seen as simply someone who will praise whoever likes your candidate and trashes whoever opposes him at all times?
October 28, 2008 12:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am seen as a person with critical thinking abilities, at least by anyone whose good opinion matters to me.
During the political season, everybody goes overboard for their candidate and overlooks flaws, potential or real. It's human nature. It's like defending your sister. You might hate her at home, but anybody outside the family who talks smack about her better watch out.
Of course most of us can reflect honestly on the fact that Obama is a man with foibles just like the rest of us. But he's a hell of a lot better than the other guy. And what's more, for the first time in a long time in any election at any level, I'm voting for my candidate instead of against the other one.
I'm just trying to figure out what you're so pissed off about? Can you say that you've never done the same thing? If you can, I don't think you're using those critical thinking skills you claim are so important.
October 28, 2008 1:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, I do not uncritically defend those who praise my candidate only because they like my candidate.
I understand, for example, that Drudge was, is, and will always be, an unreliable sleazy pseudo-journalist.
October 28, 2008 1:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
There's a certain value in rubbing people's nose in their hypocrisy. People shouldn't be allowed to forget things too easily. But if you're going to chose that role don't expect to be patted on the back for doing it by the people you just reminded. You're going to be attacked for it.
This cafe is populated with people who just can't resist the impulse to blab in public. Telling us we cannot by disabling comments will provoke a larger backlash then calling us hypocrites. Which, by the way, not all of us are.
October 28, 2008 1:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you are claiming to have lived your entire life free of hypocrisy, I'm afraid I don't believe you. It's impossible. If you think I'm wrong, you're not being honest with yourself.
October 28, 2008 1:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you can show me where I claimed or even implied that I have lived my life free of hypocrisy I might consider your reply seriously rather than considering it your usual blather that simply displays your lack of reading comprehension. Like this post where you state that you, "have to disagree with everybody here" when quite clearly there were several people posting in the thread who were in complete agreement with you.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/ashaw/2008/10/accepting-and-rejecting-commen.php#comment-3254818
October 28, 2008 1:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not talking about your writing on TPM. It's easy to avoid contradictions and hypocriscy when you are a one-trick pony. You fit into that category just as easily as andrew does. I'm talking about living a life free of hypocrisy. You can't. Claiming you can makes you a hypocrite, for example.
October 28, 2008 8:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
never mind my 'curiousity' below about seeing praise of Drudge. Hypocrisy is much more interesting.
This is what Orwell said as WWII began:
'"For Heaven's sake, let us not suppose we go into this war with clean hands. It is only while we cling to the consciousness that our hands are not clean that we retain the right to defend ourselves." And as he said in February 1944 of the war whose end was still nowhere in sight: "In the last analysis, our only claim to victory is that if we win the war, we shall tell fewer lies about it than our adversaries." This is not truth versus lies; it is fewer lies versus more lies, or democratic hypocrisy versus the total lie. Indeed, for Orwell, it was the hypocrisy of the English that served to ensure that they were not entirely self-deceived about the moral compromises entailed in confronting a totalitarian ideology; they at least still knew what it meant to have something to hide."
Having "something to hide" is what the right to privacy, which Obama claims to find in the Constitution (I don't find it there, but in the Bill of Rights and subsequent amendments) is all about. You can't expect to rip off people's masks unless there is a damn good reason to.
On the other hand, you can't lie without consequences, either.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/may/17/classics.politicalbooks
October 28, 2008 1:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Before I go to bed, let me say it's an honor for me to be responsible for the re-re-design of one of the top progressive blogs in the nation, since a campaign has begun to tell Josh Marshall to remove the option that allows members to disable comments.
And don't get me wrong. The campaign began because of me and only me.
But don't get your hopes up, Chris Brown, just be aware that I posted here as frequently before the option was included as I do now.
October 28, 2008 1:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
And speaking of megalomaniacs...
October 28, 2008 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
It seems you're really concerned with the ethical question of why 'some slander is better than others.' It isn't.If Drudge slandered Clinton, he should not have been praised for it.
But people jump to conclusions, especially conclusions that reinforce their preexisting ideas.
if Drudge was as effusively praised here as you say he was, I would be curious to see it.
October 28, 2008 1:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
"people" jump to conclusions. Why don't you say Josh Marshall?
That's what makes me proud of having an independent mind.
October 28, 2008 4:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
The reason I don't say Marshall is because I haven't seen the things he's written that praise Drudge as a good writer, let alone a better one than Krugman.
In fact I haven't seen anything that anyone says that slams one while praising the other.
October 28, 2008 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dude. If I disagree with you on 10 points..... then agree with you on 1 point... then disagree with you again on 10... who am I? I MIGHT just be a guy who thinks rationally, and who tries to speak his mind independently, right?
Now. What if TPM took the same approach to Drudge? They MAY be being rational & independent. OR they may be just be really persuaded by a candidate, beyond what they should be. Fair?
But who is to decide? Who sorts that out? Got a foolproof method? Cause I don't. You walk into a group of people here who largely disagree with you. Big whoop. Why all bent out of shape?
There's plenty more of us pricks here. We get good responses sometimes, but also lots of personal nonsense. So it goes.
This is life, man.
October 28, 2008 1:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
They love us in Europe, I hear - sell a lotta albums. Really big, like all of our old cutouts are now out of print.
October 30, 2008 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me thinks you picked the wrong screen name. Attentionseeker77 would have been more straight forward.
October 28, 2008 1:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are angry because I reminded readers how hypocritical TPM'ers like you are. It makes your blood boil that many here loved Drudge and hated Krugman before the former turned againt Obama and the latter threw his support against the Hillary-endorsed Obama.
Your blabber about pill might make you sound cool, but you are not. You shy away from issues, like most of you.
October 28, 2008 4:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
correction. I meant to say when Krugman threw his support behind Obama, not against him.
October 28, 2008 4:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're mistaken. The world is not so black and white. Some people were so attached to their candidate they totally convinced themselves the talking points were true. Some people cynically used whatever spin, no matter how destructive, to further their candidate. They knew exactly what they were up to but thought the end justified the means. Some people watched what was happening with eyes that see, but kept silent not really caring much or caring but pragmatically accepting it as the cost of trying to win the election. Some people spoke out against the spin, more or less, as their energy and time permitted. There's probably other groups I can't think of at the moment and its unlikely that any individual spent all their time in just one of the groups. I think this is generally true no matter who the candidate they were supporting was.
Same as it ever was.
October 28, 2008 5:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. 77s error is that while MJ and a few reactive pundits may have trashed Krugman and praised Drudge during the primary, there were plenty here who took the opposite view. If 77 was unaware of their contributions, that is due to 77s own lack of reading comprehension.
As for taking credit for the redesign of this site, I'd think Billy Glad had more to do with the ability to disable comments, then 77. I seem to remember several management threads in which he advocated for that in the face of some pretty heavy criticism. I didn't happen to agree, nor do I agree with this posters sophomoric temper tantrum.
TPM has always had it's dissenters, (SFCWallace comes to mind, as do you, oceancat), difference is, whereas you folks rely on logic and rational counterpoints, this poster tends to rely on hysteria and sweeping assinine statements.
Pretty dull, really.
October 28, 2008 7:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Hamilton-Burr duel revisited.
October 28, 2008 2:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're really trying too hard, you know.
I've been thinking about you. Confinement's a nasty business, makes it hard to lash out at the world and make it listen. Ask someone to loosen those ties, perhaps remove the jacket. That's it. Now - don't swallow those pills - just let them lay under your tongue until no one's watching and then spit them out. Better?
When you're feeling more like yourself, take a moment to talk to us. You might be surprised at what you'll hear in return. There are some pretty cool people on the outside.
October 28, 2008 3:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have great news for you guys. I have implemented rules that will allow you all to post comments in my threads. Feel free to read:
Here.
October 28, 2008 5:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey. truthseeker77 said this blog was for brown. What are you people doing butting in here? STFU and go comment on a blog that wants your comments. And where is Chris Brown? I'm looking forward to seeing the seeker give that little puke a good lashing.
October 28, 2008 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently the author does want our comments, sir. He seems to have emerged from beneath his cozy rock to turn comments on this time.
Try to make sense, OK?
October 28, 2008 1:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like you got your teeth fixed since I saw you last. Now get your brain fixed, moron.
October 28, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
He turned on the comments so Chris Brown could answer him, you imbecile. I thought you had left. What a drag to see you still here.
October 28, 2008 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I intensely dislike it when pissing contests about personalities replace discussions about ideas, but I my curiousity about people such as truthseeker77 has gotten the better of me this time.
Why would one provide links that completely fail to substantiate their thesis? Why would anyone use a forum like this to idict people for "crimes" that are completely inconsequential even if true? Why would s/he spout invective without any particularly apparent motive or stimulus.
And to drop turds as he does, then turn off responses really takes his behavior beyond the bounds of civil discourse.
What sort of pathological satisfaction can come from this kind of junior-high restroom-wall scribbling? Any thoughts about what makes people like him tick? Anyone? Anyone? Buehler?
October 28, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ferris had to step out, but he VERY much wanted to respond, so he left this.
Donno if it was intended for you Tank, or 77, or maybe just a statement on his own perilous mental state.
October 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Truthseeker? Isn't he just a troll? I neither agree nor disagree with his arguments; but I think he should go elsewhere, because he's not welcome in TPM.
Did I miss anything?
October 29, 2008 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, the vote that put you in charge of everything. Where do I sign up for my hall pass, Mr. Monitor?
October 30, 2008 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Chris sent me, his nylons got a tear in them and his mascara was running, so he didn't feel quite right putting on a public display at such a sensitive time. But he says you're rude and contemptible and furthermore Leave Obama Alone!!!
As for me, not only am I from now on disallowing comments on my posts, I'm disallowing posts on my posts. That'll show all of you. You don't deserve me.
Harumph.
October 30, 2008 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink