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For about $15 you can get a Fiddle at a pawn shop, I did and I am sending it to my Republican Senator. I ask that you do the same!


For about $15 you can get a Fiddle at a pawn shop, I did, and I am sending it to my Republican Senator. It will cost about $10 to ship it to your guy. I ask you do the same so Republicans can fiddle while AMERICA BURNS!

Or perhaps you have a better way to make the point to these thick skulled "MOERONS"! If you do let please let "US" know!


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The Dems have all the firetrucks. And they are on the scene.

And the reps are unnecessary to the action.

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DD,
Maybe we should send fiddles to the Dems as well! Although, my state Senator, Sherrod Brown is pretty much supporting this bill.

I just figured a fiddle would make a real good statement.

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I propose that TPM start using the term "fiddlers" to identify members of Congress who oppose the stimulus, or who are so bogged down in the details that their equivocation effectively acts as opposition.

"Fiddlers": It's catchy -- catchier than "flat-earth" politicians, which is pretty good in itself.

Josh? David? You listening?

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Well, I think you need to look into the details of this stumulus plan. It is filled with spending (like 142 bilion for education, 87 for medicare, 22 billion for HHS ) that has little to nothing to do with stimulus. Now, maybe you suport these programs, fine. There is a budget process for that. It is not appropriate to cram it all into an 'emergency' bill that should be focuses only on infrastructure (bridges, roads, broadband access - fiber to the home, etc) and tax measures. Infrastructure spending is needed, and will provide jobs. Cutting taxes is a real stimulus, as it creates real demand. Most Gov't spending creates inflation and synthetic demand that vanishes as soon as the spending stops. That is why FDR was a failure to end the GD with his programs. After 12 years of his Keynsian approach - nothing. Only after WWII when the consumer started spending (after years of pent up demand) did the economy boom.

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That is why FDR was a failure to end the GD with his programs. After 12 years of his Keynsian approach - nothing. Only after WWII when the consumer started spending (after years of pent up demand) did the economy boom.
This is lacking in historic fact.

Hoover years:

1930: GNP falls 9.4% from prior year. Unemployment climbs from 3.2 to 8.7%

1931: GNP falls another 8.5%, unemployment rises to 15.9%

1932: GNP falls a record 13.4% -- a total of 31% since 1929, unemployment rises to 23.6%

1933: Roosevelt assumes office. Fall of GNP significantly slows, dropping only 2.1%. Unemployment rises slightly, 24.9%

1934: GNP rises 7.7%, unemployment falls to 21.7%

1935: GNP goes up another 8.1%, unemployment falls to 20.1%

1936: GNP grows 14.1% (a record), unemployment falls to 16.9%

1937: GNP rises 5.0%, unemployment falls to 14.3%. Roosevelt fears an unbalanced budget and cuts spending for 1937. A 2nd recession begins.

1938: The 2nd recession's effects are felt; GNP falls 4.5%, unemployment rises to 19.0%

1939: WWII build-up begins.

Had Roosevelt continued along with standard Keynsian economics in 1937, the 2nd recession would likely not have happened. Nonetheless, his policies had a great effect and to claim otherwise is patently ignorant.

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142 bilion for education, 87 for medicare, 22 billion for HHS
School staff equals employment, likewise medical staff, etc. The openings are already there; seems like shovel-ready jobs to me.
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BULLDOG!!
You have awoke from your depression!

FDR chickened out and turned right too early and bailed on what was actually working.

Nice to have you back in the "sales" game.

Remember what happened the last time NO Republican house member voted for a new presidents package? 22M jobs, booming econ etc...

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Hey, giving fiddle players a bad name!

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I must protest this action! Even cheap fiddles aren't worth wasting on politicians! :)

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Save your money for food and shelter - skip the fiddle.

Rome is not burning. People can say if we don't act quickly there will be a "catastrophe". But don't believe them.

But if you're going to support this package, please call it a "spending bill" because only part of it is stimulative.

I guess we should just split it into two bills - the jobs bill and the Pelosi Pork bill

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It's a "recovery bill", Bill.

Why not just call it what it is?

Can you show that the bulk of the spending will NOT have a stimulative effect? Please do so.

You believe there will be a catastrophe no matter what bills are passed in the next few months?

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