An End to the Illegal Smile?
Over at Balloon Juice is a discussion on the subject of marijuana and employment that I bumped into, spurred by an original post from The Agitator , which pointed to this ad being pushed by our government blog on drug abuse, Pushing Back. The Agitator article highlights this comment from Bruce Mirkin over at the Marijuana Policy Project:
Am I being optimistic in thinking there might be a chance that Obama (an admitted INHALER of same) might decriminalize marijuana so people like my old friend Peter McWilliams won't die choking on their own vomit after being forced by government thugs to abandon the only medication abataing the nausea from his AIDS treatments? Peter was literally KILLED by our government for speaking his mind on the subject of marijuana,, passionately and intelligently arguing for it's legalization. His book, Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do is still online for free.
The War on Drugs is the FIRST so called 'war' we need to end. If we can't end an unjust and ill advised war right here in our own backyards, how in the hell are we gonna do the same for an exacerbated situation in Iraq?
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On Nov. 4, voters spectacularly rejected eight years of the most intense government war on marijuana since the days of "Reefer Madness," led by outgoing White House drug czar John Walters -- voting overwhelmingly for a variety of reform proposals, including marijuana decriminalization in Massachusetts and medical marijuana in Michigan.
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By the way, jobs held by people who've acknowledged smoking marijuana include governor of California (Arnold Schwarzenegger), astronomer (Carl Sagan), mayor of New York (Michael Bloomberg), billionaire rock star/songwriter (Paul McCartney), and -- well, you get the point.
Am I being optimistic in thinking there might be a chance that Obama (an admitted INHALER of same) might decriminalize marijuana so people like my old friend Peter McWilliams won't die choking on their own vomit after being forced by government thugs to abandon the only medication abataing the nausea from his AIDS treatments? Peter was literally KILLED by our government for speaking his mind on the subject of marijuana,, passionately and intelligently arguing for it's legalization. His book, Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do is still online for free.
The War on Drugs is the FIRST so called 'war' we need to end. If we can't end an unjust and ill advised war right here in our own backyards, how in the hell are we gonna do the same for an exacerbated situation in Iraq?
Enjoy.
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I'm cautiously hopeful that federal persecution (not prosecution) of med clinics will cease and that front will be left entirely up to the states. I don't think there'll be any federal decrim happening for non-prescribed use -- but again, cautiously optimistic about a lack of federal pressure on those cities who choose to go that route for recreational users. I also think it's possible we might see some federal pressure against mandatory minimums for nonviolent offenders, and against prison/fines for first-time offenders of the same.
I disagree that the war on drugs is a priority for the administration, though. I'll be happy if the above happens, and if we tone down our shit in South America. Rescheduling isn't realistic, though -- the economy, health care, and yes, the war in Iraq, are more important to a majority of Americans and will require the vast majority of political capital the new administration has. Exhausting it on drug policy would be a mistake.
November 12, 2008 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny that. I heard a story on the MSM evening news which was running in the background. It might have been Katie, but the subject was Mexican drug gangs infiltrating and kidnapping in America. The sooner we get back to the free wheeling days of the drug crazed sixties (when drugs were ample and nobody locked their doors....) the better off we'll be.
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November 13, 2008 1:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
As I recall, those drug-related kidnappings were related to American meth dealers not paying their Mexican drug debts. Nobody else needs to be afraid.
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November 13, 2008 1:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not to crap on anyone's parade, but "Cannabis Indica or Sativa" which has undeniable medicinal properties, and is not properly called "marijuana," doesn't need to be smoked to be effective:
Look on eBay under "vaporizer" and see what you'll find.
I haven't smoked in many months, but I am vaporizing as we speak.
I used to enjoy smoking it, but vaporizing it has pointed out some of the nastier components of smoke in general. Anything with moderation.
The ad was typical of the war on drugs efforts: well-meant, but falls woefully short. And it is without any meaning.
November 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word on the street is that VaporGenie is the way to go.
November 12, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're making me hungry for brownies.
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November 13, 2008 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
The successes were so overwhelming that I think we're looking at the possibility of legalization sooner rather than later.
Barney Frank has said on the record more than once that he intends to try to do that - he has the bill drafted already.
We could see it and I expect some loosening, at the very least. I wish the DEA would leave marijuana alone and concentrate on the dangerous shit- meth. That shit makes you seriously psychotic.
In all my years of defending convicted felons,I never knew one who did the crime while just high on marijuana. The idea is laughable - the motivation ain't there. Thinking and talking about it while snacking might happen but that's as far as it would go.
November 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Having been around a couple of pot-smokers (I've never actually tried it myself), I'd argue that although the odds of committing a crime probably don't go up due to smoking marijuana, the odds of getting caught probably do.
November 12, 2008 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everybody...
let's get serious: it's "CANNABIS."
Marijuana is for cops, law-enforcement/ media types.
Of course, you can be one of those that posts here. (;-) )Then I guess it's allowed.
November 12, 2008 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny that? So much of the music I hear the young people listening to makes references to 'the chronic' and 'the purp' that I wasn't even aware that the term cannabis existed outside the labs at the FBI.
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November 13, 2008 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
> "In all my years of defending convicted felons,I never knew one who did the crime while just high on marijuana."
It's not "just getting high"; it's "SELF-MEDICATING."
Unfortunately, not all cannabis users are either wise, or well-educated.
Most don't know what they're doing, only that it works.
Smoking regularly out of tinfoil can be a bit toxic over time.
More research is needed to advance our knowledge of cannabis. It is unbelievable that government ideology is the only reason the people are presently deprived from numerous health benefits, and economic activities associated with such a potent, powerful, and useful plant.
November 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope , it is getting high, or having a beer is self-medicating. Then again, so is taking aspirin.
Recently read a piece about drug deaths in Florida, whose point was that prescription drugs had outstripped illegal drugs as cause of death. Listing deaths from the various drugs we saw numbers for the medical ones, then compared to cocaine, heroin, and meth. Marijuana deaths---zero.
I know of not a single death attributed to a toxic dose of pot, because there is none, that is none a human could ingest before running out of pot, money, or time.
A recent Dutch study questioned lung cancer patients, finding the expected correlation with tobacco, but none with pot.
A study in the 90s, reported in Scientific American, found less absenteeism and turnover among pot-smoking workers than their straight counterparts.
The smoke that is most dangerous to all is the unfiltered smoke from a cigarette tip. It must be, to show as a significant threat to non-smokers. And the smoker breathes more unfiltered smoke than the non-smoker. But this kind of free-burning, room-filling smoke does not typically happen with pot. One has to constantly re-light the pipe, bong, or even joint.
The addiction rate for cannabis (if it really means anything), that is, how many users are habitual and would be really messed up without it, is lower than for any recreational drug, way behind cocaine and heroin, which are both lower than for alcohol.
We see no epidemic of psychosis in countries where it is mostly legal.
It is mild in its effect on driving and other machinery skills, and unlike alcohol, one does in fact sober up instantly under duress. One tends to drive slower when stoned, unlike alchohol. One even tends to drive more carefully, if already drunk, after smoking a bit of weed.
It is safer than aspirin, or beer, or TV. It is not known to correlate with violence, or jumping off of buildings.
The worst thing one can say is that it is less helpful as a party-booster than beer, but it is also less likely to bring the police to shut down a too-boisterous event that is seriously pissing off the neighbors.
Cultivating hemp does threaten the wood-pulp paper industry, which bought legislators in the 30s sufficient to place onerous regulations on preparing it legally. It also threatens the alcohol industry, which is enormous, and tobacco, ditto.
The thousands of years of pot cultivation are enough testimony. I don't wait for no stinkin' laws.
November 12, 2008 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said. Most of that stuff probably applies to 'cannabis' and 'marijuana' as well as pot. Might even be true for all the other slang expressions for Mary Jane as well. But why do you suppose Bushicide is going all ad hominem on Tom?
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November 13, 2008 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Careless mix of facts, omissions (no correlation between lung cancer and pot? were those asked lying?), and misinformation.
November 13, 2008 4:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I admit I've lost the link to that study. But in the Netherlands there is no reason to lie about that particular habit. The incidence of cannabis use among the lung cancer patients was the same as that reported by the population as a whole. The incidence of tobacco use was much higher, as expected.
I suggested a a reason for lack of correlation. Do you have a counter-argument, or a contrary study? Care to identify the misinformation? Care to support your assertions?
November 13, 2008 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm doing my part to advance the research. Do your part to help me understand your comments a little better.
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November 13, 2008 1:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
If cannabis were left alone, and addictive drugs were prescribed as a part of a treatment program, their cost would plummet and there would be no incentive for big-time drug dealers to get new people hooked. Crime would go down, and our law resources could go to protecting us from actual threats.
November 12, 2008 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Common theory. But full of holes.
November 13, 2008 4:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tom Wright,
you're a dolt. And a pothead.
Of course,having a beer, no matter what anyone says, is self-medicating.
Sometimes, we even do it socially. We go to self-medicating "bars" (whatever those might be) to get to gether, and self-medicate hours on end. And hang out; while self-medicating.
Some people (you?) over-do it.
Alcohol, of course, has well-established MEDICINAL PROPERTIES. These properties are useful when the product is used wisely; the same properties are harmful when abused.
Go figure, Tom Wright.
Puritans don't see the world for what it is. They just see it as an evil place to be neutralized:
"Drugs are bad. Suffering is good. Human rights are bad; torture is good. We're bad. But if we cheat, we'll feel good about ourselves."
OK. Enough nonsense. I want my rights now.
November 12, 2008 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, I have no idea what you meant by that. Are you for legalizing cannabis, or against it? Are you for alcohol, or against it? I think you should know that you just wrote some words ( I can hardly call them sentences, nevermind paragraphs) that don't make any sense.
As you said, "enough nonsense." Too bad you didn't apply it to your post. I have the impression that you are under the influence...of what? Ignorance, or some drug. Which is worse?
November 12, 2008 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Smoking regularly out of tinfoil can be a bit toxic over time.
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November 13, 2008 1:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is it the tinfoil that is toxic, or the shaping of the tinfoil as a hat that makes it toxic?
November 13, 2008 5:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Tin and aluminum will both release toxic fumes if put under direct flame. Cub-scout ovens and such are safe because they generally go over coals for a slow burn; lining ovens/BBQs/burners is likewise safe because of the lack of direct flame and better air exchange. Huffing the fumes straight into your lungs over a period of months, years, and so on -- not so safe.
November 13, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm down with ancient herbal remedies, but I seriously doubt that the Obama administration is likely to push for any sort of decriminalization, as smart a thing as it would be in the big picture, at least not early on. It's a complex issue, for sure. As a simplified political analogy, I think of gays in the military for Clinton. Damn good idea, but the timing, maybe not so great. In the present case, I do think Obama has more pressing concerns to deal with. I also think the theatrics are not great -- we finally elect a brother, and he legalizes ganja? I hope I'm wrong, and he does change our approach to the war on some drugs in a big way, as the present approach is frighteningly unproductive, but I'm not holding my breath.
November 12, 2008 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not complex at all, and because Clinton wimped on homosexuals in the military isn't really relevant. Both Clinton and Obama have held joints in their hands, but I doubt either is homosexual.
A larger percentage of Americans have had a joint in their mouths than the dangling bits of a same-sex partner.
Their is no lingering association with AIDS related to pot smoking.
I could go on, but the point is that the medicinal and industrial uses of hemp are profound and a return of sanity to drug laws in America is not, shall we say...a pipe dream.
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November 13, 2008 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
One problem with smoking pot is the increase in lame self-justifying rationalizations.
November 13, 2008 5:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
One problem with not is apparently being uptight about those who do. :) Come on JNagarya, if you're going to harsh on people, bring the science to back it up.
November 13, 2008 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll not engage in the pros and cons of drug use, except to point out that the most dangerous drugs are already legal and that whatever social ramifications you negatively envision don't seem to be affecting the populations where pot is already legal to any extent close to what the collateral damages are for it's prohibition.
Read the UK online. There isn't a week that goes by without a DRUNKEN mob of youth STOMPING some poor bastard to death.
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November 13, 2008 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
One of the first promises Bill Clinton broke was his assurance to medical marijuana patients that they could get their medicine reinstated under the Bush,Sr.-suspended Investigative New Drug protocol. Dozens of patients had been approved when the DEA and HHS pulled the plug on this low-profile legal, federal supply of medicinal herb.
Clinton double-crossed patients--some of whom he had personally promised to help. Obama will too, or I'll quit smoking it myself! The Marijuana Policy Project specifically asked all candidates last year, during the primary races, whether they would halt the federal raids on clinics in states where state law allows medicinal use of cannabis.
Richardson, Kucinich, Dodd, Clinton, Edwards, Gravel, Paul, and even (I think) Tancredo all agreed the feds should stay out. Biden waffled but his whole record has been unsympathetic and if he ends up as President he definitely won't help.
I read Obama's answer carefully. It was artfully phrased to create the impression that he was sympathetic---but he only said the feds shouldn't prosecute "users" and totally dodged the question about whether he would stop the raids on growers and clinics. In politics, the unspoken is often more meaningful than the spoken utterance.
Conclusion: President Obama will continue the DEA raids on state medical cannabis programs. I'd like to be wrong, but denial of therapeutic pot has been a bi-partisan travesty that has lasted since 1972. Drug prohibition is institutionalized like all the rest of the modern high-tech police state, and Obama---"Constitutional scholar" that he once was---has no interest or perceives no political advantage, in altering that reality.
On the other hand: liquor prohibition was ended in 1933 because during the Depression, government at all levels NEEDED REVENUE. Legal, moral, cultural and constitutional arguments had all failed . . . but the prospect of taxable alcohol brought the Noble Experiment to an unexpectedly early end.
Therapeutic use of cannabis is already supported by a large majority of Americans. The Feds won't budge. If the economy keeps sliding, then the point of political vulnerability suggests we advocate across-the-board re-legalization (as a source of revenue)---which will make it easier for the patients along with all the rest of us. And a revived domestic hemp industry would be another economic boost.
Problem is, prohibitionists like JNagarya don't understand the principle underlying civil liberty is that people can make decisions for themselves and don't need "angels in the form of kings" to rule us.
I'm a Jeffersonian on this: "The legitimate powers of government extend only to such acts as are injurious to others. . . Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now [under the coercion of a state-established church]. Thus in France the emetic was once forbidden as medicine, and the potato as an article of food."
November 13, 2008 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like this Jefferson fellow. I understand he also wrote a Bible that totally blows the King James (monarch bastard) version to shreds.
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November 13, 2008 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice work as always, Tim.
Also, I detect an uncanny ability in you to home-in on bipartisan issues, where both parties are extremely weak in their positions.
November 14, 2008 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink