Individual Responsibility vs. Society's Stake
A common argument between conservative and liberal is whether more and tougher law enforcement is the best approach to reducing crime, or whether some societal/governmental intervention is appropriate. In other words, conservatives say society can merely expect personal responsibility, and enforce the law when that fails. Same for gun crime, same for exploitative mortgage-sales practices, and same for terrorism---"Liberals want to use psychotherapy."
For Professor Gates, it would have easily avoided a problem to be subservient and polite, ignoring his feeling of being oppressed. This is what Chris Rock humorously advises in this video clip: NYPD Training Video
But advice to the individual is not sufficient sometimes. Advising our citizens to not discriminate on the basis of race (Emancipation, Brown vs. Board) was provably inadequate (lynching, Jim Crow) thus the Civil Rights Act.
So let's keep clear which topic we mean. Definitely a bad
idea to shout and gesture at a policeman who has his weapon drawn and pointed at
you---see Charles Blow's story of that in today's NYT. But do we have to defend
a cop arresting someone who is by definition in his power (or he couldn't apply
those handcuffs) just because the citizen was loud and abusive?
I don't think we need to include race---this kind of heavy-cop thing happens to white people plenty. But it does happen to blacks more often, so my liberal view is that the uneven distribution implies continuing (informal) racial profiling. And my civil-liberties view is that police have plenty of advantages, beginning with society's sanction, and including communication and transport, strength in numbers, authorized weapons and other tools, and plenty of special laws concerning attacks on them. Do we need to codify kowtowing?













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I imagine myself, a bad day at the office, having made my monthly piti to the mortgage company, having made my utilities payments and someone comes and asks me to prove who I am. I would feel like shoving my bill receipts down his throat. ha!!!
We can attempt to work generally on proper conduct,
but sometimes the immediate situation, whether you have properly taken your meds or not, may overwhelm you.
July 25, 2009 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
But you miss my point when you don't specify who you refer to in your last para. Whose proper conduct? Whose emotion?
In Jan Tessier's thread I mentioned that the commonly low-key approach of state police shows cops don't have to be touchy.
July 25, 2009 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry Tom, I meant that I would always kow tow to police, judges, prosecuting attorneys... And then maneuver later. You know, really saying fuck you as you dutifully say 'your honor'.
I am saying that if I was having a bad day, my comportment might be off, so to speak. I might not be minding my manners. Which would happen from time to time. That's all.
And I do not, under any circumstances see a difference between standing in your living room, standing on your porch or standing in your own yard. none at all.
July 25, 2009 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would also act to minimize risk of over-eager law enforcement. But as NCSteve is discussing, we are blending two different issues---do the police deserve respect and are they entitled to it? Or, as I put it, what the individual should do is not the same as what we as society should ask of our police.
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July 25, 2009 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink