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OK - I'm worried now....
We could be doomed, folks! Already you can see the future. And bleak, bleak, bleak does it appear! We must do something to avert the bleakness. Because if the whigs go down and the trolls keep declining in abilities and getting laid off and generally losing the ability to keep comments from being deleted, then where will TPM be? If the Dems keep standing up and doing the right thing and people like them - and we finally get all the muck cleared and the criminals punished.... TPM will be doomed! The need for TPM will disappear. And with it - us!
What to do? Well, some brave folks may need to start another party. Even a Party party. Where the purpose is to party. They will have to do something to help TPM staff find things to write about. Otherwise it will just be one big love-fest here! And who wants a lovefest? Who will come and read us? Will even we cease to read us if we just like each other and help each other and have fun with each other?
No.... we must not let TPM down. How, oh how, can we change with the times? When the country is back on track and the good times roll. When people reduce carbon and plant gardens and can food and shun sweets. When people volunteer and get health care and even preventive care. And teachers love to teach and kids feel proud to serve their country by finishing school. And services get better and better and people line up for the privilege of paying taxes. And everyone votes. And people stop stealing and shooting each other and prisons empty. When wars stop and and peace breaks out and weapons are no longer needed.
Ok, suddenly, due to that link just above, I'm feeling a bit of relief here. A little glimmer of hope, kind of like a bluebird in springtime. And that sigh that says things could still come out ok. For dd seems to have a limitless imagination - and stories, new and creative ones, will do their part. Then we have the poets among us. We have humor. Surely humor can find topics, even if politics becomes one big lovefest. But we must be prepared. We must look down the road and consider how TPM can survive under conditions of hardship, of less muck, of people doing good deeds and random acts of kindness. Neighbor helping neighbor. Neighbor helping stranger!
Perhaps we should slack off on the Jindal posts. Leave the guy alone. To lick his wounds and practice doing speeches or something. Give him some time... so repubs can have hope in someone. If not him, someone else, like sarah palin or one of her kids. Oh, those poor, poor folks in Lousiana and Alaska! Maybe we can encourage a few trolls to run for office - but not in those states that are already suffering so much from these two presidential-seeking governors. Or the trolls could at the very least polish up their acts for late night comedy shows. That's it - they could pretend to run for office. And do comedy routines to rival .... well, uh, some of those people we're gonna lay off - once they're defeated and their states are saved.
But I digress, for the real issue is TPM and our survival! (once everything is peachy in America) So I'm calling all loyal TPMers here. Those who have strayed and those who have stayed. I'm sure you will all do your part. For I can see it: Everything will get better. Except for our addiction. Stillidealistic put her finger on it: Addicted to TPM. And this place must not fold! No matter how good things get!
What to do? Well, some brave folks may need to start another party. Even a Party party. Where the purpose is to party. They will have to do something to help TPM staff find things to write about. Otherwise it will just be one big love-fest here! And who wants a lovefest? Who will come and read us? Will even we cease to read us if we just like each other and help each other and have fun with each other?
No.... we must not let TPM down. How, oh how, can we change with the times? When the country is back on track and the good times roll. When people reduce carbon and plant gardens and can food and shun sweets. When people volunteer and get health care and even preventive care. And teachers love to teach and kids feel proud to serve their country by finishing school. And services get better and better and people line up for the privilege of paying taxes. And everyone votes. And people stop stealing and shooting each other and prisons empty. When wars stop and and peace breaks out and weapons are no longer needed.
Ok, suddenly, due to that link just above, I'm feeling a bit of relief here. A little glimmer of hope, kind of like a bluebird in springtime. And that sigh that says things could still come out ok. For dd seems to have a limitless imagination - and stories, new and creative ones, will do their part. Then we have the poets among us. We have humor. Surely humor can find topics, even if politics becomes one big lovefest. But we must be prepared. We must look down the road and consider how TPM can survive under conditions of hardship, of less muck, of people doing good deeds and random acts of kindness. Neighbor helping neighbor. Neighbor helping stranger!
Perhaps we should slack off on the Jindal posts. Leave the guy alone. To lick his wounds and practice doing speeches or something. Give him some time... so repubs can have hope in someone. If not him, someone else, like sarah palin or one of her kids. Oh, those poor, poor folks in Lousiana and Alaska! Maybe we can encourage a few trolls to run for office - but not in those states that are already suffering so much from these two presidential-seeking governors. Or the trolls could at the very least polish up their acts for late night comedy shows. That's it - they could pretend to run for office. And do comedy routines to rival .... well, uh, some of those people we're gonna lay off - once they're defeated and their states are saved.
But I digress, for the real issue is TPM and our survival! (once everything is peachy in America) So I'm calling all loyal TPMers here. Those who have strayed and those who have stayed. I'm sure you will all do your part. For I can see it: Everything will get better. Except for our addiction. Stillidealistic put her finger on it: Addicted to TPM. And this place must not fold! No matter how good things get!
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One thing we will never run out of is stuff to complain about, as in: "Bloggers and Unions Join Forces to Push Democrats to Left" (NYT)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/us/politics/27web-liberals.html?_r=1&hp
As an assignment, watch Monty Python's "Life of Brian" for a refresher course in factional idiocy.
February 26, 2009 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the Monty Python clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE
February 26, 2009 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perfect--I love it! Great clip! Thanks, Tom!
February 26, 2009 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not convinced that group is an analog to the Popular People's Front of Judea arguing with the Judean People's Front.
The mantra goes (as it has since at least 2004):
More and better Democrats.
Empirical evidence shows that Republican and conservative viewpoints have been, and remain, over-represented in the media.
As a consequence, the "conversation" that the US public has been hearing has been heavily skewed to the right - and we can see the effects of that in recent elections, and the policy results of who won.
Obama's platform was sufficiently conservative to NOT completely alienate conservative Democrats, so he's got the bully pulpit for now. He is, however, still restrained in his legislative agenda by the necessity to get the support of Blue Dog Democrats, who tend to lean conservative.
Airing more liberal viewpoints in larger and louder broadcasts(so to speak) should/may have the effect of reaching the voters who send the conservatives to Congress.
Change the outlook of those voters, through information, increased media exposure, OR, most importantly, by providing actual liberal positions that Obama's proposals fall to the right of, and you will either replace some of those conservatives, or free them from the necessity of kow-towing to the most conservative of their potential supporters.
February 27, 2009 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought Tom Wright was being TIC, kenga...
February 27, 2009 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I aint goin anywhere. I am having too much fun.
Hell we have new people. At least new to me. Justice is a star. He is published on the outside.
He not only publishes here but talks with other bloggers. No comment goes unsung at his place.
Obey has me doing a college essay. He may be the only guy interested in reading it. I do not care. It is an essay I have been thinking about for years.
For the life of me, I do not have the faintest idea what Bwak and TheraP and LisB and Q and Oleeb, and Grouch, and Missy, and Belle and Flower and eds, and Marq. and Destor, and KGB, And Orlando, and Yva, and countless others have in common. Except this place.
And they like to read and write.
I will come back and discuss more, but I am doing Obey's homework and I missed deletions although I saw Gregor's mention of it. So I want to read other comments.
February 26, 2009 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, don't worry. With the foreign policy types they recruit around here there's TONs to comment on!
February 26, 2009 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, destor, for the record: Do you mean the foreign policy types? Or the foreign policy types? Or might you mean the foreign-posing "policy-posing" types? No matter, you've saved the day!
February 26, 2009 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
The types! Foreigners welcome!
Posers, too!
February 26, 2009 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Posuers. :]
February 27, 2009 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Besides, there is one person here who has about a dozen (or maybe more) personas that are all whiney, cry-baby victims of the big meanies around here that will keep us going for ages...
February 26, 2009 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah... that's what I can't figure out. How can a bunch of tree-hugging, bleeding-heart libruls be such meanies as they make us out to be? How can we be attacked for being both nasty and nice? Then again, reality was never their strong suit!
February 26, 2009 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously though, you've illustrated why the MSM are so desperate to find something wrong with everything Obama says. The repubs are having such a difficult time playing the part of the adversary that the media has been working overtime trying to take up the slack.
I suppose will have another "redistribution of wealth" discussion propagated by them, as if it were some novel thing.
February 26, 2009 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe that's why they're turning on themselves. :)
February 26, 2009 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, are they turning on themselves or turning themselves on?
As long as separated-at-birth Ann Coulter and Michelle Bachmann remain verbal, there will be stuff to party about.
February 27, 2009 10:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
They live in another dimension!
February 27, 2009 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
That might be spelled dementian?
February 27, 2009 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brilliant!
February 27, 2009 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, though, if you look at Coulter's and Bachmann's "smiles," you they are so similar! Large and multitudinous carnivorous teeth and lips pulled back so hard their neck cords stick out. Michelle just lacks the pronounced adams-apple that Ann sports.
February 27, 2009 10:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's hard to smile with botox.
(not that I've had any personal experience!)
February 27, 2009 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
When they find some wealth to redistribute let me know. My hands have been out for years, but the only welfare I get is blue state wealth trickling down to my checking account on the first and fifteenth!
This middle class money they've been giving me is no good. Smells. I want rich people's pretty money. Come on Obama! Give me some of that rich man's green!
February 26, 2009 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now isn't that rich?
February 26, 2009 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
We can do like the "Gee-No-Pee" and just make up controversies so that we have something to investigate, complain about and solve. We can create phony "red tape tales" to get worked up about (and then go on the TeeVee and chat about it like Boy Wonder Jindaloo Vindaloo). We can publish cartoons and send emails that are racist or sexist or ageist or monotheist and get all exorcised over them. The non-stop non-apologies will keep us busy. We can defend or vilify Blago and Burris and that Norm guy from "Cheers". Hillary and Bill are good for some kind of controversy. Plus Nancy and "Sluggo" will help out with their antics from Capitol Hill. Then we can expose the "Slumdog Billionaires". In our spare time, we can enjoy the excitement of playing "Wheel of Foreclosure" followed by Alex Trebek and "Bankruptcy!" (I'll take Daily Newspapers for $1000, Alex!)
And then tomorrow, we can....
February 26, 2009 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah ... But it just won't be the same.
February 26, 2009 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
A whole week needs to be dedicated to troll education! They let all the smart ones go! Or the level has decayed, like nukular raydation does!
February 26, 2009 6:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to agree with you here. I used to have some great debates about policy with a couple of them. There were some that actually made sense and didn't spew only party rhetoric and name-calling. Where'd they go?
February 27, 2009 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Some indicated they'd lost jobs. Troll jobs? In any case that's what we heard from clearthinker and from jason everett miller and maybe someone else. Then a few were banned. But really it seems like reverse evolution occurring here. Like some inexorable genetic experiment gone wrong.
February 27, 2009 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
You raise an interesting question, though: one which truly cannot be answered a month into this administration, but still worth considering. It is this: are we seeing greatness here? Is this a transformational presidency we are living through.
Nobody in the summer of 1933 could possibly have known that, except for two aberrational years n the 1950s, the Democratic Party would control Congress until the 1980s and that the next Republican president (Eisenhower) would embrace the New Deal.
We can make no such predictions either, but it is absolutely possible we are at the dawn of a new age in the same way our forebears were 76 years ago.
I may have more to say about this on the weekend.
February 26, 2009 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're onto something, barth. And I do look forward to your further extension of this idea!
February 26, 2009 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are going to be sorely disappointed if you think that challenges or difficulties that give rise to those challenges are going to magically disappear. Not going to happen. I'm very certain, in fact, there are ones right in front of you which you have simply failed to recognize.
February 26, 2009 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gee. I thought he was exaggerating?
February 26, 2009 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Perhaps we should slack off on the Jindal posts. Leave the guy alone. To lick his wounds and practice doing speeches or something. Give him some time... so repubs can have hope in someone." - Nah! Where would they be without some loyal opposition. The trolls however, I'm happy to ignore. ;-)
February 26, 2009 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good advice!
February 27, 2009 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Can you say "mendacious," boys and girls? I knew you could.
It's a BEAUTIFUL day in the neighborhood...
February 27, 2009 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not to be overly cynical, but the Conservatives have been around since the beginning of the Republic, and they'll still be around long after all of us are gone.
That said, consider their record:
-they opposed the American Revolution
-they opposed the Louisiana Purchase
-they opposed the abolition of slavery
-they opposed the Land Grant system of public universities
-they opposed Women's sufferage
-they opposed the League of Nations (leading to WWII)
-they championed the unregulated Laissez faire capitalism of the 1920's which lead to the Great Depression
-they opposed Roosevelt's New Deal reforms
-they opposed US entry into WWII
-they opposed American participation in the United Nations
-they opposed the Marshall Plan
-they opposed Civil Rights reform
-they opposed the Apollo Moon Program
-they created the greatest deficits in the history of the US Government
In short, everything they oppose eventually becomes part of the fabric of American life, and everything they champion eventually turns into a great big steaming pile of... manure.
Other than that, they mean well.
February 27, 2009 2:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
They oppose what they cannot control? And they try to control what they oppose?
Does that mean one day they will try to take over TPM? Take over Josh Marshall? Will Josh sell us out? Or will they just try to control us, one by one, till they have total control?
Thank you for moving us forward here. We need to be prepared!
Josh, do not sell us out! Consider us your loyal bloggers and loyal opposition too! We are here to save you from yourself. You have a financial stake. That's where they will try to lure you to sell us out. We have no financial stake. We will therefore attempt to keep you on the right path!
February 27, 2009 7:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thera;
It means that the struggle between Liberal and Conservatives ideas will go on and on, and if the experience of the last 230+ years is any indication, our ideas will always win out in the end.
February 27, 2009 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent observation!
I had a history professor as an undergrad who said... "America is a conservative country overall, but it is always the liberal ideas that last."
February 27, 2009 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very hopeful. :)
February 27, 2009 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with everything except the last sentence.
February 27, 2009 7:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
There were good reasons to oppose the League of Nations, reasons which were articulated by Robert La Follette, the leading independent progressive of his era. Senator La Follette's analysis of the League led to his opposition. The League Charter, he said, would fasten colonialism across half the world in perpetuity. Although stigmatized as an "isolationist," La Follette simply believed it was unwise, unjust, and hypocritical to fasten colonial control over unwilling subjects--India, for instance. He denounced the commonly-expressed excuse that "some people aren't ready for self-government." Tyrants, said La Follette, never think that any people are "ready" for self-government.
As for the assertion that American non-participation in the League of Nations is what led to World War II, is that a self-evident truth? I suggest that the causes of WWII might have been slightly more complex than that.
February 27, 2009 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Conservatives didn't oppose the League out of any anti-colonial spirit, they opposed it because they were Isolationists. And the reason it failed to achieve ratification in the Senate in 1919 was because the Republicans dominated the 1918 Congressional elections, campaigning heavily, by the way, on Isolationism. They completely blocked ratification of the League based their opposition on Isolationist principles. Lafollet's position on it, whether he would have supported it in a more progressive form or not, is a footnote. It could have passed without him and it would have failed with him.
Clearly the way the League was actually organized, it was fatally flawed; but its worst flaws stemmed from the compromises Wilson accepted in order to appease Republican Isolationist concerns and from the simple fact that the US never participated. The US could have acted against punitive steps enforced against the Germans had they been a member. As a non-member they were reduced wringing their hands. As a result, the Weimar Republic collapsed due to the hyperinflation caused by war reparations. This was a necessary condition for the Rise of the Nazis to power.
February 27, 2009 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
This illuminates how stunningly republicans have ended up on the wrong side of history. It's looking pretty good they'll add another chapter to their unenviable contribution starting with the Reagan presidency through the present. That won't be known until well after Obama has his run and comparisons are made between the opposing strategies of this time.
It is very odd how the two major parties have evolved two seemingly different conceptual notions of democracy. Or maybe they are the same but it's when they place them into practice that things go awry. How you can have two theoretical expressions of an idea be so different but declare them the same is way over my head. One is either wrong or lying. IMHO the lying idea is over the top prevalent with republicans. Has it been that way from day one for them?
March 1, 2009 8:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
I try to be very careful with how I phrase these sorts of things. Today Liberals and Moderates dominate the Democratic Party, Conservatives the Republican. It wasn't always so.
For example, Lincoln was a Liberal. You don't need much more proof of that than to look at recent criticism of him -from Conservatives-. Republicans were so dominant in the second half of the 19th century that they eventually were infiltrated and corrupted by conservative special interests (i.e. big business), which is why Teddy Roosevelt ran as a third-party progressive candidate for President in 1912. Even as recently as the 1960's there were prominent Liberal Republicans and Conservative Democrats.
A couple of analogies spring to mind; one is that Liberals are like water, Conservatives are like rock. Water always wins in the end.
Another way I like to look at is that Conservatives will tell you that they Are Never Wrong, and thus by definition they can never learn anything new. They'll also tell you that Liberals Are Never Right, which must mean that we're always learning new things.
IMO, its better to be on the side that's always learning.
March 1, 2009 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like a bunch of stuff got deleted....
February 27, 2009 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
You can rest assured that you will have a bunch of DINOs (Democrats In Name Only) here in West, By god, Virginia for a long time to come.
Rush has probably already invested in a place in our glorious Mountains to lead the next charge of the Repubs. Maybe right next to the Aryan Nation compound near the world famous Greenbrier Resort, where lots of the wealthy elite relax and the corporate execs get medical exams and proctologies in a luxurious setting
February 27, 2009 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
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February 27, 2009 7:28 PM | Reply | Permalink