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		    <title>The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Remember, Remember The Fifth Of November -- A Day With The Tea Partiers by Evan McMorris-Santoro</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Among the many delusions in a movement that makes an acid-drenched 60's commune look like a bastion of reality-based thinking, the delusion that they are representative of a rising majority is potentially the most dangerous.  It's pervasive in their rhetoric and implicit in all their actions.  Listen to the way DeMint (manuvering himself to become their favored presidential candidate in 2012) talks.  In a very real sense, they feel surrounded and out-numbered by frightening, dangerous "others" and yet are simultaneously convinced that they are a majority.  </p>

<p>In Iraq under Saddam, population demographic breakouts were a state secret and it was an article of Baathist faith that Sunnis were the majority (and thus entitled to their privileged status).  One of the things that drove Sunnis into terrorism during the worst years was the unshakable conviction that the reason that, given their majority status, the only explanation for their electoral defeats was fraud on a massive scale.  </p>

<p>These people already have a ready-made fraud mythology in place when the inevitable defeats come for them.  ACORN, Soros, Chicago-mob clout politics, illegal aliens sneaking onto voter rolls, corrupt politicians resisting the voice of the majority and, thus, hell-bent on imposing totalitarianism.  When they lose, the nuttiness is going to go supernova, and at that point, well, it would really only take a couple of thousand of them turning terrorist to tear the guts out of the country for several years.  </p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Cantor Promises Tea Partiers: &apos;Not One&apos; GOP Vote For Health Care by Christina Bellantoni]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Talk about your Death Panels.  Way to put a bullet into the head of your party's chance of regaining the majority any time soon, there, Eric.  </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>No.  Because despite all this crazy, the nanosecond they stop saying they want a bipartisan bill is the nanoecond the MSM begins saying the lack of bipartisanship is both sides fault equally.  This is only hard if you think the talk of wanting bipartisanship evidences anything other than blocking the MSM compulsion degenerate into the "on one hand, on the other hand" narrative mode.  </p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Capitol Hill Tea Party Seeks To &apos;Drive The Liberals Crazy&apos; With Pledge Of Allegiance by Eric Kleefeld]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>OOOOooohhh!  Man that just drives me crazy.  I just hate the flag.  And I hate America.  And boy, I just double-sooper hate God.  In fact, like all liberals, I worship Satan.  I'm on the hunt for blond haired-blue eyed babies to sacrifice to the Dark Master right now in order to recover from the deadly blow these find patriots have done to my sensibilities by *gasp* (oh it pains me even to say it) reciting the Pledge of Allegience in, of all places, the Capitol of the United States.  </p>]]>
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		    <title>The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Republican Health Insurance Reform Bill Insures Almost Nobody by Brian Beutler</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Besides, I thought vaccines were all a dangerous secret gubmint plot to pollute your precious bodily fluids.  </p>]]>
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		    <title>The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Republican Health Insurance Reform Bill Insures Almost Nobody by Brian Beutler</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Now, now.  Be nice to him.  He has to come here from Freeper and Red State because it's the only place he can get an intelligent conversation.  And, if not for him, I'd probably have failed to take note of <a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/11/cbo-trashes-gop-health-plan-%e2%80%94-less-coverage-expansion-less-deficit-reduction.php" rel="nofollow">something Yglesias points out.</a>  The GOP proposal achieves these massive premium reductions by mandating reductions in converage:</p>

<blockquote><b>The second source of change in average insurance premiums is changes in the average extent of coverage purchased.</b> Those changes can reflect both <b>changes in the scope of insurance coverage—the benefits or services that are included—and changes in the share of costs for covered services paid by the insurer</b>—known as the “actuarial value.” With other factors held equal, insurance policies that cover more benefits or services or have smaller copayments or deductibles have higher premiums, while policies that cover fewer benefits or services or have larger copayments or deductibles have lower premiums. <b>Provisions in the amendment that would reduce insurance premiums by affecting the amount of coverage purchased include the State Innovations program, which would encourage states to reduce the number and extent of benefit mandates that they impose, and provisions that would allow individuals or affiliated groups to purchase insurance policies in other states that have less stringent mandates.</b></blockquote>

<p>In other words, the bill implements a fix for what the Republicans have more or less openly been identifying as the "real" problem: <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_11/020813.php" rel="nofollow">Americans just have <i>too gosh darned much</i> insurance coverage. </a>  All that excessive coverage insulates us from the true cost of health care, causing to not question whether we really need all these tests and treatments and such that heedless doctors keep ordering.  And that's totally true.  It's like back about ten years when my G.P. referred me to a neurologist to determine whether some symptoms I was having were caused by a brain tumor, I totally didn't give a second's thought to whether I <i>really</i> needed that expensive CT scan they ordered.  And, wouldn'tja know it, it turned out to be totally unnecessary because it came up negative.  Man, what a total waste of resources that turned out to be, all because I had insurance.  <br />
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Yeah, got that email.  Hopefully, OFA will forgive me for not acting on their urgent request that I call Virginia Foxx and ask her to vote "yes" on the House Democrats bill.  </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I was going to respond with a question, but instead I'm compelled to observe that the drastic avatar switch has been very disorienting to my visually-oriented little mind.  </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Right.  Tear 'em down.  Wreck and ruin.  That's worked out great for us. That's why the country Bush handed Obama was so much better off than the one Clinton handed Bush.  Clearly we need more of the same.  </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Bobo, but no.  Surprising though it may be, you're completely wrong.  </p>

<p>They're not saying the bill would hold premiums constant at, or decrease them from, 2009 levels.   Rather, they would reduce the anticipated increase over ten yers by 0 to 3 percent.  Since premiums are projected to double over that time period, the CBO is basically saying this bill does nada, zero, zip, bupkis, or the next thing to it, to reduce the anticipated increase in premiums.   </p>

<p>Spend money.  Accomplish nothing except a small reduction in future government outlays that's much smaller than the reduction from either the House or the Senate Democrats' bill.  Heckuva job, Brownie.  </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Frustrated self-described progressives ask why it's so much harder for Obama to get anything done with majorities in Congress than Bush did when Republican majorities were often smaller or did not exist.  </p>

<p>Here's Exhibit A.  The Republican agenda is, and for decades has been, one of demolition.  Slash taxes.  Gut or destroy agencies.  Block enforcement of regulations or repeal them altogether. Wreck faith in the ability of government to accomplish anything other than war, executions, and controlling the brown people.    During those decades, the Democratic strategy and agenda was to stand between the wrecking ball and the all the stuff they built that the Republicans were tearing down.  Obviously, there was usually a tendency to break and run at the last minute and many decided it was preferable to stand behind the maniacs at the controls.  </p>

<p>Now, Democrats are actually trying to build stuff again--rebuild the destroyed stuff and build entirely new stuff.  Their old joints are a bit stiff and creaky.  Their old construction skills have atrophied a bit and things that used to come naturally to them are often a bit forced.  They're having to reinvent stuff that used to be part of the institutional memory.  Some of them tasked with working the high steel have lost, or never had, the necessary head for heights.  And some of them are still so traumatized by that old wrecking ball that they're still cowering behind bits of old rubble.  But they're building again.  </p>

<p>Republicans, by contrast, know only demolition and destruction, violence and vandalism.  The mere sight of construction equipment fills the with fear and a pile of construction materials works them into a frenzy of nihilism.  </p>

<p>So when someone says, "okay, boys, we're don't have to actually build anything, but we're going to have to at least put together a pretend plan," they proudly present you with a blueprint for assembling a handful of Tinkertoys and Legos into a device that does nothing.  </p>]]>
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		    <title>The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Michele Bachmann, Tea Partiers Prepare For Last Stand On Health Care by Evan McMorris-Santoro</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>So, instead of mocking you, how about I point out that absolutely none of the stuff you profess to be afraid of is in either the House or the Senate bill?  </p>

<p>You're horribly afraid of stuff that doesn't exist.  Like five year olds.  Don't you think maybe that's at least good an explanation for the the dismissive way you get treated as this big evil conspiracy you think exists?</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Michelle Bachmann is no crazier than DeMint yet DeMint is treated serously while Bachmann is treated like a clown.  (My point being that both of them should be treated like clowns.)  </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>He got a bunch elected in 2008 and had a damn good record on the ones he campaigned for in 2006.  But a personal appearance by Jesus himself wouldn't have pulled Deeds out of his tailspin.   </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Ghengis,</p>

<p>Excellent blog, excellent comments, agree with it all except that I think the comparison to the Cons is unfair to the Visigoths.  </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>And, yes, the MSM will play along, as long as the crazy conservative in question is white and has a penis.  Have you seen any of them take even the slightest note of the fact that Jim DeMint is crazier than Colonel Kurtz?  And the more the batshit insanity becomes the rhetorical norm for the right, the less the MSM will notice it. </p>

<p>DeMint is the scariest person holding office today.  He projects the kind of banal certitude that is appealing to the authoritarian mind and hypnotically soothing to the CW spinning MSM reporter.  </p>

<p>If the GOP doesn't disintegrate first, it could totally happen.  We become complacent about them and what's happening to them at our, and the world's, peril.  </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>"Every vote I take is about our country, it's not about South Carolina."</p>

<p>Actually, that's progress of a kind.  Heretofore, claiming that you had a country other than South Carolina was political heresy of the first order down there.  </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>"[W]e need to redirect a lot of our attention right back to the basic economy and trying to figure out ways to help with the economic woes that we have, and that may mean that we have to readjust some of the other priorities around here."</p>

<p>. . . says the imbecile responsible for cutting the most stimulative spending out of the stimulus bill.  </p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Steele: &apos;GOP Renaissance Has Begun&apos;...And I Helped by Evan McMorris-Santoro]]></title>
		        
			<published>2009-11-04T16:33:24Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Well, good to see they're still delusional and incapable of drawing correct inferences from objective data.  Thank God.  There's still hope for us in 2010, after all.  </p>]]>
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		    <title>The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Red Tide: After Losses In Virginia and New Jersey What Will Obama Say? by Christina Bellantoni</title>
		        
			<published>2009-11-04T14:19:51Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I'm off the cable asshats until at least mid-1010, but I'm sure they spent the night ecstatically wallowing in an orgy of stale, shallow, astonishingly uninformed and uninformative Beltway CW nonsense.  </p>

<p>Still, listening to Juan Williams, of all people, determinedly and systematically shooting down Renee Montaigne's (possibly Socratic rather than stupid) efforts to paint last night as a referendum on Obama with actual data and analysis of exit polling was oddly heartening.  Made me wonder if, for once, the MSM isn't going to give in to teh' stoopid without a fight.  </p>

<p>And, even if they are, a week from now, there'll be a backlash the instant CW that will become the new CW and in ten days, no one will even remember last night happened.  </p>

<p>And Christina?  I know conditioned reflex is hard to resist, but you really need to come to emotional grips with the fact that Rev. Moon doesn't have the power to put you out on the street anymore.  And neither does John Solomon. </p>

<p>Though, come to think of it, given that a red tide is a sudden, pollution-spawned bloom of mindless single-celled organisms that choke the life out of all higher life-forms in the vicinity before exhausting the artificially created burst of nutrients and dying,leaving only a dead zone as a clue it ever existed, maybe it was a well-chosen metaphor after all.  </p>]]>
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		    <title>The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Pre-Spin Battle: Dems Say Tonight Not Obama Referendum But Were Happy To Blast Bush by Christina Bellantoni</title>
		        
			<published>2009-11-04T00:01:50Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>No matter what happens, I predict the hyperventillating stupidity from the cable asshats will be so thick tonight, you'll need a chainsaw to cut it. </p>

<p>I also predict that the sun will rise tomorrow.  </p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Are Senate Centrists Trying To Mount A Comeback For Snowe&apos;s Triggers? by Brian Beutler]]></title>
		        
			<published>2009-11-03T22:06:39Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Well, yes, but only if you're not an obtuse dickhead.  This story is about Nelson, Snowe, Landrieu, Lieberman and Bayh, however.  </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Yes, of course.  That's why we have people who are uninsured.  They hate the insurance companies so that they've decided they'd rather die for lack of coverage than in any way contribute to the profits of the insurance companies.  </p>

<p>Has nothing to do with them being unable to get coverage due to preexisting conditions or inability to obtain coverage because they lack government subsidies or because insurers treat the individually insured differently from their large customers.  </p>

<p>Why, I'll bet if you went to any of the millions of uninsured in this country and said "hey, we're going to help you out with the cost of insurance and we'll make sure they don't give you a different rate just because you're not employed by a big company or claim your acne was an "undisclosed preexisting condition" justifying recission, or refuse to insure you because you've been sick but there's a catch: you'll have to buy insurance from a private insurer," they'd spit in your face and tell you to go straight to hell, such is their rightous hatred of the insurers.  </p>

<p>And hey, even if they were so misguided as to say "yes, please, thank you! Even with the help it'll be tight, but that will lift the horrible burden of worring about my family's health from my shoulders," it would still be better to let them all die than to see one red cent of extra profit go into the pockets of those horrible companies.  What are their lives compared to our precious principles, after all?  </p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Are Senate Centrists Trying To Mount A Comeback For Snowe&apos;s Triggers? by Brian Beutler]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>"My expectation is that it probably doesn't have enough to get 60 votes to get off the floor if it gets on the floor."</p>

<p>Well shucks, Ben, which Democrats do you think will join the Republicans in opposing cloture, thwarting their party's primary domestic policy initiative of this Congress and thereby likely costing them the majority?  Please do tell.  We're quivering with anticipation.  Gee, sure doesn't sound like you'll be one of them from the way you're talking.  </p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Reid&apos;s Office: There Is No Understanding With Lieberman, But We Hope To Get His Health Care Vote by Eric Kleefeld]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>"All Cretans are liars."  </p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Lieberman&apos;s Office: There Is No Deal On Health Care, He Will Still Filibuster Public Option by Eric Kleefeld]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Steve Benan says that Reid's office denies there's a deal too.  </p>

<p>Thing is, this story is kind of the opposite of news because it presents an "all Cretans are liars" problem.  </p>

<p>If there is a deal and Lieberman is just posturing for effect, this is what they'd say.  If there's no deal, this is what they'd say.  If there was a deal but Lieberman reneged because he was upset about the leak, this is what they'd say.  There are simply no circumstances that don't involve sodium pentathal where they'd admit the existence of a deal if there was one and they'd only tell the truth if there wasn't.  </p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on GOPers Already Moving On To &apos;McDonnell 2012&apos; Storyline by Evan McMorris-Santoro]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Everybody in D.C. always thinks that whoever's the current governor of Virginia is presidential timber and yet, somehow, those people always turn out to be wrong, wrong, wrong when it turns out that the rest of the nation finds them to be boors or bores.  </p>

<p>Hmmmmm, what is it about Virginia, as opposed to the other 49 states, that could possibly cause people in D.C. to overestimate the importance and national prominence of Virginia politicians?  Hmmmm, hmmmmm.  Nope, not comin' up with anything here.    </p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve Commented on Report: Lieberman Won&apos;t Filibuster Health Care After All by Evan McMorris-Santoro]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I concur on those who are suspicious.  I'm speculating that that leadership thinks this leak is the best way to short circuit his latest cyclic attention-seeking episode.  I don't think they'd be saying this, however, if they hadn't put the screws to him and tightened them down hard.  </p>

<p>But I don't trust him to respond rationally to leadership's inputs and anyone who does is a fool.  At best, it just means he's going to go public with his opposition to some other matter of critical concern to leadership and the Administration.  </p>]]>
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