Military Raping Children
It's official now and not just my fanciful imagination. I've attracted a few right wing trolls with my torturing toddler's testicles posts over the last several months. "Prove it" they said. "You're just making the shit up". "Just because Yoo was asked about it does not mean it actually happened".
Not only did it happen, but there are pictures to prove it.
It happened. Now get on board with prosecuting the folks who instituted the policy of child rape in the name of our country.....unless you're suddenly pro baby rape.
I can't wait for Sean and Rush to play apologist for the child abusers. This is gonna be classic.
Enjoy.
Not only did it happen, but there are pictures to prove it.
It happened. Now get on board with prosecuting the folks who instituted the policy of child rape in the name of our country.....unless you're suddenly pro baby rape.
I can't wait for Sean and Rush to play apologist for the child abusers. This is gonna be classic.
Enjoy.
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You know there is a reason that you can see erect penises on those old Greek vases. There has always been a relation between the 'battle high' and sex.
The adrenaline high.
You send men into war and there are consequences. Raping and pillaging becomes the mantra of comics at times. There is nothing funny about it. It is universal. Every culture, every war.
That said, there are no excuses. There might be mitigating factors.
What happens to a guy who is on his third or fourth tour into hell. What is his mental state.
Every head of state has attempted to sweep such behavior under the rug.
May 28, 2009 12:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dick,
If that’s true, and I believe it is, then the DoD must be completely aware that this is and will be the fruits of war. So, what is their response? Do they encourage it, ignore it, hide it or punish it? Is it don’t ask don’t tell? The military must make decisions based on their knowledge of military strategy and history both in training soldiers and after engagements where incidences of rape and abuse are uncovered.
If atrocities are expected to occur, what does the American government, the military and the civilian leadership, do to stop or minimize that? Or do they encourage it (nod, wink) in furthering demonization of the “enemy”? This isn't a rhetorical question. I'm not sure what to think of our country anymore. I do think the government is acutely aware of every thing happening on the “battlefield” (likely someone’s neighborhood; someone’s home).
I’m aware of coordinated carnage by, say, the Japanese during WWII and before. I have heard first hand accounts of individual atrocities in WWII and Viet Nam. We know of My Lai and other massacres (Colin Powell’s job was to keep a lid on this in Nam). We know of past atrocities in every war, as you say. And it’s not funny, and there are no excuses, as you also say. This is America and this is the 21st century. Atrocities that may have been endemic to battle between primitive tribes or under Genghis Khan or even Hirohito and Hitler are not part of our war aims, are they?
The abuse of detainees began right off the bat in Afghanistan, before torture regimes were even made up. Then there were countless accusations of abuses in Iraq (Haditha, Fallujah, most prison camps) but few resulted in any real disciplinary actions.Of course, these are not the actions of most who serve, but it does seem to be allowed if not encouraged in some places and then policy in others.
These various abuses can't all be lumped into one category, but even where the military prohibits this kind of behavior, they still cover it up when it happens. And isn’t wholesale cover-up worse because it allows it to continue? There is something terribly different from America's past wars in this Great WOT. War crimes were apparently engineered at the top and filtered out and around the world. We are regressing as a country.
Steven Green confessed to raping a 14 y.o. Iraqi girl, then killing her (he had already killed her family while three of his comrades raped the girl). He confessed to his Sargent that night. He was ushered out of the army and THEN put on a show trial in Federal Court in Kentucky and sentenced to life. You can be sure if he had done anything remotely as horrendous in his hometown of Midland, Texas, he’d be sitting on death row. But raping and killing some little raghead bitch when they’re the ones shooting at us isn't the same as hurting an American in civilian life, is it? The life of our “enemy” is worth less than that of our own.
May 28, 2009 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry about the rant (then again, it’s not like this is news anyway).
May 28, 2009 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps this is coincidence, but right next to article on Abu Ghraib rape are ads for "Marilyn Monroe Auction", and "Mike Tyson's Career". Sex, even involuntary (rape) sells.
May 28, 2009 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is in a prison, not in heat of battle. It's a police action, an occupation, not a war. Incredible.
May 28, 2009 10:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Thanks for clearing that up for those still refusing to face the facts.
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May 28, 2009 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
As long as the pictures are hidden the right wing can and will continues to make false claims about how it wasn't really that bad and so on. Withholding the pictures, gruesome as they are, is solely designed to protect the military command that allowed and perhaps encouraged this sickening activity. It also would, if made public, force the administration to open a war crimes investigation which it is mightily resisting and that is another huge incentive for them to keep the pictures (which they said weren't all that bad and just more of the same if you recall)from public scrutiny. They claim people were disciplined or punished for these crimes, but they were not punished as war crimes as they should be. I hope the administration does not get its way on this matter and that the pictures become public. Also, I think Taguba, who is now working for the administration, is being a team player and protecting the admin's flank on this.
May 28, 2009 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
The people they punished were the ones following orders, not the ones influencing their actions. It's obvious from the scope of these abuses that it was INSTITUTIONALLY authorized.
Let us not forget the John Yoo quote about his inability to make a judgment on the legality of the PRESIDENT ordering the torturing of toddler's testicles!!! That question did not come out of the clear blue. There's still more to come. When is enough, enough?
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May 28, 2009 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your blog title is unnecessarily inflammatory. Rape did occur, it was photographed, and the photos are being censored. But to simply headline "Military Raping Children," is provocative and adds nothing to the discussion.
There are problems inherent in war, especially war whose theatre is a civilian population. That is why there are laws of war, prisoner of war conventions, and escalation of force procedures. The problem with opening the floodgate to torture is that it creates an atmosphere where all is permissable. The fault lies in the upper echelons of the command, starting with the civilian leadership.
The other major problem is war's image as a patriotic noble act. Any facts which undermine the myth gets censored or isolated. Even a "realistic" war movie like Saving Private Ryan reveals that the worst thing you can do in combat is be a coward. Never mind the fire bombing of Dresden.
Anyhow, I am rambling. Far better for you to state the fact that a retired military leader is admitting to the existence of rape documentation. What you have done, in an attempt to attack the right wing, is create a headline that calls soldiers "baby-killers."
May 28, 2009 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cosign! Titles should reflect the facts. And while torture occurred, no doubt, it was not official military policy, which the title would seem to suggest.
Best to change the title. Or not rec'd the blog.
May 28, 2009 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree. It was official military policy IMHO, but we'll never know without a full accounting.
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May 28, 2009 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the contrary, there is increasing evidence that torture was government policy. Military personnel were made to, trained to, implement that heinous policy. On a scale of pure evil, turning our people into torturers is only one step below the torture itself.
No more falling back on the 'they were a few bad apples' excuse. This is unimaginably shameful. The architects of this horror must be brought to justice!
May 28, 2009 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
They raped kids. I never said they killed them. Inflammatory? I hope so. Maybe if enough Americans get inflamed there will be prosecutions for the LEADERS that either allowed or encouraged this behavior?
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May 28, 2009 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
From another TPM post quoting Sy Hersch:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/taguba_torture_photos_show_rape
It clearly says BOYS. Are boys not children? My headline says Military Raping CHILDREN. Maybe they raped babies too since there is a quote from Taglibu that has me wondering....
Why do you suppose he added 'every indecency' to his list?
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May 28, 2009 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
The ENTIRE military?
May 28, 2009 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink