Try as I might I just can't seem to figure out what the "Whiny Right" is actually trying to accomplish. Any ideas?
Perhaps it is because my own personal odometer clicked over to 48, 5 days ago and maybe the realization that my life was probably half gone 7 or 8 years ago has driven me crotchety, I don't know.. but it's a thought. But for the life of me I can not figure out what the fuck the right in this country is trying to accomplish. Or exactly what it is they want.
When you ask someone on the right what they want and once they get past "Private" all you hear are crickets. No shit... I haven't the slightest idea what they ARE FOR. Truth be told I don't think they know what they are for, so here are a few questions for those on the Whiny Right that I would love to see answered.
1. If the child of a rich person and a poor person suffer from the same disease should they both get the same care? If you answered NO then we can stop the discussion right hear and declare that you are Heartless Bastards and we all know that heartless bastards are first cousins to the Soul Eating Bastards some call health insurance companies. Come on... you can not really believe that care should be different based on the amount of money someone has. If you do believe that you can stop reading because the questions are gonna get harder.
2. Why is America rated 29th in infant mortality? The reason is because we have a pay to play health care system just like our government has become. Think about it how much longer is it going to take before OUR government is a "holy" owned subsidiary of Megacorp. Big business is stealing our form of government right from under our noses.
3. Why is America rated so low in longevity? See answer to question 2.
4. Whiny Right if you were kings for a day how would you fix health care? I haven't got a clue to that answer. "CRICKETS?"
5 .Why not Medicare for all? And you have to have an answer that doesn't run to the defense of the Soul Eating Bastard Industry or as you call them Health Insurance Companies. I fully expect to hear "CRICKETS"
6. How do we bring you along, what must we do to get you, the "whiny right" to shit or get off the pot... so to speak. What will make this work for you? What will make you stop the defense of the SEB Industry.
Over 230 years ago Ben Franklin thought that the only hope for our democracy is for people to respect each other enough to compromise. Now my perfect plan for health care reform would be to step on the throats of every single health insurance company until there was no other option than a government run single payer system. My side gave that up without a fight actually, now how far will you move to meet me in the middle. There is a song, I can't begin to tell you by who or even all the words but in the song somewhere it says "we'd both gain a lot if we just give a little" Think about that... when we quit playing politics with actual lives... how much do you think we can accomplish.
Sorry if this seems rather scattered, rain is on the way and it's a painful day. (Those with bad knees or other joints know the feeling). More soon.
















I can tell you plainly. They are FOR winning, and AGAINST the other guy winning. That's it.
September 10, 2009 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Show me the money, show me the money, show me the money...
It si all about the money they get from their corporate sponsors who would like to see us last in the industrialized world in all of those catagories...because that would mean profits keep on going up. (see question 1)
September 10, 2009 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, the leaders are in it for the money - the followers are either dupes or selfish or racist.
September 10, 2009 8:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or all of the above Tom...
September 10, 2009 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heard somebody on MSNBC say last night that the Right just continues to isolate themselves from most of America... Before long, the only people that will be able to identify with the Repugs will be White, Southern, Males.
I say we give 'em enough rope.
September 10, 2009 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Amen. Last night's performance made me wish that Sherman brought another pack of matches on his march.
September 10, 2009 11:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
They are trying to insure nothing gets accomplished. Let us not forget - "Government is not the solution it's the problem."
Eight words that have done more harm than good.
September 10, 2009 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is utterly amazing to me that we ELECT people who have this perspective. We hand them the keys to the car they have declared is worthless and should be driven off a cliff. WTF?!?
September 11, 2009 2:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agree with you all... whiny GOP will be the death of "U.S." all.
September 10, 2009 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Much of the right has always been for an "every man for itself society". Many incline toward libertarianism and social Darwinism. They instinctively oppose sharing wealth, sharing risk and sharing responsibility. Many are opposed to these things on principle. Many others are opposed to them not because they object to sharing arrangements in principle, but only because they are against sharing with blacks, Catholics, Mexicans, Yankees and the others whom they consider morally degenerate, parasitical or lazy.
They tend to think state sovereignty trumps national sovereignty; local communities sovereignty trumps state sovereignty; and individual sovereignty trumps community sovereignty. Their romantic ideal is the man in the shack who kills his own food, asks nothing of others, gives nothing in return, pays no taxes and is a sovereign emperor of his own little domain. The invocation of words like "community", "society", "unity", "world" and "we" that give the left warm fuzzies only make them want to grab their guns.
The right is uninterested in where America ranks on various lists, because their goals are local and individualistic, not nationalistic. The only role they warmly accept for collective action is cooperation in defending territory by chasing off attackers and marauders.
September 10, 2009 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm afraid that you are correct.
September 10, 2009 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with what you said. I found this portion ironic, however. They instinctively oppose sharing wealth, sharing risk and sharing responsibility. It matches my above reply to jsfox. The Right does oppose sharing risk, but they are the monarchs of the insurance industry, a service designed to share risk. In their efforts to avoid sharing that risk, the insurance industry has imploded and requires reform. They brought it on themselves.
September 11, 2009 2:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Keep hammering away at this face! They win by obstructing. They and their financial backers have nothing to lose and everything to win by maintaining the status quo. At some point even the MSM is going to have to stop pretending they have something constructive to offer.
September 10, 2009 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
O,
I plan to. In much stronger terms soon.
September 10, 2009 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't bet on the MSM to do anything Obey. The reality of it is they are part of the same corporate superstructure that puts food on the Republican's tables...who owns NBC again? All the networks care about is ratings and the money that comes from good ones...food fights and town hall ruckuses are a panacea, accurate reporting is optional.
September 10, 2009 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well it all depends on how successful they are in suppressing the newer non-corporate 'media'. Their credibility, and hence ratings, depends on there not being toooo much dissonance between their reporting and, well, reality.
September 10, 2009 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. Right now most Americans still get their news fron newspapers and TV...though as has been noted here, and many other places, their readers/viewers are declining steadily. Sites like this one, and others all over the internet, need to keep them, and the coverage, honest.
The other thing is who they percieve is winning this fight. If Obama starts getting the upper hand they're are gonna want to jump on the bandwagon. So in that sense you might be right too. But up to this point they have revelled in, and focused their coverage on, all the yellers, screamers, and teabaggers. Almost like it is a reality TV freak show...
September 10, 2009 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
The thing they provided was a reasonably efficient information filter where you got a summary of what you needed to know in a half-hour segment. Now with 24-hour cable news, it's become extremely inefficient.
The problem is, the internet isn't much more efficient in those terms. You need to invest a lot of time fishing around for information, and then decide for yourself whether a certain source is an honest broker. I've now got my rss feeds up on netvibes so I can read my self-composed 'newspaper' in a quick 30 minute morning session. But it took a while to set up and the quality right.
don't know what the solution is, a better blog-aggregator?
September 10, 2009 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you build it, we will come! LOL, but serious too!
It is the web that stands strongly opposed to their version of reality. I hope we can hang onto it, but I have my doubts. Meanwhile, I'm here pretty much every day.
September 11, 2009 2:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why do Republicans say no to everything? Why do their surrogates incite the crazies to come out of the woodwork at town hall meetings? I think their strategy is to create a sense of discontent and distruption (with the help of the media) so that even those who voted for Obama start to think there is a really big problem. Obama is indecisive. He's not in control. He isn't a leader. Where did the positive Obama image go? Advantage Republicans.
After all the crap that went on in August, Obama tried to regain his image with his speech last night. It was a great speech. A CNN poll says that 7 of 10 viewers of the speech support his plan. Advantage Obama.
But of course, now the ball is back in the hands of Congress. And Republicans will just keep saying no. But what will they do to regain the chaos of town hall meetings? I'm sure they'll think of something.
September 10, 2009 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
As far as what is really going on at the head of Fox News, the very real pseudo-christian mafia
(that has men like Sanford telling us he's an angel of God and he's trying to sort out his missions or some such hooey), and other far right leaning powers that be, what do 'they' really want?
That is the question I also wish I knew the answer to.
It is clear that they want control and to amass wealth and power. They develop relationships with foreign leaders etc. According to David Coe they value the leadership of Hitler, Mao, and Stalin.
What their ultimate goal is?? They have every intention of keeping it secret.
Is it to bring on Armageddon... maybe in the minds of those among them that are less aware but according to what I've learned so far they really don't have much use for religion or they have completely revamped Christianity to fit their goals. The 'Family' meets in pods, they consider themselves 'elite' and chosen. They are members of the Senate and Congress, they are CEO's and shareholders of corporations.
But they use and manipulate the public through fear, distortions, and misinformation wherever they can.
I have no freakin' idea what 'they' want. And I doubt that the people lower down the chain know either.
September 10, 2009 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
s,
Everytime I see the name David Coe I think of David Allen Coe the man that wrote the "Perfect Country and Western Song" and a LOT of other stuff I like. Please google David Allen Coe and give him a listen. Especially the Song that is the Perfect Country and western song "You don't have to call me darlin, darlin.
OK the last verse goes something like this...
"I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison
and went to pick her up in the rain
but before I could get to the station in my
truck pickup
She got runned over by a damned ole train..."
As a matter of fact Everyone should check out DAC, of course it could just be my strange taste...
September 10, 2009 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is clear that they want control and to amass wealth and power.
That is all there is to these people, I'm afraid. They have a use for religion of their own creation. They extol those despots for ebing despots. That's their dream. They wish to destroy the government because it is an impediment to their attaining the goals and they fail to realize it is what prints their money and enables them to generate their fortune. These imbeciles believe they create their fortunes all by themselves. They live in a very small world.
September 11, 2009 3:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
The right wing is not unified by any program or belief that certain things must change. They have come together to defend themselves from the loss of privileges.
That is why the group subtends such vast differences in economic class interest. Whether it is getting into Harvard or being from the only group being hired for manufacturing jobs in a small community, the desire to preserve a special status becomes the basis of a political consensus.
To measure what is "accomplished" or not by this political machine should not be measured by what they bring forward as an advancement of some common good but how weak are the people are who would usurp their relative strength.
September 10, 2009 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
GO GET EM FACE.
I am so goddamn mad at the right right now I cannot hold it in.
Its one damn lie after another just like when w was in office.
They do no wish any debate Face.
They will keep with their magic tricks hoping you look at abortions not at the hundred of thousands dead each year due to lack of medical care or negligence by medical care.
I have had it.
GOOD RANT
September 10, 2009 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dan K's comments above are pretty fascinating ... and thought-provoking. Puts a much more philosophical framework around what I was stumbling with in the comments I'd thrown together. Maybe they explain what I could see that seemed so very complexing.
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It almost seems like that it is super simplistic:
2 strong core beliefs:
1) Democrats/liberals are wrong, whatever they want to do. Therefore, if they get in power, there is only one goal: get them OUT of power. Nothing else matters. Oppose everything because everything they do is wrong.
2) Republicans are right, whatever they want to do - or *not* do. Therefore when they get in power, they don't have to *think* about what to do ... just follow their instincts, which are always right.
And often, it seems, their instincts are to do nothing. -- I mean, think about it. They had the White House for 8 years and both houses of Congress for 6 of those years. WHAT did they do?
* Start two wars (granted, one was very understandable) and execute them poorly;
* Take a budget surplus and transform it into a huge deficit;
* Let business and banking slide into the worst financial crisis since the Depression by the time they got out;
* Passed No Child Left Behind Act (with significant help from Kennedy) and then refused to fund it;
* Played with the tax code so that the percetange of wealth held by the top 2-3 % of the people became way, way out of proportion;
* And did some things under the covers that we don't even want to think about (attorney firings, wiretapping, torture).
Am I missing anything?
I started out thinking that perhaps what they are trying to accomplish now would be along the lines of or have some connection to what they *did* accomplish when they had power. But I can't for the life of me figure out what THAT was.
To me it doesn't look much like "governing" -- more just being in power and enjoying being in power. ??? There's got to be more, but I'm just not seeing it.
Good question, Face -- *very* good question.
September 10, 2009 10:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Elizabeth, fine,fine comment. I hereby render unto you the Knightly Comment of the Day Award for this here TPMCafe Site, given to all of you from all of me.
Wonderful, just wonderful!!!
September 11, 2009 2:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow! Thank you -- thank 'all of you' - thank you very much. (Hmmm, why do I feel like I'm channeling Elvis?)
September 11, 2009 8:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Although I'm not a member of "the right", nor the republican party, I will try to answer some of the questions.
1. Yes. coverage for all children should be part of our government's responsibility. SCHIP, Medicaid should be available broadly if a child's family cannot afford coverage or chooses not to cover themselves.
2. Why is America rated 29th in infant mortality? I don't know, but I suspect it is related to a variety of factors -- access to healthcare being one; others probably include dietary habits, drug usage, % of unwed mothers (not a value judgment, but easier when a pregnant woman has a partner to help) and other factors. Again, I will admit this isn't something I've researched.
3. Why is America rated so low in longevity? I agree...see answer to question 2.
4. Whiny Right if you were kings for a day how would you fix health care? I'm not the Whiny Right...so not sure how THEY would answer. I don't have an easy answer to this one. Will expand more on question #5.
5 .Why not Medicare for all? Because Medicare is already on a path to bankrupt the government. Even the President said so last night. The fundamental problems with our current health care system include a fee-for-service pay structure, no incentive for providers to hold down costs, ever-rising costs for more advanced treatments and an understandable view by people that if a treatment is available, it should be provided, regardless of cost. These are HARD problems with no easy solutions. What I can say without much hesitation is that the current set of proposals (and especially extending Medicare for all) won't address these issues.
6. How do we bring you along, what must we do to get you, the "whiny right" to shit or get off the pot... so to speak. What will make this work for you?
Again, I'm not the whiny right (I suspect they don't frequent this site)...but the solution is to have the Administration take a thoughtful, adult approach to the health care problem...and acknowledge that hard decisions with trade-offs will need to be made. If there are ways to save Medicare, proceed with haste. Demonstrate success and Independents (and I) will support an expansion of Medicare to cover all Americans.
I would even say that would be a win-win; a Single-Payer system that covers all americans AND that doesn't bankrupt the country.
September 10, 2009 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am of awe that so much is being written about "why" the GOP are the way they are perceived.
I ask a simple question: does it matter?
Or is it possible to use those "cricket responses" as a means of expanding other people's minds?
As people are fond of telling Jason, it is not the Dem's responsibility to "correct" the GOP. Merely accept what is -- and use it to political advantage.
You will note that the GOP never did otherwise.
I don't care what someone's motives are in a particular piece of negotiation, so long as we want the same result.
Rather, we should be focused on why the various wings of the Democrats aren't hanging together more cohesively.
But that's a much harder problem.
September 11, 2009 4:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well this might have something to do with it.
Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-do
I have another puzzle for you
Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-da-dee
If you are wise, you'll listen to me
Who do you blame when your kid is a brat?
Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat
Blaming the kids is a lie and a shame
You know exactly who's to blame
The mother and the father
Oompa, Loompa, doom-pa-dee-da
If you're not spoiled, then you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-do
C
September 11, 2009 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink