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Mackey Made His Choice. I Made Mine.


I am not endorsing or advocating a boycott of Whole Foods.  I am not participating in a boycott of Whole Foods.  I like their store brand milk.  It is the only place hereabouts where one can, on occaision, obtain El Rey milk chocolate.  Most important, it is the only local supplier of the brand of cat food that my aging cats will a) eat and b) not puke up all over the damn place. 

I am, however, for the foreseeable future, determined to cut back drastically on the ridiculous amount of money I've been spending there weekly over the last couple of years.  And, yes, it is because I am immortally pissed at the company's founder and CEO.   

Here's why. 

If Mackey had said this stuff back in January, it might have been different because, iIn January, the possibility of having a reasoned debate on healthcare reform had not yet been totally blown to smitherfuckingreens by the people on his side of the fight. 

Had he said this stuff then, it would have helped if he'd said "okay, I know my customers will disagree with me, but I want to humbly share a few thoughts on health care." And it would have helped if he'd said it in a forum other than the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal.  Had he done that, I would likely have said--as, indeed, I was almost inclined to say when this thing first broke--"okay, he's a libertarian moron, I knew that.  Not an uncommon phenomon among people in the organic food biz, so get over it."   

However, he didn't say it in January, he didn't say it in a guest editorial in the New York Times and he started the whole thing off with a snide quote about socialism from Margaret Thatcher. Then he then moved directly into deficit fearmongering based upon the fundementally dishonest assumption that the deficits we're running now will be recurring rather than being caused by the dip in tax revenues caused by, and the stimulus package necessited by, the recession his Randian co-religionists caused.  

The WSJ news operation is a respectable and respected edifice of journalism.  The editorial page is a stinking, fetid cesspit of mendacity and vitriol annexed to that edifice.  It is one of the most important vectors for the pandemic of lies and dogmatic nonsense that has been poisoning our discourse for the last twenty years.  To go there, of all places, to say things that your liberal customers will disagree with is a lot like the message Reagan sent when he went to Philidelphia, Mississippi to give a speech on states rights.  

Beyond even that, however, I think many of us who are focusing our ire on Mackey are doing so as part of the process of facing up to the ugly reality created by our opponents on the right.  We realize that, on this issue at least, the possibility of rational discourse between left and right no longer exists.  We wanted a rational debate.  We elected a president who campaigned on the principle that we had to start having rational policy debates again.  We fervantly supported him in no small part because we agreed with him on that point. 

And for all that, on this issue, the possibility of rational discourse  is dead, dead, dead.  And no matter how much our tsk-tsking Broderized MSM craves to blame it on both sides, it was the Republicans and their libertarian and corporate allies who killed it.  They made a calculated, decision to kill rational debate on this subject, by any means necessary, solely to serve and perpetuate their own narrow political and economic interests. 

They declared war when we were offering them an olive branch in the rhetorical wars of the last two decades and they announced the start of the war with the rhetorical equivilent of a barrage of poison gas shells that has never ceased.  A barrage that has, if anything, only increased in intensity and fury and toxicity.  They keep lobbing more and more shells into the that hovering cloud of toxic rhetoric they've unleashed over No Man's Land not least because they want to ensure that no one else on their side of the wire can cross over to ours to discuss the resumption of rational discourse. 

At this point, here and now, the reality of the situation is that it is no longer possible for the Right to reinitate rational discussion on health care merely by talking to our side in a rational fashion.  At this point, if Mackey, or anyone else on the other side of the health care fight, wants to have a rational discussion with us, it is incumbent upon them to first denounce the maniacs on their side who are so gleefully poisoning our nation's discourse.  If they want to have a rational discussion with us, they must first tell the people on their own side to cut this shit out.  

Mackey didn't do any of those things.  All he did was utter a few rational, if wrong-headed, thoughts while firing off his own personal barrage of rhetorical mustard gas shells. 

Back after the George W. Bush anti-enforcement SEC closed its file on its investgation of Mackey's comments (under a screen name) about a competitor on Yahoo stock discussion boards, Mackey did a long post on the WF blog.  Here were some of the things he said he had "learned:"

MISTAKE IN JUDGMENT, NOT ETHICS: My mistake here was one of judgment--not ethics. I didn't realize posting under a screen name in an online community such as Yahoo! would be so controversial and would cause so many people to be upset. That was a mistake in judgment on my part and one that I deeply regret because it caused so much negative media attention about me and Whole Foods Market.

BECOMING A PUBLIC FIGURE: Perhaps part of the problem here is that when I first started participating in these Yahoo! online communities back in 1998, Whole Foods Market was only 15 percent as large as we are today. . . I wasn't a public figure and had no desire to become one. However, as Whole Foods Market continued to grow and as we opened large and exciting new stores around the United States, both the company and I became better and better known. At some point in the past 10 years I went from being a relatively unknown person to becoming a public figure. I regret not having the wisdom to recognize this fact until very recently.

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KEY LEARNINGS: I've learned many things from these events. The primary lesson I've learned is that because of Whole Foods Market's success, I have become a public figure. My personal and work lives are now closely connected--and impact one another. Anything I say or do is now at risk of showing up on the front page of a national daily newspaper and therefore, I need to be much more conscious about the implications of everything that I say or do in all situations.

The price of continuing to be the CEO of a large publicly traded corporation is pouring yourself a big cup of STFU whenever you are tempted to say something that will piss off your customers. It's not a free speech issue, it's a matter of personal choice.  Would I rather have the freedom to say things that will piss off my customers, or would I rather serve my shareholder's interests and, in return, continue to earn huge amounts of money and exercise great power?  Cake.  Eat it.  Pick one.    

Mackey purported to have learned that lesson. 

Whole Foods' entire business model consists of serving an extremely liberal--compared to the demographic of grocery customers in general--customer base. Beyond its product line, Whole Foods deliberately cultvates customers who are politically active and engaged in issues, engaging in many "feel good" activities specifically designed to make shopping at Whole Foods feel ethical and, dare I say it, politically correct.

And yet, despite the lessons he claims to have learned from his misadventures on the Yahoo stock board posting, he went out of his way say stuff that seemed calculated with malice aforethought to offend and anger his company's customers at a time of high emotion. 

And he did it in the one forum short of the New York Post or Fox News most perfectly calculated to enhance their rage.  

However sincere he may, himself, be, he has publicly and wholeheartedly allied himself with people who, in a very real sense, have declared war on democracy itself.  He has said nothing about the continual barrage of lies with which his allies are poisoning our civic culture.  Instead, he added to the pollution  He chose, even went far out of his way, to piss me and the rest of his customers off. 

Well, fuck him.  I am still free to decide how I spend my money and I decline to reward him for spitting in my face.  If the collective effect of similar decisions brings hardship to his suppliers who may agree with me, well, then I'd say they need to let John know he's created a problem. 

Cake.  Eat it.  Even CEO's can can pick one, and only one, John.   


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Well, fuck him. I am still free to decide how I spend my money and I decline to reward him for spitting in my face.

Yep.

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I do not care about this guy one bit. Never heard of him.

Just makes the lefties look stupid.

Now I am boycotting Viagra because it keeps showing up on the Golf Channel.

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I wrote this earlier today at OpenLeft, I think it addresses something you said. Sick of arguing.
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Pack of lies? (0.00 / 0)
"$1.8 trillion deficit for 2009"
"Trillions more in deficits projected over the next decade"
"both Medicare and Social Security entitlement spending about to ratchet up several notches over the next 15 years as Baby Boomers become eligible for both"
"Medicare is heading towards bankruptcy" [note that Mackey never says Social Security or Medicaid are in trouble, putting him ahead of most TV announcers]

From NY Times in February:

For his first annual budget next week, President Obama has banned four accounting gimmicks that President George W. Bush used to make deficit projections look smaller. The price of more honest bookkeeping: A budget that is $2.7 trillion deeper in the red over the next decade than it would otherwise appear, according to administration officials. The new accounting involves spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Medicare reimbursements to physicians and the cost of disaster responses. But the biggest adjustment will deal with revenues from the alternative minimum tax, a parallel tax system enacted in 1969 to prevent the wealthy from using tax shelters to avoid paying any income tax.

From Robert Reich in May:

Medicare is entirely different. It's a monster. But fixing it has everything to do with slowing the rate of growth of medical costs -- including, let's not forget, having a public option when it comes to choosing insurance plans under the emerging universal health insurance bill. With a public option, the government can use its bargaining power with drug companies and suppliers of medical services to reduce prices. And, as I've noted, keep pressure on private insurers to trim costs yet provide effective medical outcomes.

But wait - Reich says, "the government can use its bargaining power with drug companies", but from more leaked memos at the Huffington Post, we know the the Obama Administration is doing the exact opposite - cutting deals with drug companies that limit their cost to $80 billion. Meanwhile, Medicare costs are projected to equal SS payments by 2028 - a pretty fast-paced rise. The latest trustee report on Medicare states, "Growing annual deficits are projected to exhaust HI reserves in 2017, after which the percentage of scheduled benefits payable from tax income would decline from 81 percent in 2017 to about 50 percent in 2035".

Now, those pesky Canadian wait times. First, you can Google "canadian health care waiting time" to get pretty much everything you need to know. There's an organization called "The Wait Time Alliance" dedicated to reducing wait times in Canada - read their June report here. . A Power Point from the Canadian Institute of Health that gives some comparisons of wait times between different countries is found here. $6 billion has been spent over the last few years to counter rising wait times in Canada, with not such great results. Ezra Klein, typically considered a blogger on the left, accepts these wait times but notes that the long waits are better than having treatments denied.

Should we boycott Ezra Klein and Robert Reich as well? Or should we come up with answers that address the known problems without lynching anyone who dares mention them?

So let's see, Mackay committed a big sin by mentioning Thatcher on Socialism. But like it or not, over the last year besides running trillion dollar deficits, we've also assumed full or partial ownership of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, GM, Chrysler, and possibly a number of other financial institutions - I've lost track of all the deals. We are heavily overcommitted financially everywhere (we haven't been able to cut back much on Iraq and Afghanistan either have we?). Blame the socialism on Bush, but I think it's still hard to fault Mackey for saying:

"While we clearly need health-care reform, the last thing our country needs is a massive new health-care entitlement that will create hundreds of billions of dollars of new unfunded deficits..." [yes, I cut off the last part]

or: "Health-care reform is very important. Whatever reforms are enacted it is essential that they be financially responsible, and that we have the freedom to choose doctors and the health-care services that best suit our own unique set of lifestyle choices. We are all responsible for our own lives and our own health. We should take that responsibility very seriously and use our freedom to make wise lifestyle choices that will protect our health. Doing so will enrich our lives and will help create a vibrant and sustainable American society."


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May I make a suggestion? Save yourself the effort: Instead of writing all those paragraphs, just say, "Insert Desidero negative comment about Barack Obama here." and be done with it. You are so predictable it gets amazingly boring!

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Your obliviousness to Obama-admitted (and primarily Bush-responsible) trillion-dollar deficits stretching out to the horizon is charming.

Just throw more money at it - we want health "reform" and we want it now, even if it means funneling trillions to pharmaceutical companies with no limit.

Other countries pay half of what we do per capita. Do you see this "reform" fixing that or making it worse?

If it didn't have the name Obama in it, you would be finding another reason to ignore it. I was against upping the war in Afghanistan under Bush as well as under Obama. That's bi-partisanship you can bank on - about $5 billion/month.

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He didn't even mention Obama's name a single time in this comment. How could this possible be construed as a negative comment about Barack Obama?

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So can we have it if we pay for it? 'Cause, unless you're in the "I DON'T BELIEVE YOU" category, he says he's not signing off on a program that isn't paid for. I am worried that they'll cop out by using the CBO defintion of "paid for" where five years of surplus on the front end plus five years of deficit on the back end = "revenue neutral" even if the back end trend line vectors into deeper and deeper red over the ten years after that.

I am not unalarmed by the deficit. We're closing in on 100% of GNP, which is a place we've been before, but one it took us a long time--in conditions of global economic domination--to get out of. But I am convinced by the argument that dealing with this problem, however imperfectly, is critical to slowing the rate of increase. I'm also at least tepidly optimistic that, once we get our confidence back, we're going to see a burst of tax-generating entrepeneurship once people can start a new business without worring about leaving themselves and their family uncovered for several years.

The structural part of the deficit is the fault of George W. Bush and every Blue Dog fool who voted for his insane tax cut (the Republicans in Congress get a pass because they were apparently mindless robots). Most of those lapse next year. Obama shouldn't have committed to maintaining the middle class part, but he did so he's stuck with it. The rest of the deficit--the part attributable to the stimulus and those non-stimulus bailouts that actually put the treasury out of pocket--isn't structural.

I'm dubious about Chrysler, but if the economy moves into positive territory in 2010, they'll make their money back on GM if they resist the temptation to get out of it too early. The AIG hemorraging is coming to an end as those contracts expire. That's dead loss to the treasury.

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I'd be pretty reluctant to bet we're going to make any sort of profit with GM. Though if you ignore expenses like $3 billion for Cash for Clunkers, perhaps you can make it look profitable.

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We elected a president who campaigned on the principle that we had to start having rational policy debates again.

Whaa? You must be very, very, very old, NCSteve. Because for as long as I've been alive, there have always been highly emotional policy debates in public.

Like in the '80s, with Jesse Helms, the Moral Majority, and AIDS/gay rights/ACT UP activism.

Or in the '70s, with inflation, busing, urban decay, the Watergate hearings, and Kent State.

And forget about the '60s, when pretty much every issue discussed in public was highly charged, not that I was conscious of what the hell was going on other than Apollo 11.

So what formerly genteel period of American history are you referring to?

In any case, it's not like the enemies of health care reform from the 1990s all died. Even if John Mackey hadn't written an editorial in the WSJ, he'd still hold the exact same views and the town halls would still be a mess.

You're probably not gonna like this Paul Krugman op-ed, in which he gets into the WABAC machine and recalls:

“I am in this race because I don’t want to see us spend the next year re-fighting the Washington battles of the 1990s. I don’t want to pit Blue America against Red America; I want to lead a United States of America.” So declared Barack Obama in November 2007, making the case that Democrats should nominate him, rather than one of his rivals, because he could free the nation from the bitter partisanship of the past.

Some of us were skeptical. A couple of months after Mr. Obama gave that speech, I warned that his vision of a “different kind of politics” was a vain hope, that any Democrat who made it to the White House would face “an unending procession of wild charges and fake scandals, dutifully given credence by major media organizations that somehow can’t bring themselves to declare the accusations unequivocally false.”

So, how’s it going?

Sure enough, President Obama is now facing the same kind of opposition that President Bill Clinton had to deal with: an enraged right that denies the legitimacy of his presidency, that eagerly seizes on every wild rumor manufactured by the right-wing media complex.

Like Krugman, I have always been skeptical that "rational" dialogue about health care reform was possible in this country. I've seen no evidence in my lifetime to prove it would have been possible.

But if we truly do want a rational debate, it needs to start with Democrats, not with Libertarians, since it's Democratic policy being debated.

Said another way, Dems become part of the problem by behaving rashly to opposing opinions, do they not?

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Well, I'm old enough to remember Rocky and Bullwinkle, but not old enough to remember it was "WABAC" rather than "Wayback."

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I didn't know it was "WABAC" until I Googled it.

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I think this graph is relevant to your comment. It didn't used to be this bad. When I talk about "rational" policy debates, I'm not talking about debates that are dispassionate, nor am I talking about policy debates where one side isn't completely wrong. Instead, I'm talking about a time when each side at least implicitly recognized that the other, however wrongheaded it might be, was necessary to the functioning of democracy and was essential to the maintenance of the opposing party's intellectual vigor. And where the losers don't go all apocalyptic and start hoarding guns and ammo when they lose an election.

As to Krugman, well, never saw a guy who loves a good "I toldja so" more than he does. But in his eagerness to be right, I think he's misdiagnosing the problem a bit. The insanity of the right now is not the same as it was in the 90s. And since I'm also a guy who loves a good "todja," I'm going to say it's worse for precisely the reason I stated http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/the_commenter_formerly_known_as_ncsteve/2009/04/oops.php back in April. Obama, ironically, made it worse by breaking the 48%-48% deadlock we were in throughout the 90s. By peeling (with an assist from GWB)the more or less sane third off of the Republicans and pulled them into the ranks of the independents, he actually put the inmates in charge of the asylum and now that they've got it, they're going to run it their way and they're not giving it back.

I'm still clinging, if you'll pardon the expression, to the idea that if we beat the insane remnant hard enough and do it enough times, they'll either disintegrate and a new, less insane, conservative party will form or the saneer people will finally take the party back.

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I think they need a few more bitter losses to wring the remaining "crazy" out of their system.

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Where do you think someone like Mackey ends up on those graphs, NCSteve?

You might be interested to learn that according to the NYT, some of the same people who defeated health care reform in the '90s are in fact behind the current poisoning of the waters, Betsy McCaughey being the most recently outed. The Times ran an article that tracked the "euthanasia" dog whistles as far back as November:

But the [death panel] rumor — which has come up at Congressional town-hall-style meetings this week in spite of an avalanche of reports laying out why it was false — was not born of anonymous e-mailers, partisan bloggers or stealthy cyberconspiracy theorists.

Rather, it has a far more mainstream provenance, openly emanating months ago from many of the same pundits and conservative media outlets that were central in defeating President Bill Clinton’s health care proposals 16 years ago, including the editorial board of The Washington Times, the American Spectator magazine and Betsy McCaughey, whose 1994 health care critique made her a star of the conservative movement (and ultimately, New York’s lieutenant governor).

Here's McCaughey's February piece for Bloomberg; it's hyper-focused, repetitive in its dire conclusion, and paranoia-inducing.

So when you consider that well-placed conservatives have been working the rank-and-file into a lather for quite a while now, the level of hysteria at the town halls begins to make much more sense.

I personally think Obama needs to clearly address the deficit concerns that people like Mackey have (Obama is currently addressing the death panel concerns), and the Dems need to stay on message and stop being so easily rattled.

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Exactly right. great points. I would even go further and suggest many of the measures under consideration directly address many of Mackey's underlying concerns about revenue-neutral reforms.

Responding with a fanatical cry to the heavens over dissenting ideas seems about the worst possible response that democrats could have had to this op-ed. You hit the nail on the head up above when you said:

But if we truly do want a rational debate, it needs to start with Democrats, not with Libertarians, since it's Democratic policy being debated.
This shit should sell itself yet many liberals go off message at the drop of a hat.

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With you 100% - will shop there for only what we can't get elsewhere - rather make an extra trip then give the SOB more then we have to...

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Rather burn more gas than support a progressive company with a progressive supply chain that has a very progressive mission and ethos? Seems the very definition of biting off your nose to spite your face.

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Whole Foods lost my substantial business with this current nonsense by their CEO.

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Rec'd and not boycotted in spite of the blasphemy against dark El Rey.

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If I'm goin' dark, gotta go Grenada. But man, as milk chocolate goes, there's something about the finish of El Rey that never fells to amaze me.

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That's a tough one. Once you start consuming organic products and are able to buy them for a decent price somewhere, it's hard to shop someplace else that offers a more limited selection and costs more.

The notion of consuming products grown with pesticides and herbicides is anathema to what I've grown accustomed to. I sacrifice to be able to buy organic.

My local health food store is outstanding though it's owned by people with a peculiar mindset. Much of their clientele shares that mindset. And they tend to be libertarian, too. I've been peeved by their positions at times and tried to shop elsewhere. It was short-lived. They're just too good at what they do.

There's a good store close to where I work where I can shop. I've thought about training myself to go there on Fridays on my way home. But then, I know nothing of their owners. At least where I shop now is a known quantity.

I sympathize with where you are on this, NCSteve. Good luck.

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Actually, I wish there was a Whole Foods store around here. What's the point of boycotting something when the lack of it is detrimental to your health / way of life? Who are you hurting?

I shop for what I need, where I need it and for the best price I can find it. Their politics don't concern me. If I want to use my voice I have elected officials who need to hear it.

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Yeah I shop at whole foods too and feel the same way. We have a new store called sunflower that supposedly has some better prices on things so I am going to start shopping there for what I can.

Do you know what else Mackey owns a piece of? I am wondering who owns Vitamin Cottage. We have one of those in town and I can get some things there as well

I am really disappointed in Mackey as he was getting involved in integral philosophy somewhat when I used to work for integral institute.

I would rather see people start looking for solutions to rebuilding our economy 'and' providing health care which has is also a help to businesses in many different respects.

Health care reform is absolutely necessary to improving our economy and for the future of our democracy. I, of course, believe a single payer system is absolutely best for our economy and our overall health and well being.

I wonder if Mackey owns part of the health insurance or pharma racket? I think that those people who invest themselves in this industry did so because they felt it was a sure thing that would never dip or go away. They have you by the short hairs, so to speak, because it's about survival and quality of life.

We need more innovation to move people toward more manufacturing and new services that they can exploit...

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I am very fortunate in that the organic market is so supported in Boulder, CO that I can buy organic produce etc in my regular grocery store as well... I don't always feel the quality is as good but depending on the season and sources some times it is very good.

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As usual, I disagree :)

I respect your personal choice, but I sincerely hope liberals don't really bail on a company that is really committed to progressive values, sustainability, environment friendly, supporting small and local farmers instead of the corporate behemoths because the CEO wrote an op-ed critical of health reform. Mackey is rich, a boycott won't significantly damage him personally too badly. The people who would really be hurt by it are the employees, vendors and shareholders. And the kitties. Think of your poor cats forced to eat non-Whole Foods cat food. Oh the humanity.

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Me, too, Dij...this is CRAZY talk!

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Hey, like I said, not completely boycotting. Just limiting myself to the cat food, milk and, if they ever get it in again, El Rey. Like I said, they have ways of making their objections to other brands known that are a tad labor intensive.

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I agree with Steve. I won't boycott but it sure will give me another reason not to buy over priced food. What has Whole Foods really done except make it more difficult for local co-ops who are really supporting local farmers? It would be interesting to see their internal marketing analysis to see what their actual demographics are. I know the Whole Foods near me is located in an upscale demographic, liberal area yes, but I'd guess the actual food buyers tend to the upper income suburban SUV driving types who may not be that darn liberal in the voting booth.

It has been my observation that conservative moms who want organic for their own kids don't necessarily give a damn if the poor kids go without. (Anybody seen a Whole Foods in an impoverished neighborhood?)

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I've been to single local coop here in DC which is in Takoma Park.

They have the exact same small manufacturer product lines and same ratio of local vegetables to those trucked in from wherever. In fact, we wanted to go there instead of Whole Foods but found it simply had less selection for about the same price and takes us twice as long to get there and back to our house.

Coops were never going to enough to change our food paradigm alone. It takes a national chain pursuing those policies to make enough dent in the market to force change. I suspect the owners of Annie's and Amy's food companies are a lot more positive about the mission of Whole Foods to change our expectations of food.

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