The Incredible Madness of Being GOP: The Facebook Smack Down of a Former Friend
I've had Facebook discussions with Tom previously. He is conservative but after yesterday's Facebook smack down and reading about the vile things tweeted by the King of Hate Andrew Breitbart I am convinced that Tom the former friend is really just another idiotic, decency free, human being (and I use that term lightly with him) really! And of course those character traits are perfect for a reader of Breitbarts, in fact they are probably required. Tom usually angers me to no end. So yesterday I was preparing for my daily bicycle ride, I usually ride 25 miles at least 4 days a week, sometimes more, I was perusing Facebook. I saw my friend Suzanne's front page; she said something nice about Ted Kennedy. I liked the item, and clicked the thumbs up button, at the same time I ventured to her page to read the other comments. It was disappointing to say the very least. The decency free minions were already on the attack.
The first comment was by our friend Rod. This was relatively disappointing to me because I didn't think Rod was a winger. So this is how it went.
Rod never would have thought I would have learned about a major news event like this on FB, but I have! In any case, I am curious what the reaction of Mary Jo Kopechne's family is.
Next was Tom's reply.
Tom I am sad to see he never was held accountable for killing her.
Ok, when I read this I became very angry. I inbox Suzanne, I can't believe what they've written! She can't either. I told her I was going to go for my ride and then decide how I would respond to them. She said, "Do it"! I have to say I rode 31 miles yesterday because I was angry. All 31 miles I thought about what I would write. Here is how it went:
Teresa Occasionally the better part of valor or decorum calls for silence from political opponents. I take no comfort in knowing that there are always those would not let the dead rest not even for 24 hours. So I lift my shot of Jamieson to you Rod and Tom, hoping that nothing ever befalls your own family, hoping no child, no wife, no brother, no sister makes a grievous mistake, here is hoping you never have to live with that shame. Here is hoping that if there is a God, you are forgiven for you own inability to believe the words of "There but for the grace of God go I".
I felt pretty sure my response to them should end anymore derogatory statements about Sen. Kennedy, but alas I was wrong.
Tom Well said. I would just hope that all our friends or family members would show sound character and sorrow if tehy have commited a grievous mistake. The true test of character is how we behave in times of adversity. In this adverse situation a young woman died and TK went to the hotel to get a good nights sleep.
Yes those are with his typo's you might as well see a winger in full regalia, including an inability to edit.
I was really angered yet again. So I took a half hour or so to compose a response to a friend who was about to be un-friended, or deleted, or whatever it is. It is great to have that option!
Teresa "Watch your thoughts,
for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny."
Mark Twain
I will repeat what I wrote, I take no comfort Tom in knowing that there are always
those who will not let the dead rest not even for 24 hours. I will add, in that
you will use an occasion such as this to get in one last political shot, to
diminish a life, make sure everything is overshadowed by the event that never
touched your life personally says much more about the quality your own
character than you may know.
Yes this was enough Tom did not respond again. I think I finally humiliated him enough to get him to stop, to check himself; my real hope is that he is embarrassed, I was embarrassed for him. It is amazing to me that these folks have no idea when to self censor. But now I know, he was reading Andrew Breitbart! Anybody who reads Breitbart and follows his instruction can never be a friend of mine.
















Teresa - these people do not now, and never in their lives have, given a tinker's damn about Mary Jo Kopechne. She was useful to them only in the sense that because they opposed Sen. Kennedy's stance on issues, she was a "useful tool" of attack. There is not a one of them who would have given the young woman the time of day at any point in her life if things had not gone as they had on that tragic night.
And how much more tragic even than her untimely death is that, that she has become merely a cudgel for hatred-filled blowhards, those who seek to negate the good someone has done in public life?
And I too have had Facebook confrontations, and even "unfriended" someone over one. And removed him from my LinkedIn connections list as well. I'm resisting the temptation to delete my recommendation for him, because I still respect the work he does on a project I'm involved in, though I no longer respect him as an individual.
It happens. I'll get over the annoyance. I suspect you're made of better stuff and will do so in your own time as well.
August 27, 2009 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly, these loons are just using Ms. Kopechne for their own purposes, to just one more time get another pot shot in, but I do think I embarrassed him and that was my intention. Sometimes embarrassment is all it takes to shut them down. He is just another lunkhead who I guess I would rather not associate myself with. This is what makes that delete button so awesome. It makes you feel good! So now I am off for my regular ride. I am calmer today, writing about things like that always makes me feel calmer.
August 27, 2009 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
On a side note, it amazes me how the majority of Facebook users seem to be Republicans. Whenever I take part in one of those Facebook votes, my liberal choices seem to be in the minority.
August 27, 2009 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Lis, but maybe it says there sure are a number of republicans who take FB polls! I hear they've practically taken over twitter, so I've made a commitment to tweet something liberal at least once a day. I always cross post to my FB page, just in case.
August 27, 2009 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've never twittered (or is that twitted??) and I don't plan to. But I'm glad you and Rachel Maddow are there to represent. :-)
August 27, 2009 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
tweeted
August 27, 2009 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's called "tweeting' lis....get with it! Where's your cool girlfriend???
August 27, 2009 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Steven Colbert says it's "twatted." That's what I'm sticking with.
August 27, 2009 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are sooooooo naughty! Bu then I guess that's one of the things I love about you!
August 27, 2009 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL!!!!
August 27, 2009 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
AOL is the same way!
August 27, 2009 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, they do take over things. Jus tlike in Congress, a mere 40 of them and you would think they still owned the place, but i guess the Dems are not acting like they do own it, so ... nature abhors a vacuum.
August 28, 2009 1:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
They sure aren't, I hope they get their backbone soon!
August 28, 2009 8:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let it go. You will find people frame things in the way that suits their worldview. It's convenient, and the way all peoples' minds are grooved. Ted Kennedy did a lot of good for a lot of people that he didn't have to give a shit about, and he did. That's enough of a reason to honor him, in my opinion. Actually, there's hardly any better reason to honor anybody, than that.
August 27, 2009 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
I let it go by writing about it. Thank you TPM!
August 27, 2009 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for sharing that story, T.
August 27, 2009 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for reading G. :)
August 27, 2009 10:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
So in typically tolerant, celebrate diversity, liberal fashion, you delete as friends anyone who does not share your political views. Classy! The truth, like it or not, is that Ted did many deplorable things in his personal life, he was an alcoholic, a philanderer, and routinely harassed waitresses and others. You ignore the bad because you liked the political agenda he supported. That is your right, but don't expect that everyone feels the same, especially those who opposed his agenda. I take no joy that death removed him from office, but I would have celebrated had the voters done so.
August 27, 2009 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
The truth is you're neither a bulldog nor clever.
August 27, 2009 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Would that just one of our TPM right wing blowhards would exhibit just a bit of the outrage they display at any convenient Democrat going back for 40 years or more, yet directed instead at the Republican Party and the Bush Administration.
It would be nice to see a little remorse for the Republican accountability in the deaths of thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of other innocent souls who were sent to early graves by George W. Bush. I have never seen it. Sadly, they have no regrets, no understanding, no conscience.
Oh, MiddleClassBill says we should not live in the past. Except for Mary Jo, or (fill in the blank). Republicans have long memories for everything political, except for the broken promises, the lies and the failures of their own party and its leaders.
August 27, 2009 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perfectly presented! Yeah, Dems, don't live 8 years ago, live 40!!!
August 28, 2009 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ditto for the democratic die-hards. Perhaps you might point that mirror at yourself for once?
August 28, 2009 6:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are there any posts you can just lay off that show how the GOP fucked up enormously?
It would be nice to see a little remorse for the Republican accountability in the deaths of thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of other innocent souls who were sent to early graves by George W. Bush. I have never seen it. Sadly, they have no regrets, no understanding, no conscience.
Where did a Dem President in recent memory ever make such a colossal mistake? Carter in the Mid-East? The hostages survived. Clinton in Kosovo? Umm. No body count to speak of there.
Seriously, JEM, are you suggesting that because, and I will argue against the notion, but for arguments sake here, just pretend the performances of Dems and GOPs are equal, that since they are equal the GOP should not express "any regrets, understanding or conscience>"
August 28, 2009 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Both Vietnam and Korea were democratic wars escalated by the most venerated of modern democratic presidents.
Democrats supported just about every Cold War fiasco we ever embarked upon, no matter who was in the White House at any given moment. Clinton was responsible for hundreds of thousands of Iraqi dead by maintaining the no-fly zones. His inattention to Rwanda and East Timor was no joke either with regards to lives torn apart.
Nothing in our history is so black and white that any one side apologizing could ever be enough.
August 28, 2009 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point, if we go back 40 years, Dems were wrong too. If we go back 40 years ago, Ted Kennedy was an irresponsible drunk and a womanizer who somehow contributed to the death of Mary Jo Kopechne too.
How about we just stop repeating this juvenile, "Dems did it too" banter and get a GOP admission, first step, so we can heal. BTW, plenty of Dems voted for the war, I know, but the origin of the decision was the Bush Regime and as the GOP stood unreservedly beside him, they should be mimicing Ted Kennedy and seek atonement.
August 28, 2009 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
When was the last time any political party provided a mea culpa as the price for being destroyed at the polls. Losing power is the mea culpa. This isn't on republicans anymore. It is on democrats. Sorry, but the is the price of victory if you are a progressive.
August 28, 2009 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Dems do not own this. They are the ones cleaning it up.
August 28, 2009 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagreed with many things Bush did, but there is a difference between a policy decision that leads to deaths and a personal criminal act that leads to a death. Kennedy broke the law and killed someone, then used his family connections to escape any consequences. Bush was the President, he made some stupid decisions, but as the President he had the right to make those decisions. Kennedy did not have the right to drown a girl.
August 28, 2009 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
"...but as the President he had the right to make those decisions."
That's awesome! You'r my hero! NOT!!!
August 28, 2009 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good grief! Ted Kennedy spent his life atoning for Mary Jo. He most likely SAVED 100s if not 10,000s of lives through his emphatic and compassionate legislation. How long do you expect him to pay for getting drunk and screwing up? The average sentence for manslaughter is 10-20 years. I'd say 40 years is plenty.
The lack of empathy and forgiveness from the right is disgusting, and low class. You all seem to have a Middle Eastern attitude toward those who would oppose your unrelenting selfishness and self-centeredness. You're out for revenge no matter how ridiculous it may be. YOU didn't know Mary Jo, or her family, does judge not lest you be judged, ring a bell?
Decent people don't act this way. IMO. They know when enough is enough.
August 27, 2009 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yesterday you replied to something OG wrote with this:
Gee. I guess all those abortion protests, where they tried to block access to clinics, and shooting doctors aren't political threats and intimidation.
Or, as OG replied:
Then he politely suggested that you go hang yourself.
I second the suggestion.
August 27, 2009 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wot?
August 27, 2009 9:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Being a clever bulldog, I figured this response was for me, I'll answer the second post.
August 28, 2009 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ooops, bwak - NOT MEANT FOR YOU!
Ack!
Meant for Clever Bulldog. Will repost it now.
I was going to tell you GOOD JOB!
August 27, 2009 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the clarification! I almost passed out when I saw you directed that at Chicken!!!
August 27, 2009 10:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I beg pardon all over the place, stilli. I would never accuse the Chicken of such reprehensible behavior. It was an accident of clicking wrongly, nothing more!
August 27, 2009 11:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ack!
I can haz cheeseburger naow?
August 27, 2009 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can haz 3,958 cheezburgers! Can I add them to my tab? I won't eated them, I promise!
August 27, 2009 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
You want to compare 18 years in prison with 40 years in the Senate? Being a Senator is a privilege few achieve, people spend millions trying to get elected. I have yet to see someone spend millions to get into prison. To equate the 2 is just ridiculous.
August 28, 2009 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yesterday you replied to something OG wrote with this:
Gee. I guess all those abortion protests, where they tried to block access to clinics, and shooting doctors aren't political threats and intimidation.
Or, as OG replied:
Then he politely suggested that you go hang yourself.
I second the suggestion.
August 27, 2009 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think people should carry guns to political rallies, but I don't think it should be illegal to do so. Primarily because I know if we allow that to be banned you will just come up with some other situation where guns needed to be banned to further the goal of completely banning guns in all cases.
As far as my response to the poster who wanted to follow people home and post their names/addresses on the internet for opposing this health care bill, what was the legitimate purpose for that? He is clearly trying to intimidate or threaten people who don't support his agenda. Bringing up other cases where other people intimidated people is not justification for his actions.
August 28, 2009 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh please - cut me a break!
August 27, 2009 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
@theCleverBulldog:
My only comment to you would be Thorazine, look into it.
August 27, 2009 10:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
@theCleverBulldog
I would also add, that people with some sort of dignity and respect for others would just leave their friends facebook pages alone. It was a simple thing, she was mentioned the great things Sen. Kennedy did and like any lunkhead Tom decided that wasn't good enough, diminishing the man was his goal. I'd asked him to give it a rest for one day, one measly day, ONE FUCKING DAY, he didn't have a be a lunkhead. As Abraham Lincoln reminded his peers, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".
August 27, 2009 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to admit a certain ignorance and at the same time ask a compound question. "Who is Andrew Breitbart and how have I had the very fortune never to have read or heard a single thing he's every written or said?" There are things to be said for having led a sheltered life.
August 27, 2009 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, don't even go there.
He's disgusting.
August 27, 2009 9:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Andrew Breitbart sees himself as a tower of intellect, when he is nothing more than a lunkhead and a fool. 'nuf said! I envy you though, because I'd rather not know about him!
August 27, 2009 11:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
He apparently calls himself "Matt Drudge's bitch." How could anyone take him seriously?
August 28, 2009 1:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
OMG, seriously, so he is a professional teabagger!
August 28, 2009 8:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
We have a lot of work to do in representing the truth about Ted Kennedy when these idiots start bringing us back 40 years to one tragic night. I saw a post that suggested, if Ted had gone to jail, we might have missed all his achievements. I'm perfectly happy he was not sent to jail. That would have been a crime.
August 28, 2009 1:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let me get this straight:
- accidentally cause the death of one person 30+ years ago: you're a terrible person
- intentionally, for PROFIT even, cause the deaths of hundreds of THOUSANDS: they were "collateral damage"
I wonder what Tom from Facebook thinks of Shrub's little war.
August 28, 2009 3:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
My Ex-Friend Tom was in full support of Iraq, we used to argue about it, so yes he is not all that smart, but the day of the Senators Death I'd simply had enough, I realized he and I can't be friends. Because I can't be friends with fools. Most of the folks I went to high school with (International School, Manila, Philippines) are the opposite of Tom, there are very few conservatives who were born and raised overseas. But Tom was a short timer, he was there for maybe 2 years, so I guess it is different for those folks. Not that long, by a long timers standards, hell, my folks still live in Manila. But as I age, 46 and counting, I can't put up with stupidity as easily as I did when I was young. Everything I wrote to him was intended to shut him down, period. At least I was able to do that, embarrass him into stopping his Drudge like behavior.
August 28, 2009 9:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I completely understand your situation, T. I have a lot of conservative people in my life and brace myself every time I post something on FB that doesn't fit with their world view. It's hard when you truly want to have dialogue -- with people who agree and disagree with you -- and all you get from those who disagree is nastiness. It doesn't forward the dialogue at all. Hang in there!
August 28, 2009 8:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes it is true. I actually didn't want to dialogue with him after I read what he wrote, I intended to shut him down, it took two tries but I finally did it, but that was my full intention, just to embarrass him, get him to stop, call his own character into question, because when someone dies, you are supposed to know better. But the Breitbart followers can't cause they are stupid and mean.
August 28, 2009 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
That is exactly my experience with the left.
August 28, 2009 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, the evidence is fairly overwhelming that Ted Kennedy was no tin the car when it went off the bridge - that he had exited the vehicle earlier in order to avoid being stopped by the local constable in the car with an unmarried young woman. Apparently Mary Jo - unfamiliar with the oddly-angled bridge, drove off on her own and drowned.
Kennedy did not 'murder' Mary Jo. He merely did what it would appear 100% of republican politicians do when about to get caught with a woman not their wife. They lie.
I believe Ted more than made up for this lapse in judgment over the past 40 years.
August 28, 2009 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice try at inventing history, but your theory is contradicted by one Ted Kennedy himself, who admitted to driving, admitted he drove into the water, and then swam to the shore. But kudos on the attempt at spin.
August 28, 2009 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
TMcCarthy0,
As I got the the bottom of rereading this today I have to laugh. You expose the Right for refusing to take a day off to respect a death and Clever Bulldog is ALL OVER IT!!! Shameless, clueless, and small.
Dear Bulldog, in some way Kennedy fucked up 40 years ago. A woman unintentionally died. It was taken to court, a decision was handed down. Teddy fled the scene. OJ killed his ex-wife. And we move on to something more productive. Or at least, Ted Kennedy did. You, on the other hand, just can't stop bringing it up.
Let them both rest in peace.
August 28, 2009 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like that GregorZap, shameless, clueless, and small. Yes, I do agree, 100%.
August 28, 2009 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink