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My Trite Advice for the Day


By now, my capacity for being amazed by the depths of the right's increasing insanity and the left's invariable tendency to to fall into dispair and bitter recrimination just at the moment victory (or something sufficiently close to be worth grasping) is within reach should be exhausted. 

But yes, it's really amazing to me how emotionally invested in failure some of you guys seem to have become on the public option front and, really, on pretty much everything.  Yeah, I'm talking about the comments on this post right here

There's good reason to believe that yesterday was the low point and there's a basis for measured hope in the fact that "as bad as it gets" wasn't as bad as it was supposed to be.  Call me crazy, but I think Schumer, Rockefeller and Harkin know at least as much about what's going on as we out here in the Land of Intertubes Commentia do and they're talking like winners.  Meanwhile, I have yet to see any of the opponents of the public option express optimism that they've managed to kill it. 

Five committees in Congress have jurisdiction over this thing.  Four of the five bills from those committees have a public option in them.  The Senate Finance bill, will probably have a triggered public option in it.  The middle ground between a triggered public option and a "robust" public option is Schumer's version of the public option.  If Finance goes with a triggered public option rather than Baucus and Conrad's lame-ass co-ops (or in addition to them), a betting man would have to give at least even odds that Schumer's public option is what will be enacted. 

Could it still all go to shit on us?  Yeah, sure it could.  To paraphrase the little Jedi guy, difficult to see, the future is. 

But don't you think that a bad outcome is at least a little more likely to happen if all the "progressives" decide to give up on the fight right at what could be the turning point and take a big ol' mass wallow in the Corporate Conspiracy Sty of Dispair?

Ask yourselves which is more imporant to you: a) a health care bill with a public option that's doesn't quite perfectly conform to your ideological ideal of perfection or b) the dark thrill having all your Naderist paranoia vindicated. 

If your answer is "a)," might I make a modest observation based on bitter personal experience? There is a profoundly important difference between preparing for the worst and expecting the worst.  Preparing for the worst is essential in life because, yeah, sometimes the worst happen and if you're not prepared for it, you're depending on random chance to keep from becoming a victim. 

But when you expect the worst, I'm here to tell you that that's what you're going to get in this life, damn near every time. 

It's not because of kismet, or instant karma or evil spirits.  It's because when you expect the worst, you're already in a place where you have actually come, at some level, to hope for the worst.  You hope for it because the vindication of your gloomy prognostications is the only reward you have left in life and, in any case, it's the pain you're used to, a chronic pain, as opposed to the sudden, sharp stabbing pain of seeing your hopes dashed yet again.  And when you come to hope for the worst, it's amazing how inventive our bizarre little subconscious minds can be when it comes to finding ways to either make it happen or, if it is beyond our ability to affect events, view whatever happens in the most negative possible light. 

So that's my trite advice for the day: optimism by temprament, pessimism by policy.  Hope (and work for) for the best even as you prepare for the worst. 

And expect nothing.   Because, though the future may or may not be foreordained, depending on your theology or your physics, human events are chaotic and unpredictable to those of us bound by the limits of human perception.   


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After hearing Rachel Maddow interview Sen. Schumer last night I am slightly more optimistic.

I'm still not holding my breath... but there is a glimmer of... oh... what's that word, again??

Oh yeah! HOPE!

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You know, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea for folks to understand what "Hope" really is -- or at least how our President sees it when he offers it to us.

And the place to go for that is - don't start hissing! -- Rev. Jeremiah Wright. There was reason, good reason, for Obama to respect him and associate with him all those years, and maybe now that the campaigns are over (and Obama is being demonized for other reasons ... sigh) folks can take a calm look at why -- in particular why he gave his second book a phrase taken from one of Rev. Wright's sermons, The Audacity of Hope.

Here's the sermon -- it's not too long and it won't take too much time to read it through and think about what is being said:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/for-the-record.html

(If that doesn't create a link and someone can make it do so, great appreciation.)

One paragraph:
"And Paul said something about that, too. No visible sign? He says, 'Hope is what saves us, for we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen is not hope. For what a man sees, why does he have hope for it? But if we hope for that which we see not (no visible sign), then do we with patience wait for it.'"

That's what Obama understands hope to be -- and what he's offered us: hope for things unseen and unpromised, and the promise that he will be patient and keep trying even when the reward isn't clearly within reach or seems quite impossible.

If you don't have the patience for an effort like that, or don't believe in anything that you can't see tangible evidence of -- that's fine. We each get to make that decision. But don't scoff at our President's offer of hope.

He is acting on hope, working very hard to bring about that unseen, unguaranteed but hoped-for resolution to many difficult problems, including health care. And there is no way he's going to succeed on all of them within the time he's going to be given, even if it's 8 years. And it may be that health care is one of the areas in which we don't get all that we hope for. So does that mean he -- and the many others who are fighting for that goal -- should quit the effort?

I'm very glad that those in the civil rights movement didn't quit, that they didn't stop even when it was painfully obvious and in fact almost guaranteed that what they hoped for would not occur in their lifetime. Why shouldn't people in the "health rights" movement be as (dare I say it?) filled with hope?

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My, my, thanks for that.

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That's lovely. Fine indeed.

And I "do we with patience wait for it."

But really... Hope can only go so far. After a while, those who are starving to death and HOPING for food will die of starvation unless that food is realized.

Those who are sick and dying will just die unless their hoped for healthcare is realized.

Waiting patiently for too long can ultimately create other feelings:
Anxiety
Dispair
Cynicism
...and Hopelessness.

Implicit in the call for hope is the promise of delivery. IMHO.

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(I can't figure out how to edit my posts. The above bolded print should have read:

And I do "with patients wait for it."

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Dammit!! Although I intended to correct the bold print... I ended up making a typo anyway...
Should say patience

...

although... patients may be more appropriate given the subject of the thread. Calling Dr. Freud.

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I thought you were being deliberate when you put "patients" -- Freud at the keyboard, indeed.

I have just as much rage as you about the people who will suffer and die if a good - the best -- health care system isn't put in place ... quickly. But the fact that the dying and suffering will continue *until* there is a change seems to me to be a reason to KEEP trying even if/when success seems unlikely or impossible.

I don't mean you, btw, lckyma -- but the people who are suddenly accusing the President of "selling them down the river" and so forth. (Hmmm, a particularly unfortunate metaphor, I just realized.)

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But can you understand my point about unrealized Hope is poison?

Anxiety, despair, CYNICISM, and Hopelessness are all rather toxic... and they come into existence when those things we Hope for are not realized.

Simply put, one can not hang on to hope forever. At some point there has to be a realization or the consequences can be devastating. IMO.

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Certainly -- but while unrealized hope can be toxic, the ability to hope when there is no proof or promise of achievement is something entirely different. In the end, it's that kind of hope that gets things accomplished, that makes change happen.

A line from one - or possibly more - of Obama's speeches: "the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs" Well, obviously those slaves, or most of them, never saw freedom or any sign of it, but if they hadn't kept the hope of it alive in their hearts and taught their children to hope, taught them to sing those songs and believe them ....??

That kind of hope is actually an antidote to those other things you mention: anxiety, dispair, cynicism. It's a mindset where life comes down to two things: the ultimate goal and your actions. If you keep your "eyes on the prize" and take steps, even small ones, *toward* that goal, then you have achieved something. It may not be all you wanted to see achieved, BUT the overall effort is a little bit ahead because of your efforts AND the effort didn't falter because you gave up or (implicitly) encourage others to give up.

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I'm not encouraging others to give up.

I don't know about you, but I have already witnessed one of the most toxic shifts in our society as a result of lost Hope. Frankly "W" kicked the shit out of hope. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think society had gotten pretty darn cynical and hopeless over the past decade or so. FEAR! and a blatant disrespect for or Rights took a heavy toll.

I think we can all agree we don't want to see our future going down that same path.

Evidence of our collective agreement: Obama wins the election BIG TIME! Talk about a mandate! Holy cow!

Q: WHY was Obama elected? Wny not Hillar? Why not anybody else?

A: He was selling "HOPE". That's the one hot commodity no one else had.

Society seemed to look forward instead of down at their feet. People seemed (Still seem, for the most part) to be willing to do their fair share to achieve these dreams... No more war in Iraq. Close GITMO, Healthcare...

People voted for Obama because they believed he would be the one to REALIZE those dreams. He's the one selling them Hope.

I'm not encouraging anybody to give up. I'm saying a statistically significant number of citizens WILL feel completely let down if this fails. Enough people will think to themselves, "If Obama couldn't do it, it will NEVER get done."

Perhaps they are myopic. Perhaps the healthcare will come...

I'm just saying that when you starve somebody long enough, they will give up. I'm suggesting that there are a LOT of people who are very near that point. And no matter how much Rah! Rah! Cheerleading we perform, there are plenty of people (many of whom had not voted nor been politically active in many many many YEARS and only "gave a damn" for Obama because they HOPED he was what they'd been waiting for)... plenty of people who will throw up their hands and say, "To Hell with 'em. There's nothing I can do."

I just think that bailing out Banks and Businesses... while we all go unemployed... and without healthcare... Well, this is already going to create one Helluva Cynical society! I think this alone may be more Toxic than anybody can fathom just yet... But, couple this with a failure to provide healthcare and you've got a slimy, vile, disgusting cultural soup of apathy, depression and cynicism.

I really think that if you expect people to keep on Hoping, then you've GOT to deliver.

I repeat: Implicit in the call to Hope is the promise to deliver.

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Just so.

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Great!

Obama the Gnostic. Taking advice from a wandering tentmaker with neo-Platonist aspirations.

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Trivia:

Khayyam means "tentmaker"

The moving finger writes,
and having writ moves on
and all your wit nor piery shall
lure it back to cancel half a line
nor all your tears wash out a word of it.

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That reminds me. I have got to finish that post about how what read and see in the media is just shadows cast on the wall of a cave.

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Thanks. And a few words about hope from Vaclav Havel along those lines:

Hope is a state of mind, not of the world. Hope, in this deep and powerful sense, is not the same as joy that things are going well, or willingness to invest in enterprises that are obviously heading for success, but rather an ability to work for something because it is good.

Hope is definitely not the same thing as optimism. It is not the conviction that something will turn out well, but the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out.

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That's lovely. Thanks.

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My observation is that sometimes we have to go through assuming we have lost something to get to remotely doing something about it... sometimes until we create some experience of pain... however imagined or real... human beings will often not take action. It may seem silly and aggravating but we human beings are altogether perfect in our imperfections.

I do think that the congress is making a strategical error overall by playing out the health care debate pretending that the public will support a mandate without a real public option. And as it seems possible that we may not get a public option based on some recent events... I find it a very healthy thing to remind them of this.

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Shrewd observations, I must concede. Especially if by "we," you mean "Democrats."

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Sync, I agree with you about the public option. I think that single payer was even a better option. Triggers, Co-ops, draconian insurance company rules, and mandates are less so.

My trite comment is just to remember the point isn't whether we enrich or destroy health insurance companies, whether or not stockholders are rewarded, whether or not lawmakers who impede the process get money from health care, whether we get our own wish of the perfect system, whether or not we get everything we want now.

The biggest point is that we make sure that everyone has the option to go to the doctor, regardless of their financial situation. That the system that we set up is sustainable and can last. This is the next step, a step we've never taken before. I still think that we will end up with a public option, but even if we don't and people without health care (I was one of these people for years) now are covered--that is a major country-changing milestone.

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Thanks exNC, I guess it's like bike riding. If you are riding in the bike lane and look over your left shoulder to check traffic, it's really hard not to drift left into that traffic that you are checking!

We tend to go towards where we are looking.

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Someone still needs to explain to me why this is even such a "hard fight" for the president. If the Party roles were reversed, and a Bush-type was governing a Republican Party that favored a public option, this bill would have passed in March. Hell, single-payer probably would have passed in March.

But no, a rump Republican Party somehow manages to water down and delay legislation that has been drafted and on the shelf for decades, thoroughly debated both in earlier incarnations and in op-ed pieces and think tanks, and might have enough juice to kill the bill in spite of a Democratic majority that can't be filibustered.

Our leaders in the Senate have yet to demonstrate that they have the stomach for a real fight on the public option. Or any thing else for that matter. It's not pessimism to doubt that Harry Reid will not deliver for the American people. One only has to look at his record.

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Shorter NCSteve.


You've been bitching about people hyping each other up in the comments since June. If people had listened to you then we wouldn't be where we are now.

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Lol!

And that's all I got because I'm still laughing too hard at the video to respond to you substantively . . .

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That's right. Good run down on committees and such.

ITS NOT OVER TIL ITS OVER

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Changing peoples minds and beliefs and views is the most difficult thing in the world to do. Just remember how long it took before most people would accept the fact that the earth was NOT the center of the galaxy. Even with total and insurmountable proof from many, many sources...most people would not accept it.

The same goes for the belief that the private sector is the be all end all for everything and that everything should be for profit. Even though there is more and more proof that this is NOT the case and unrestrained capitalism just does not work.

Because the most uncomfortable thing for people to admit is that what they believe is just flat out wrong. Their petty egos simply will not allow it.

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What we are all witnessing in this debate, The Capitilist will deny it though and there lackey politicians will assure the Capitilist agenda will prevail.
We the People are seeing first hand what Eugene Debs said would happen.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs#Statement_to_the_Court_Upon_Being_Convicted_of_Violating_the_Sedition_Act_.28September_18.2C_1918.29
“The capitalist class is represented by the Republican, Democratic, Populist and Prohibition parties, all of which stand for private ownership of the means of production, and the triumph of any one of which will mean continued wage-slavery to the working class……The Republican and Democratic parties, or, to be more exact, the Republican-Democratic party, represent the capitalist class in the class struggle. They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles…….Deny it as may the cunning capitalists who are clear-sighted enough to perceive it, or ignore it as may the torpid workers who are too blind and unthinking to see it, the struggle in which we are engaged today is a class struggle, and

as the toiling millions come to see and understand it and rally to the political standard of their class,

they will drive all capitalist parties of whatever name into the same party,

and the class struggle will then be so clearly revealed that the hosts of labor will find their true place in the conflict and strike the united and decisive blow that will destroy slavery and achieve their full and final emancipation”

The Obama administration is controlling the pressure relief valve, letting the steam of the people cool off, and the power will still be maintained, by the Capitalists; because the torpid working class is to blind to see the struggle going on.

Notice we started off with single payer, and the Capitialists rejected that, then as the summer allowed the agitated working class to come to a simmer. Now we’ll get watered down healthcare.

The Democrats appearing to champion the working class; but instead their role is to pacify the working class.
Convincing you that they’re not like their evil counterparts the Republicans. But both serve the same master.

“The tired whine of "But the Republicans are worse" will fall flat….”
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader

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In spite of how crazily the senate is going about this I think house democrats may carry the day before this is done. They have made it quite clear they want no part of a final bill that doesn't have the public option. The house seems to understand that without the public option costs just won't come down. The senate is arguably more worried about campaign dollars and holding power than about healthcare reform.

Once upon a time I would have thought the senate would be more inclined to holding to constitutional integrity and all that. Got that wrong by a country mile. Maybe they were once but not any more.

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Ask yourselves which is more imporant to you: a) a health care bill with a public option that's doesn't quite perfectly conform to your ideological ideal of perfection or b) the dark thrill having all your Naderist paranoia vindicated.

Hmmm. That's a tough call... ;-)

Quintessential NCSteve—only calmer. A delightful read.

Personally, I'm not inclined to give politicians any credit for having something up their sleeves that will benefit me. Long history has taught me that.

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Thanks. In case there's any doubt, this advice was directed at myself as much as at anyone else out there. Truth is, my natural inclination is to expect the worst all the time. Or, at least that's what I thought until Bush was elected and I spent eight years being amazed at how regularly the worst thing I was capable of imagining always fell short of reality.

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Nader and his listeners were not paranoid, they could see clearly what was happening and was going to keep happening.

Nader was not delusional, Nader has been vindicated. Except by those who would rather attack the messenger, rather than to debate the issues.

Paranoia: a psychological disorder characterized by delusions of persecution or grandeur.

Nader’s problem; an overwhelming of the electorate, being like people having eyes; but were blind, having ears; but not hearing.

You write “Ask yourselves which is more important to you: a) a health care bill with a public option that's doesn't quite perfectly conform to your ideological ideal of perfection or”

That will eventually be what the Capitalist will figure out.

It is up to We the People, of the working class, to keep the pressure cooker on high.

Capitalists will ask themselves; would it not be better in the long run for us to maintain our lordship over the working class slaves, to give a little crumb to the bottom tier. For fear the Nader’s of the world, will come to power, and they’ll be coming after us with a vengeance?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody else is stupid and blind and corrupt and you and Ralph are the only morally rightous and pure ones, the only ones who truly see what's really, really happening. Just as you truly saw that there's no difference between Bush and Gore and/but anyway, neither Nader nor his supporters bear even the slightest responsiblity for the national calamity that was 2000-2008 as you've proven to us so many times but we're just to stupid, blind, corrupt or mystified by the Corporatist Conspiracy to understand what you're saying.

Got it. Thanks for coming.

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Talk about attacking the messenger, when you can't address the argument.

First to set the record straight, I was not a Nader supporter. Even if I had an inclination about Nader, it was clear Nader was effectively neutered from the debates on purpose, by the two major parties.

Did you here Gore or Bush tell you the truth?
In fact it was reported that
Al Gores “liberalism is merely a prop developed to bring him to the head of the Democratic Party.” a Democratic party that is just another party of the Capitalists?

NAFTA: Ross Perot and Al Gore Debate 1993
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhwhMXOxHTg

So maybe you didn’t care for Nader, how about Dennis Kucinich?

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Dennis_Kucinich
“This is a struggle for the soul of the Democratic Party, which in too many cases has become so corporate and identified with corporate interests that you can't tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans……..You're looking at a guy who believes he can beat a rigged game.”

Same with Kucinich, did he look funny, that was reason enough to not listen?

Another messenger of truth ridiculed, and cast aside, in favor of chosen candidates in behalf of Corporate interest.

More truth for you to figure out, the part about hopelessly ignorant workers that comprise a part of the American worker force who voted against they’re own self-interest blew it.

wikiquote.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader
“The "democracy gap" in our politics and elections spells a deep sense of powerlessness by people who drop out, do not vote, or listlessly vote for the “least worst” every four years and then wonder why after every cycle the “least worst” gets worse.. ...organized labor...rushes to support the party without demanding a turn away from corporatism toward workers’ needs. This is the logic of the lesser of two evils. It tethers labor to a relentless slide deeper into the corporate power pits year after year....the Democrats know that no matter how many GATTs, NAFTAs, empty OSHAs, and other betrayals...they heap on those labor leaders, they can be had because, once again, the Republicans are deemed worse.”

That smarty, was what Nader told you and others, in fact warned you, but was rejected; why? Is it because he was not one of them, he looked different, he spoke differently, what was it?

It surely couldn’t have been Naders message, because I found no untruth in what he said. So I can only assume, they didn’t like the messenger?

You wrote, "Just as you truly saw that there's no difference between Bush and Gore"
Total speculation on your part to assume there would have been a difference.

You assume Gore all by himself without Congress would have saved America, Now that is Naivety

As to the stupid part, what makes you think America will ever get it together?

The electorate is too complacent. Sure the electorate will moan and complain, but in the end, they'll ignore the Naders or any third party candidate. Convincing others about how if you vote for someone other than the mainstream parties you're throwing your vote away. Then you wonder why each election cycle we always vote for the least worst.

So the dummies believe this, and over and over again, they get the same results.

The stupid have never figured it out.

If you keep doing what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten. DOH!!

Got it. Thanks for coming. Now when are you leaving?

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I'm wondering if any fellow denizens would disagree that Obama believes something like: "Look, I'm going to do everything I can while I am in office and after I leave and I hope all of you will do the same. We didn't get into the situations we are facing overnight and we're not going to get out of them overnight."

In any difficult endeavor, doubt, or at least anxiety, about whether success will be achieved seems pretty much endemic to the human condition. The question isn't whether it is present, but how individuals choose to deal with it.

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Maybe I'm just stupid or something, but I had no negative reaction to the votes in the committee at all. I in fact see it as a strategic move that leads to an almost certain conclusion that the public option will be included in the House/Senate reconciliation.

I haven't seen it addressed as such, but I assumed it was simply providing an opportunity for the Blue Dog Dems on the committee to vote "no" on the public option so they could then vote "yes" later on the reconciled proposal that will include the public option. This offers them cover against attacks during upcoming electoral campaigns wherein they can claim they were against the public option but held their noses and voted for the overall plan because we need health care reform.

This kind of stuff happens all the time where votes in committee lay out the "voting record" independent of the votes cast on actual legislation.

Am I missing something here?

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That of course could be the case, at least with respect to some of the senators. Possibly a few people lobbying FTF with the senators in question, including their colleagues, know this but obviously cannot say so publicly.

Sometimes I think that some of our fellow Republican citizens spend a lot of time mindlessly bashing Democratic politicians, and some of our fellow Democratic activist citizens do likewise. Which must lead some of the ones in dicey electoral situations who want to do the right thing scratching their heads wondering what some of the peanut-gallery folks are thinking. And wondering where their support is supposed to come from.

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I'm not too worried about offending the sensitivities of the Dem pols. In fact, I think it is imperative to give our milquetoast Dems as difficult a time as possible so they know there will be consequences if they fold like a cheap suit when confronted with demagogues and bullies from the other side. And I especially think we need to hold Dems accountable who are inclined to carry water for their campaign contributors at the expense of their constituents. (Are you listening Mr. Baucus?)

The strategic maneuvering I envision here would target a few in pretty conservative districts, allowing them cover to do the right thing while being supposedly dragged into it. If it even provides one or two of the sixty votes needed for cloture, it might be the very precise maneuver required to get this thing done WITH a public option.

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