Obnoxious, Argumentative, In-Your-Face and Mean: Yes I Am
I've been described in these terms for a very long time, for 20 years I've felt some pride over these descriptions. It's been liberating. Recently I've had a couple of blogs blow completely up, and of course I contribute heavily to this, I admit it. I know there are folks here at TPM who are very offended by my in-your-face, no apologies attitude. For that I do not apologize. When the loons come to my blog to deliberately blow it up, I am in for the game, and I will continue my personal assault on people I consider to be bullies.
Every girl growing up begins her life trying to be the opposite of what I just described to you. High school was particularly difficult, how do you get along with everyone? I was in student council, I participated in sports, but I sough never to be obnoxious or overly argumentative, in-your-face and mean. I always thought being the opposite was the prime directive, and being civil in the face of incivility was the ultimate goal. At the same time this seemed to get me walked on and taken advantage of, this attitude of getting along with everyone and believing all opinions were valid seemed to leave me open to being taken advantage and I am not writing about teenage sex, I am talking about people just taking advantage of civility.
Eventually I went off to college and ended up in an engineering school, predominantly men, in 1981 there were 22 men to every woman enrolled in the school. Men in engineering school did not like having women in what they perceived to be their realm, and their realm of course was science and engineering. Women really didn't belong there and the male students as well as the professors made it known we did not belong there.
As an example, the first day of physics 104 the Professor was making his announcements, what was expected, grading, etc and all of the sudden he says "If you are a woman in my class you will not pass". I really couldn't believe what I'd heard! I'd never had any teacher say BS like that to my face and to the faces of many other women in that class, okay we were girls, I was 18 years old, do you know what that kind of talk does to the psyche of an 18 year old, holy shit. There seemed to be nowhere to turn to complain or to make someone do something about this professor, I couldn't even believe people could say that stuff without there being some consequence, but as the dean told us, it was "that idiots (my word) class and he could run it however he wanted, but we could certainly switch classes if we wanted" All of the sudden my being changed and I knew one thing for certain, women had put up with entirely too much before me, because if it was this bad in 1981, how bad was it previously? How much did women have to put up with?
From that point onward I began to learn things about life. I would watch people who just sat back and didn't argue and didn't try to fight for what was right, and fighting with words is the ultimate in patriotism and fighting back. The older I became the less I cared about what anyone thought about me or what I thought, I also began to care less about how I fought back politically.
Let's fast forward to the year 2000. We as a nation were still recovering from the Monica Lewinsky BS. Republicans and conservatives are getting more obnoxious, loud, mean, and during the election and afterwards during the recount they became out of control. It was ugly remember. I began then to fight back, and to never let a conservative or a republican get the upper hand, not ever again. I vowed I would fight them with words whenever I got the chance. Then we had 9-11 and suddenly everyone who was a liberal was a Benedict Arnold, and non-patriot. Commuting on the ferry was and is a daily spar and at times a nightmare for my husband who wondered if someone would try to kill me. There are many blue collar workers who are conservative, or who consider themselves conservative, you know they listen to Rush Limbaugh etc, we commuted on the ferry every day we ride motorcycles (ok I have a super cute plum Vespa LX150, but it is like a motor cycle), we were together every day, even people like me, Data Managers/Analysts and sometime database designers. Every day, every single fucking day they throw in their option to have a "discussion". There have been several times as I sit there and refute each ridiculous assertion and falsity when a couple of these guys absolutely lose it with me, they break out into a yelling screaming fit, (you know where their face turns entirely red and you wonder if they will have a heart attack right there and if they do will you attempt to help them) here I am a 5'6", 121 pound woman and some huge concrete worker is screaming his head off at me simply because I do not agree with him and because I refute each and every false assertion. I say stuff to their face they don't want to hear. When they talk about health insurance and how no one else should have it cause it's socialist, I say to them, "well that is easy for you since you have health insurance". Oh they hate that truth stuff, they really hate it, but they come back for more every day anyway. Of course I do not allow their screaming to stop me, ever, I will not be bullied. Not by anyone.
So when it comes to my little blog, my little rant, my little portion of the world, when you come and you bring your republican filth with you, you are going to get attacked. Period. There will never be a question of my not responding to that filth and crap unless I am direly ill, or on my bicycle ride.
I know there are a few out there whose sensibilities were wounded reading the responses on my blog, some even went so far as to report others responding. That is disappointing. Here is a lesson, there are times in your life when there are people you just don't like or you don't like what they've said, or what they believe, and that is okay, but don't stop them from posting to my blog, because words can't hurt you unless you allow that. And I would beg of you not to come to my portion of the blogosphere and have folks banned, it somehow feels counter to this milieu. And no I will not stop using my tactics against the bullies and their filth, not ever.













Fuck 'em!
Keep writing however you want to and keep commenting however you like.
Fuck 'em
September 9, 2009 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks!
September 9, 2009 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "Golden Rule" isn't a suggestion or commandment; it is a law of physics. It reads:
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
So, when I'm attacked by a Republican't/fake conservative thug, and being compassionate, I treat them as they are demanding I treat them:
I respond in kind, however unkindly.
But I'm always sufficiently controlled as not to spit.
The only thing that frustrates me about it is having to repeat, and repeat, and repeat, and repeat the same point, over and over and over and over and over again, until they run out of yarn.
September 10, 2009 2:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is the The Spanish Inquisition back in town? I love that show!
September 10, 2009 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I used to be Mr. Mild-Mannered Milquetoast.
(With thanks to Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band:
("I used to be a 2-stone apology. Now I'm a 16-stone gorilla.)
September 14, 2009 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Correction:
"Two years ago I was a 4-stone apology. Today, I am two separate gorillas!"
-- from "Mr. Apollo," "Tadpoles," Bonzo Dog Band.
September 14, 2009 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Logic and reason are lost on those fools, all too often, it seems.
September 10, 2009 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
All too often.
September 10, 2009 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
PS: Closetluddite, oh, that is one great handle.
September 9, 2009 8:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good.
I've got your back. Always. I've had enough of this nonsense, myself. You have my respect, and my gratitude for saying how I feel so well.
The thing that drives me around the bend is that these assholes have their enablers who will scold people that stick up for themselves and their beliefs, because, you know, we're liberals, and we're supposed to be "better." (Especially if we are female.)
Somehow, I think the suffragettes got the same lame excuses and mealy mouthed, empty, admonitions to keep in our place.
Thank everything that is good that THEY didn't listen, and I don't plan on listening to that codswallop any longer either. You can't reason with rabid dogs. The kindest thing is to put them down at once, not prolong their agony.
You go girl! Politics ain't beanbag.
September 9, 2009 7:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
OMG Bwak that is exactly it! Yes I think the suffragettes did get the same lame excuses, exactly, be nice, be good, be gentle, people will come around, except they never ever do come around!
Thanks Bwak!
September 9, 2009 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
They either come around, or back off, if one stands up to them. Anything else is perceived as weakness.
September 10, 2009 2:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reminds me a story Mom told me about her "awakening".
She was waiting for something in the mail and started for the box when she saw the postman coming. As he turned his car to leave she saw he was new to the route and he stopped to introduce himself. She gave her name and after responding with his.
He ask; who are you?
She stated her name again.
He then ask, but WHO are you?
She responded, you mean what MAN do I belong to? I don't belong to any MAN...
The rest was pretty much a blur in her mind as she tells the story, but evidently she went on for several minutes about who she was and how she had gotten where she is today with very little help from any man.
When she got back into the house she felt no humiliation only freedom.
You must realize that my Mom is the definition of gentility and as kind as any person could be.
Thanks Bwak, for the memories.
September 9, 2009 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awakening, yes that is exactly what it is! What a great story.
September 9, 2009 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
(((hugs jonnie)))
September 9, 2009 10:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Over twenty years ago, when I began confronting these thugs, there were always those who whined against the "flaming". Yes, the enablers: "we" were to fight with on hand tied behind our backs, and the other holding our chins, while they spewed venom out one side of their mouths, and spit razor blades out the other.
FINALLY I am seeing everyone on our side of the divide no longer taking it politely.
And it is WORKING, as I've all along known it would.
September 10, 2009 2:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
No matter how polite the question you aren't going to be polite? A fellow citizen reaches out a hand and you'll smack it away, determined to never get taken again, instead of trying to figure out a way across of divides. Sad.
September 10, 2009 8:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
You haven't asked a polite question, your first foray into my little blog the other day was a lecture about how I shouldn't be writing about such things, remember. Wait let me quote you:
"Then why do you keep bringing them up? Why do you imply they are such a bigger problem than this comment apparently says you really think?
Then to bring religion in as if the two-thirds of Americans who consider themselves Christians are all out there standing in front of abortion clinics.
This sort of discussion is as divisive and damaging and distracting as anything coming out of Limbaugh and Company. "
Remember that one, the lecture, I've entitled it the you are so much better than I am speech, why because you continually give that particular speech to everyone, and then you want respect.... LOL JEM, LOL.
September 10, 2009 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
How about a little context? I was responding to the following comment of yours.
I then made the remark you quoted, to which you replied:I didn't use personally derogatory words or terms. I mention very specific generalities that are damaging to our national political discussion and you immediately respond with invective and a total non sequiter that has nothing to do with what I wrote.There is no justification for using tactics that violate the very first rule on the TPM's commenting policy.
September 10, 2009 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
You, sir, are a fucking MORON. Maybe two thirds of citizens call themselves 'Christian' (I have yet to meet one who actually IS), but 100% of the people tormenting people outside of those clinics are an extremely vocal minority of those so-called Christians.
You know what we call people like you? A rules lawyer: a participant in a rules-based environment who attempts to use the letter of the law without reference to the spirit, usually in order to gain an advantage within that environment. The only reason you bring up the rules is because you are RUNNING OUT of responses, because Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh haven't given you any more ammo.
And yet, you keep coming back for more.
Here's an idea: Don't want to get flamed? Stop trolling, pork fuck.
September 10, 2009 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a coincidence, someone with no history of posting comes out with both barrels blazing, viotating the TPM commenting policy right and left.
Well met, King Radial.
September 10, 2009 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny thing about that.
Commenting rule #1, and I quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
I'm not insulting you based on any sort of social group. I'm insulting you based on your asinine comments. Troll, you are banished! BEGONE!
September 10, 2009 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Take it easy, for goodness sakes. Read the policy closer. You're violating it, and being a boor. Much moreso than the person you are going on so hot and heavy about....
If you think JEM gets his ideas from Limbaugh or Beck, you really are new around here. But please, call me a bunch of names, too, because we obviously need to be enemies too. It's productive, even though we probably agree on every policy issue under the sun.
Man, oh man.
September 10, 2009 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just as he himself commented on another blog page, I am using irrational hyperbole to combat irrational hyperbole.
Every post he has made on this thread, along with clearthinker, has been trolling flame bait. He is not here to contribute to conversation, or have any sort of intellectual debate, with ANYONE, and I don't think it's unreasonable for anyone who thinks that his bullshit is unacceptable to call him out on it, particularly the ridiculous (and constant) rules lawyering.
September 10, 2009 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
So you went out and got yourself a shiny new identity to really stick to us old school. You are the king!
September 10, 2009 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who are you talking to? Do you think KR is me? hahahahahahaha......
September 10, 2009 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was talking to KR. You'll notice by the line that says: "Posted by jason everett miller in reply to a comment from King Radical"
September 10, 2009 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
This Stephen King/Richard Bachman thing is a bit amusing.
September 10, 2009 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Mother?"
September 10, 2009 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe I am who you think I am.
September 10, 2009 4:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
More selective quoting from the contextually challenged.
You might want to brush up on the word troll as well.Check and mate.September 10, 2009 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh how blindly arrogant of you. In how many ways are you a troll? Well, let's find out.
Hm, lets see. Any apparent thread relevance? No. Meant to bait further comments? Yes. I believe, sir, you have been caught Red HandedClearly, you are butthurt about this one, and are hoping to arouse further off-topic discussion on this blog.
I'm really not sure what an SNL skit about cowbell and Blue Oyster Cult has to do with anything on that page. Troll, much?
Not-So-Veiled attempt at calling someone a hypocrite. Very nice, please, continue to sit on your high horse of mockery. Nobody takes you seriously, and you're doing all of my work of completely discrediting you for me.
Very nice. Don't call someone an idiot. Just put that word in their head by saying something else with the same essential meaning. I'm pretty sure, by your own words, that you have just violated your such beloved rules of TPM commenting! Oh dear!
I could go on and on, and on, and on, and on. But you seem to be doing such a darn good job of making yourself look like a tool, that I really don't have to do much of anything.
September 10, 2009 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice try, but that doesn't change the results of this particular game.
September 10, 2009 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Refusing to admit you have lost does not change the results, either. It just makes you a poor loser.
September 10, 2009 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
At least I didn't need to make up a new identity to finish the game.
September 10, 2009 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
a new identity? Clearly, you are mistaken, sir.
TPM Comment Policy.
September 10, 2009 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word.
September 10, 2009 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what this is really great! You are great at catching trolls and jamming it right back at them! KR Rocks!
September 10, 2009 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Notice the lack of history at TPM and the overly aggressive manner designed to elicit similarly emotional reactions from those he/she targets for trolling. Another textbook case of troll meets troll.
September 10, 2009 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well JEM he might have a lack of history at TPM, but he doesn't have a lack of history with me. I know him and I know him very well indeed, I invited him to join in the fray, he happens to be one of the smartest people I know, and he is extremely funny, I could go on and on but I won't. :)
September 10, 2009 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't change the fact that "he" is a troll.
September 10, 2009 4:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pot, meet kettle.
September 10, 2009 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
You still aren't getting the grammar quite right. It's more like: Pot meet Kettle. No comma needed.
September 10, 2009 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am simply improving on the original. Adding the comma there makes it absolutely clear that I am introducing Kettle to Pot, rather than possibly making a malformed statement that Pot and Kettle have met.
2. Use commas after introductory a) clauses, b) phrases, or c) words that come before the main clause.
Now we really are getting petty.
September 10, 2009 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
You started it.
September 10, 2009 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Play him off, keyboard cat.
September 10, 2009 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
So are you saying you don't think you are the self-appointed muckraker moderator, because that is what you came here for right. Why do you think Dungeon Master is derogatory? And then you continued didn't you Jason, and you just happened to stumble upon a place where the blog author (me) hates the tom foolery that is a winger. The self appointed moderator, the grand but benevolent king who is merely here to set the record straight, merely here to let everyone know how to do things right and what to say and how to respond to others. Why I should just quit writing all together, right, because you Jason originally told me to stop. Ramona of course was not attacked at all, but because I think there are small number of the loudmouthed miscreants, you tell me, no demand of me, in your condescending self appointed moderator way, that I should quit writing. Implying there is no reason for my blog and you've just come to make sure I am put in my place. Guess what JEM, the douchiness that is your attitude is truly astounding. I can do without the lectures, and I don't take orders from anyone, especially some overly moral lecturer, who seems to consider himself "the one". Like I said before, you come here, I would never in a million years read any blog you would write, I don't care what you think, I don't care what you write, I don't care about your perspective, I don't care about any of it, the fact is like I mentioned to CT, I don't even know if you blog at all, I just know you come to blow up others blogs. I know I don't like those actions.
September 10, 2009 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Flame on.
September 10, 2009 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't fall for code-speak.
And if you don't know what that is, then you're not yet out of your twenties.
The fact is that these far-right lunatic fringe loons don't listen, except when they hear THEIR language. And they don't understand unless what one says is in THEIR language.
To put it anohter way: About the only chance of reaching them is to give them a taste of their own medicine. Perhaps then -- when THEY know what it feels like -- they'll stop doing it.
Either way, I'm not about to be civil and walked over by thugs who view civility as weakness. Do unto them as they do unto others because that's how they want to be done unto -- but do it with with greater wit, intelligence, reason, and hammer.
September 14, 2009 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
You must have not learned from your twenties if you think that responding to crazy with crazy does anything but make the fight worse and rarely solves a thing.
It does have easily anticipate collateral damage, however, as persuadable voters not embroiled in the fight tend to go for the home team when pushed by hyperbolic broad-brush statements.
The way to mitigate the far right fringe is to convert the moderate middle to your cause, which the tactics you outline does little but widen our divisions.
September 14, 2009 10:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I beg (not actually) to differ:
Either they learn, or they shut up. The first is preferred, the latter is acceptable.
As for the "middle": those on the fence look at both (assuming only two) sides and make their decision which way they will go. Proving one's point matters; how one does so, or what the tone in doing so, is way down on the list titled "Relevant" to those who think and prefer fact when one is being thoughtful and factual.
You're free of course to take exception. But isn't that the most of what you do here -- seek "reason" to disapprove?
September 14, 2009 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
If the message is lost due to the medium, has communication really occurred?
Sounds like mental masturbation to me - feels good but is ultimately meaningless and can be counterproductive to larger goals.
I would ask you to list some significant accomplishments by political leaders who uses your tactics to a desired end, but that would futile.
September 14, 2009 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
The message isn't lost because of the medium. The message gets through:
Either the person learns, or the person SstFU. The first is preferred, the latter will do, either is preferable to allowing the poison to be spewed unchallenged in terms the poisoner can understand.
And I learned the method during my 40s, and have been at it for over twenty years.
Believe me, I too can lecture. But I don't go pantywaist about it.
September 14, 2009 11:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
When has any American ever shut the fuck up in the history of this country in response to aggressive tactics?
Not sure what country you live in, but here we tend to hit back first and ask questions later. Self-restraint has never been high on the list of American traits on the left or right.
Mostly you seem to be missing much of the underlying context to the grassroots because you are so focused on the most recalcitrant assholes as the basis for your tactics.
Too much time spent staring into the abyss I suspect.
September 14, 2009 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a wonder we didn't start as a group, sooner, really. For decades now, we've been taking their shit, and only a small handful have been responding in kind. And now that we've had enough, suddenly we are the hypocrites?
Anyway, keep fighting the good fight! We're all with you, now!
September 10, 2009 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keep it hot and blow up the spot!
September 9, 2009 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Said with the beauty of great Advertising! That should have been my title!!!!
September 9, 2009 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/
September 9, 2009 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
OmG, they are so funny, I'd forgotten about those two but they did this thing about Sarah Palin... thanks for the link johnnie!
September 9, 2009 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I see that our President is going to take on the bullies as well, so I see he doesn't disagree with me at all....
No more laying down for the lies of the Right, they are wrecking the country, it is time to put an end to this madness.
September 9, 2009 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
oy
He brought a brick bat, but maybe he needed a cannon
We'll see
September 9, 2009 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll loan him my shoulder fired rocket. That should help, but the Repub response was miserably bad.. that guy is a typical republican loon. Poor Louisiana, first they get Huey P. Long, then that dufus mayor of New Orleans, then Bobby "Kenneth Page" Jindahl, David Vitter and this dude... sheesh
September 9, 2009 9:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's unreal, how utterly vile they are.
September 9, 2009 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are and what about that moron who called the President a liar during the speech, WTF was that?
September 9, 2009 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was rude, and possibly censure material. Even Republicans are disgusted.
Wilson, SC
September 9, 2009 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was rude and OMG, that is where this has devolved, yelling in the chamber while the president speaks, wow, just wow.
September 9, 2009 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Joe Wilson needs to learn that it's Freedom of SPEECH, not Freedom of SCREECH. What did Van Jones call Republicans? Oh yeah...
Exhibit A = Joe Wilson
Lawyer: "Your honor, I'm handing Exhibit A to Van Jones for identification. Mr. Jones, do you recognize Exhibit A?"
Mr. Jones: "Yes, I do."
Lawyer: "What is it?"
Mr. Jones: "It's an a-hole."
Lawyer: "Your honor, I rest my case."
From one "mean" girl to another -- right on!
September 10, 2009 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL, or actually, ROTHLMAO! Nicely delivered!
September 10, 2009 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
As a survivor of the 'testosterone zone' in college myself, carry on your way. I know exactly how yer belly fire got it's first spark.
I might not join in every scrap, but then, I'm not Irish. ;o)
September 9, 2009 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, that made me laugh, thanks flowerchild!
September 9, 2009 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love you, T, for having the balls I don't have.
Like Bwak, I got your back.
September 9, 2009 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Lis! I am old that is probably why! But I appreciate all the humans who feel like I do, we have something to defend, I don't mind being one of the obnoxious ones, I've learned it over years of being with men almost exclusively in class and in the work place. But I will also say there were several male professors who were my mentors and supported me entirely, helped me get into grad school and supported my ideas without them and the women who also supported me, I never would have achieved those small but important things I achieved.
September 9, 2009 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm turning 45 next month. I ain't young.
But thanks to you, and others like you, I'm continuing to find my voice.
More power to ya, honey.
Same goes to milquetoast men.
September 10, 2009 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well we are close, I will be 47 in a week and a half.
September 10, 2009 1:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
And you call yourself old.
Psshaw.
September 10, 2009 1:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
What did you do? Oh my favorite avatar is back!!! Ha!!1
September 10, 2009 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Which one? I could swear that the "ethereal" one was on here last night.
September 10, 2009 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
As one grows older, and ractices unlearning, one discovers nonsenses one was taught, but which don't actually make sense, or don't do one much good. So you say, "Fuck that!" slough it off, and walk on a little lighter in one's step.
And perhaps even humming some wild tune punctuated with joyful giggles.
September 10, 2009 2:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes I think this is true J. Quite true.
September 10, 2009 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
You go girl! Keep the fire, fight the fight and realize that you are entitled to a vacation (or bike ride) when you need it!
September 9, 2009 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks AJ, I try to take that bike ride every single day, it is where I think up my blogs! And amazingly I am heading to HK, Manila and the Gold Coast and I've been invited to ride my bike in Singapore in Feb! So the vacation will arrive, but I will miss posting at TPM for that month, reading everyone else.
September 9, 2009 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I won't try to change you; actually, I enjoy your passion.
I do have a different question, though. If you are anxious for a fight against those who voice disagreement, and jump into attack mode at first opportunity, how do you learn from the opposing side (just in case you might not be 100% correct at first)?
I am quite liberal with respect to many social issues; quite conservative on many fiscal issues. I still enjoy the interchanges on this site, even though I will often disagree. I can say I have learned during the process.
September 9, 2009 10:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
John that depends on their first foray into the battlefield. I mean if it's an honest discussion they usually begin with an honest question or whatever. Mostly these guys come in and lecture and tell me not to write what I am writing, etc, so I get mad and then I write mad. I have some friends who might be considered conservative in some circles, but they are never looking for a fight and we can always discuss issues over great wine and food.
September 9, 2009 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
John,
Actually, she lies in response to you. Or at least what she thinks she does is not what actually happens.
You can see for yourself here.
And this notion of wine and dine? Probably want you to pick up the tab... after all chivalry ain't dead, right? ;-)
September 9, 2009 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks, ClearThinker, but I'll come to my own conclusions based on my own experiences. I saw (and commented on) the abortion thread. I have no complaints about tmc from my experience.
September 9, 2009 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guess she didn't call you a douchey asshole for asking a question.
September 10, 2009 6:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Heh. We had over a year to learn about you.
You're going to make judgments about T and start advising others on how to treat her after so short a time?
September 10, 2009 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes Lis it is a competition to him isn't it, he really is my very own fanboy though which is quite flattering! Even if he won't admit how much he loves everything I write. Like I said it is clearly my winning personality and respect for conservatives that does it for him, plus I complement him continuously. :)
September 10, 2009 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oooh, I think he liiiiiiiikes you....he's gonna kiiiiiiiiiiiiisss you....
Welcome to the club, T.
Heh. ;)
September 10, 2009 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
He does really really like me.... he does really want to kiss me.... ewww....
September 10, 2009 1:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tm and ct sittin' in a tree...
September 10, 2009 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
LOL! I think he will go away now, I mean he doesn't want anyone to know he loves me, what is his conjoined twin finds out!
September 10, 2009 9:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yez, methinks he doth protest too much! :-{)>
September 10, 2009 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
From what I can see, that's not a lie at all. You didn't ask an honest question, you didn't come in looking for a real discussion. You came in looking to spread your own point of view in a rather douchy way, and have reaped exactly what you have sown.
September 10, 2009 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Douchy?
September 10, 2009 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think you are obnoxious OR mean.
What's wrong with being "argumentative" and "in your face?" Those are great qualities as long as they are backed up with facts and honesty (both of which you have in spades!) In short, those are the qualities that make you a great blogger.
Glad you're here! Yes I am!
September 9, 2009 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks C!
September 9, 2009 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Text book example. Not sure you aren't doing more harm than good to your party and I am pretty sure the president never called anyone a douche, but flame on.
September 9, 2009 10:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny how I never come to your musings and harass you, but like I said it is my winning personality and not looking like constipated Michael Kinsley.
September 9, 2009 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe you don't show up because you don't believe you have anything to contribute? Or not care about the topic? Who knows?
The joke is that this isn't "your" little corner of the web. It's a 3rd party site and set up as a forum. That point seems lost on you.
For a woman, you are sure territorial. How patriarchal of you.
September 9, 2009 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
For a woman, you are sure territorial. How patriarchal of you.
This is what Quinn is always talking about. Taking the attacks personal. This has nothing to do with anything you are just making a blanket sexist comment to bait.
why? where do you want to go with that bait? She ain't going to back down so eventually you will blow up.
What the fuck? This is not healthy behavior.
It's cliche, but you know that you are only hurting yourself here.
September 10, 2009 12:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you call that personal, then what to make of your behavior down thread?
I do note that you wrote this after you were called out on the picture comment, so maybe this is a way to diminish me to make yourself feel better?
Anyway... I'm sure that tmccarthy0 would tell you she can take care of herself.
September 10, 2009 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am sure she fucking can.
My comment stands, written when I first saw yours. I don't know what your game is, but healthy it ain't.
September 10, 2009 12:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mirror. Shiny thing that hangs on a wall.
September 10, 2009 6:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
The word for "CT" is Troll.
September 10, 2009 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
To He Who Doth Protesteth (and then leave) Too Much (only to come back again):
Can you do me a big favor, CT, and read that paragraph over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again? Until it sinks in that TPM is also not YOUR little corner of the web?
Well.....this one's so laughable, I'll just laugh.
Or just call you MATriarchal in response. I'm not sure yet. Give me until morning, and maybe then I'll stop hiccuping and decide.
Oy.
September 10, 2009 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
constipated Michael Kinsley.
Holy shit, that is the funniest thing I have read all week. You nailed that pic!
September 9, 2009 11:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks I was wondering if anyone would notice. :)
September 9, 2009 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. In your parlance, ragging on Jason's picture is mighty douchey of you. Jason can speak up for himself of course (and I'm sure he will), but seriously is this shit now acceptable and applauded?
September 10, 2009 1:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Jeebus, WTF, did you read the comment or not I said "I didn't look like a constipated Michael Kinsley", so you can take it how you want to take it. But yeah, when you come specifically to hi-jack the thread as JEM and CT always do then you get what you get. I mentioned in my post how argumentative, obnoxious and in-your-face I am, oh yeah and mean too, you didn't misread it at all, so what did you think the comment section would be like, it isn't civil when your blog gets hi-jacked daily, and no I won't be civil. It isn't in my bones anymore.
September 10, 2009 1:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Again with the unfounded accusations of "hijacking" a thread by asking a simple question that fell outside of your fairly biased thesis and then protecting ourselves when you went ballistic.
"Your blog" is on a public site that allows you to turn comments if you like, but doesn't allow you to simply get rid of ones you don't like. The Terms of Use are pretty straightforward as is the commenting policy.
Neither of which you think apply to you, apparently.
September 10, 2009 6:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, Saladin, I break a rule I've had for myself, I'm stepping in. I know you and Jason have had it out recently -- and maybe longer than that, but your comment validates that it's okay to make fun of someone's looks.
I think tmccarthy0 is an anomaly around here, but I really felt saddened by your response to her comment: Jason posted a picture of himself; you'd think that would be off limits as an object of ridicule.
Has TPM sunk to the level where it's okay to make fun of what people look like?
I can only imagine what some of the "ladies" around here would do if some of their personal photos were brought under ridicule. There would be screams to terminate accounts, wouldn't there?
Anyway, wanted to share it with you -- and I did because (a) you are a regular and (b) you seem like a reasonable person.
September 9, 2009 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't pick his pict. How the hell do I know what he looks like. He brought that image into my domain. Shit I loved his Teddy avatar, made me feel affectionate towards his progressive republicanism.
I don't mean JEM any harm from it, and yes we are on the outs becuase I don't much care for his verbosity without logic. He doesn't like me either these days because I narrow the discussion down (tired of the whack a mole). But Frankly, the picture does look like a constipated Michael Kinsly. And that shit is funny.
So sorry. At least I didn't comment on his marriage or make judgments about his station in life. Just the photo he chose to share.
September 10, 2009 12:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
p.s. CT i am a reasonable person but if you are looking for a friend here you should know that I do not trust you and I will never trust you. But I will continue to read some of your intelligent comments like in C's blog today, because shit like that is what cuased me to start hanging out here.
Anyway just thought we should be clear.
September 10, 2009 12:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not looking for friends here.
It just really bothered (and saddened) me that one of the regulars here made fun of someone's looks. It's really as simple as that. (I'm not hitting the "abuse button"... because it bothers me more than that.)
And -- despite all the "gender equality" stuff -- I suspect if one of the other people who have an actual picture of themselves here was ridiculed for their looks, we'd see quite a different response. Hell, I think it someone ridiculed a photo of Obama for any reason I think there'd be more of an outcry.
Go after Jason for his opinions, his use of Loki, his style, his logic, whatever. Ridicule his looks? I really think that's in a different bin. He deserves better. We all do.
September 10, 2009 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Troll.
September 10, 2009 2:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Touche!
September 10, 2009 8:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
You didn't pic his picture?
Serious?
That's like saying you aren't responsible for his looks.
Your retort is quite weak, but I will explain this for you; especially since you yourself said you didn't read all the comments. I never made fun of Bwak being divorced and only brought it up as evidence of how I knew about her relative wealth (it had come up in a previous conversation). I'm quite sure she is happy you keep bringing this up, however.
To review: I didn't make fun of someone for their life. You did.
Frankly, the rest of your response reads like a person who knows they are guilty and feels bad enough about it not to want to deal with the actual deed.
For what it's worth, you'll note I never made the comment to tmccarth0, but seriously, I thought more highly of you.
September 10, 2009 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
And for the record CT, all I said was I didn't look like a constipated Michael Kinsley, you can read into that what you want.
September 10, 2009 12:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't worry, Therese, you aren't even worth hitting the abuse button for.
September 10, 2009 12:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Teresa is the name, not Therese. The Irish don't use the h.
September 10, 2009 1:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, how'd he find that? I think that there's a word for that:
Stalking.
It is certainly against the ToS here.
September 10, 2009 8:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
He loves me, I think that is the only explanation! Hahahahaha...
September 10, 2009 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, Bwak, it's not called stalking. It's called reading and retaining information from a blog posted all of two weeks ago. Not that hard to do, really.
September 10, 2009 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Freaking awesome.
September 10, 2009 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not really retaining all that well, though, clearly.
September 10, 2009 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
And actually, Therese, since you posted that reply, you also posted this response to Saladin so even your transparent "innocent kid" routine is blown. But as I said before, you're on your own trip and I really do not care what you post. You'll eventually find the audience you seek, I'm sure.
September 10, 2009 1:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well you keep showing up, what is what about.
September 10, 2009 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
PS Therese is the French form of Teresa, I did have a professor once who would only call me Therese, which is a beautiful name, so carry on fanboy, I look forward to meeting with you again soon, at another blog or tomorrow on mine.
September 10, 2009 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like her audience one hell of a lot more than I like yours.
Oh....wait.....
September 10, 2009 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
She did not make fun of his looks, she made fun of his avatar. Constipated Michael Kinsley is a dead on statement and extraordinarily funny. Jason's choice for his avatar is a terrible photo (very contorted-shot too close with wide angle lens). I've seen another photo of jason and this one is not representative of his looks. I've told him as much.
September 10, 2009 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think I will listen to my wife's opinion on my looks and this photo before some anonymous poster on the internet, but thanks for the feedback.
September 10, 2009 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, there's a biased source, Jason! :-{)>
September 10, 2009 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I could ask my mom if that would help. :O)
September 10, 2009 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh sure! Now you got two! :-{)>
September 10, 2009 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
The new avatar is kinduva Robert Deniro look. You're gonna scare people!
September 10, 2009 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I call it the "Stink Eye" in homage to Juno.
September 11, 2009 6:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
No the cringe you might be reading is that I might have made an enemy for life out of JEM and that was not really what I intended. However that pict is funny and he did choose it. weak as that may seem I stand by it.
I am certain he has better photos out there that he could choose if it really bothers him. I don't much care. Its funny.
The anonymity of the internet is to blame I guess.
Night. I would suggest you take a step back from the personal antagonist comment you wrote above this one though. It aint healthy.
September 10, 2009 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh if he and I were arguing in person I'd say it to his face, ask anyone who knows me.
September 10, 2009 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I feel like I did say it to his face.
I have told JEM the same thing when we have gotten into it before- he could ask anybody. I am not known to hold my tongue in front of fools or back down (can be a double edge sword though: it's half the reason they sucker me into their rabbit holes anyway).
Anyway, that was just flat out funny. You rock!
September 10, 2009 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. It's just, well you know, that is just what that picture looks like! Maybe it is Michael Kinsley how the hell do I know what jem looks like!!!! Hahahaha.... I laughed when I wrote it.
September 10, 2009 1:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yet, when Dijamo called you on it you claimed you were talking about yourself. Which is it?
September 10, 2009 8:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
You would call me a douchey asshole to my face or that I look like a constipated Michael Kinsey to my face?
Oh, wait, you are the one who doesn't look like Kinsey. Or you do look him, but only when he is constipated?
Now I am just confused as you have offered so many different explanations for a fairly weak insult.
September 10, 2009 8:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Now he has to choose better pictures of himself -- so that you won't make fun of them?
Cognitive dissonance is an awful thing.
In my view, I think JEM will be bigger than most here. He has a far thicker skin than most here -- probably because he is secure in himself, certainly more than most here.
Was it just the other day that we heard how hard it was to hit the "submit" button and there should be more empathy apparent on TPM?
And now you want to claim that it's Jason's fault you ridiculed his looks? Where's the empathy??? I mean, even if you thought the picture or the comment funny and laughed, did you have to go to the physical effort to type it down and share it?
tmccarthy0 said above that words can't hurt unless you let them. By that logic there is absolutely no reason for the "Report Abuse" button since words are all we have on this forum. But lord knows there's a group of people who claim to hit that button to the point that TPM may not even pay attention to them at this point. Wonder if any of them felt like I did?
Personally I was just letting you know my actual feelings. It really did bother me as I feel that you post interesting stuff -- who cares about the Internet scraps? -- but that comment was really different for me. You and Jason can work out your comment how ever you two see fit.