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Why Hunters Need Semi-automatic Rifles


If the argument of the gun lobby is that assault weapons and high capacity clips are for "sportsmen" and hunting, the implication is that they are better hunting weapons than bolt action rifles.
If a hunter really needs a semi automatic weapon to hunt, maybe NRA really stands for Not Real Accurate.


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I live in a big hunting state and for awhile I lived in house that was very close to some prime deer hunting. So close that you could hear he rifle shots from hunters. You could always tell which hunters were having a bad day. As the day started to end you'd start hearing semi automatic weapons going off as they tried to kill a tree or two out of frustration.

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The second amendment was not created to support and does not discuss hunting.

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You are absolutely right. I am just responding to some of the arguments I have heard about the rights of hunters to have guns.

I actually have no problem with hunting to put food on the table. From an animal rights point of view I think the hunter has a better justification than the shopper who buys their hamburger from the store. There would be a lot more vegetarians if everybody had to get their hands bloody to have that steak.

Trophy hunting is a different thing altogether. I would think a true sportsman and conservationist would not want the best animals in the gene pool stuffed and put on a wall.

The 2nd amendment looks to me to be about citizens having the right to having arms so they can belong to a well regulated militia.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I think the only thing we have close to a "well regulated militia" is the National Guard. The weekend warrior militias we have in this country appear to be a totally incompetent group of folks that couldn't get into the military because of the physical or the psychological requirements. God save us from them.

I am not against gun ownership. I grew up in Wyoming and Oklahoma and had my first 22 at 6 years of age. Dad kept it for me and would only let me shoot it with him.

My question is "why does one need a gun?"

Is it for home protection? I would take a shotgun over a long gun or pistol any day. I always thought a burglar alarm that made the sound of a racking shotgun would be a better deterrent than any other alarm sound.

Is it for personal protection? Is your wallet worth your life? There are arguments on both sides but it looks to me like your odds of getting killed or shooting a bystander when you are carrying are greater than when you are not. When I look at the anecdotal stories of people saving the day because they were carrying concealed, there is usually something glossed over or omitted if you read the story carefully.

Neither of the above look like they have any relationship to a well regulated militia being necessary for the security of the state any more than hunting does.

I'm just tired of the chest beating justifications about the 2nd amendment when the real reason the loudest gun rights people want guns is so when they feel threatened, they will have the most efficient means to kill someone.
If you have been to a gun show and listened to the conversations you know what I am talking about.

While I think there are plenty of responsible gun owners, I think there are way too many who own guns because of their own feelings of inadequacy or personal powerlessness. When someone tells me that "God may have made men, but Samuel Colt made them equal" I figure I am are talking to one of those people suffering from there own feelings of powerlessness and inadequacy. I sure don't want them having a 50 cal. rifle or M14.

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There are numerous reasons to own a gun, home protection, self defense, hunting, target shooting, plinking. The point of a right is that I don't have to justify to you my reason for exercising it. The SC finally admitted that it is an individual right. As far as worrying about a .50 cal, since they cost several thousand dollars, and weigh a ton, they are not used in crime except on TV. You are also very wrong to assume that giving up your wallet will save you. Plenty of people cooperate and get killed anyway. I'd rather go down in a shoot out rather than a shoot at.

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As I said, I am not against gun ownership. I think there should be limits to what a private citizen can own, 50 cal? RPG? Claymore mines? I think most reasonable people would agree there is a limit somewhere, even though we might disagree on what that limit is.

What are the odds of getting shot when you give up your wallet? I'm not sure.
If you take the FBI crime stats from 2007
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_12.html
and figure all murder and non-negligent manslaughter cases were results of armed robbery [a generous assertion] they would be about 1.3% of robbery and aggravated assault combined.

The FBI actually says that there were 924 murders during robberies that year [ http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_10.html ] they would be .076% of the murder and non-negligent manslaughter cases.
I just think that, contrary to what the media and gun lobby would have us believe, the odds of us being killed in an armed robbery where we gave up our wallets are probably less that pulling out our pieces and getting into a shoot out for sure.

I would look at the odds of getting killed if I pulled my piece or the odds of getting killed if I didn't.

I know that is not a rigorous analysis, but I think I would be off on the generous side of the concealed carry argument.

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Why do hunters need semis?

Due to Natural Selection, the new super deer infesting this country have developed an immunity to mere bolt action rifles.

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God help us when they develop an immunity to semi-autos.

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