Incoming!
The following two paragraphs in E.J. Dionne's "Profiles in Courage" piece this morning caught my eye. Dionne was praising some freshman Democrats from districts Obama lost who had the cojones to vote for the cap and trade bill despite the certainty that they'd face Republican attack ads for doing soj.
Still, for many potentially vulnerable Democrats who backed the bill, there will be short-run political pain. Perriello and Markey were among 14 House members targeted by the National Republican Congressional Committee for their votes. In Perriello's case, a tough television ad predicts huge increases in electricity prices.
Perriello is philosophical about the assault, though he says he's surprised that Republicans are "using information they know is fundamentally wrong." He plans to use the July 4th weekend in his district to talk about the urgency of energy independence and the potential for renewable-energy jobs. Perriello's fate will be a test of just how new our politics have become.
He's "surprised that Republicans are 'using information they know is fundementally wrong'"? I don't think he's surprised that they're lying. He's clearly been in politics long enough to know that that's a "because their lips are moving" thing. No, evidently, he's looking at it from a professional politician's standpoint and thinks putting out ads that make scary predictions that they have to know will be proven ridiculously wrong later is evidence of surprising political ineptitude.
He may be right. One of the tracks my needle keeps getting stuck in (yeah, there's a metaphor guarenteed to blow past a lot of the twenty-somethings) is that the Republicans don't seem to be institutionally capable of understanding the extent to which the ground has shifted beneath them. They spent twenty or thirty years working with a model of the electorate that assumed that the attractiveness of a talking point to a majority of the voters was inversely proportional to its stupidity. They got good results from that model for decades and they're really having trouble letting go of it just because it failed them in two elections in a row.
Which is why I expect they'll keep harping on this same point, no matter how ridiculously wrong they're proven later. They believe it will work because they still fondly recall the days when the majority of the poor, working class and middle class voters in enough states to give them 270+ electoral votes were convinced, absolutely, inalterably convinced that Bill Clinton Raised Their Taxes!
I remember those days well. The belief that Bill Clinton Raised My Taxes! was one of the most important factors that kept North Carolina bright red from 1994 until 2006. It was amazing to behold when you ran up against it with someone you considered a friend or a friendly acquaintance. Some co-worker would go off on Bill and you'd ask them, "why are you so mad?" and invariably they'd spit back: "because Bill Clinton Raised My Taxes!" At that point, my legal training and my inner adolescent redneck boy's love of experimentin' would take over I'd have to cross examine them a bit, just by way of psychological field test. "Really?" I'd say, "did your withholding go up?" "When did that happen?" "How much was it?" Like that.
Once, I got a coworker so incensed by this line of questioning that she dug out a direct deposit stub from three years earlier, compared it to a recent one, and triumphantly showed me that her withholding had, in fact, gone up. (Yeah, she was so mad, she didn't even mind showing me how much she made.) I then pointed out that her base salary had gone up and I convinced her do the math. She did it, saw that the numbers on her marginal tax rate were basically the same, did the math on her state witholding, saw that they were the same and then did the math on her FICA. All the same except for a little movement on the right side of the decimal point that even she didn't quibble over.
She did the math and it didn't change a thing. Despite the evidence right there in front of her, despite the fact that she did the math herself, she still knew with absolute certainty that Bill Clinton Raised Her Taxes!
And yes, I know that, at his initiative, Congress did bump up the gasoline tax at the same time it added a new top marginal rate for people who made much more than this lady (and I) did. I even conceded that to her. "Yes," I said, "Congress bumped up the price of gas a few cents, but that's not what you're talking about is it?" "No, dammit!" she said. "I don't know what's going on with these numbers, but I know He Raised My Taxes!"
I swear I'm not making this up. She wasn't dumb. Not a bit of it. But this is the Bible Belt, she went to a Baptist school and her certainty that Bill Clinton Raised Her Taxes was of a piece with her certainty that Jesus rose from the tomb and the creation story of Genesis was literally true. I'd be willing to bet she believes it to this day.
That's what the Republicans are counting on. These ads, and this talking point, will never stop. No objective evidence will make them stop. They're going to scream from the mountaintops and from the steeples and pulpits that B. Hussein Obama Raised Your Electricity Bill and they really believe that people will buy it even when their power bills don't spike. Better still, they think that from now on, any increases that would have occurred regardless of whether htis bill passes will now be blamed on Obama.
And why not? It worked before. I wish I was totally confident they're wrong. But I have some nagging doubts because, see, there's this lady I know who is still, to this day, absolutely, positively certain that Bill Clinton Raised Her Taxes.
















really good post, former NC Steve. Nothing like honest, one on one encounters with the truth. Followed by denial. I've been on both sides of that equation, admittedly. In many ways, we all have I would imagine.
I'm a big fan of the truth and don't mind the humility it takes to see it sometimes.
July 2, 2009 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
People believe all kinds of dumb stuff, and not all of it favors the Reps. Bottom line: if the economy improves noticeably before 2012, Obama and the Dems will do well in the succeeding election(s), because that's what most swing voters care about most. If we manage to pass a health care bill that leaves most people better off, and some other stuff that meaningfully improves the lives of most working/middle class people, there'll be a longer lasting shift toward the Dems and/or a shift of the entire spectrum left, i.e., "realignment", an overused, somewhat simplistic concept, but still useful.
If none of this happens, the Lord only knows, but it's likely to be ugly.
That is a great and revealing story, though. Quite likely she wanted to believe Bill Clinton raised her taxes because she didn't like his stands on God, Guns, and Gays, i.e., the social issues that mattered most to her.
July 2, 2009 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think that people such as that tax challenged lady you met are truly confused at all. What they are is predisposed to anger and hate and resentment. Because they see themselves as good and moral persons they must assign blame for their destructive feelings to some external cause. Such an external cause has to be fully external to their belief and their values system. Hence, Bill Clinton raised my taxes despite your having proved to her that he didn't.
That is behavior we can observe among the Tea Party types as well. The problem is that they all are zealots. Facts don't matter. Logic doesn't matter. All that matters is feeling what they want to feel, and believing what they want to believe. Which, of course, is that they are always in the right and righteous, while the rest of us are always in the wrong and nefarious. It's pretty much impossible to reach such politically zealous people through debate, as can be observed by the comments of a certain few ideologically zealous bloggers here, on TPM.
rec'd
July 2, 2009 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
In large part, aside from crises, politics boils down to public relations work. The fact that the R brand was so badly damaged in the past eight years is about all that stands between these tactics being effective for the Rs or not.
July 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. In fact, the lack of a coordinated and serious effort to ridicule conservatives whenever they say and do outrageous things ( which is, all the time) reminds me way too much of the non-serious way in which the Democratic majority handled the Republican minority before the election of Reagan swept the Dems. out of power.
Yes, certain familiar media figures (K.O., etc.) do provide some amount of ridicule, but where is the steady parade of Democratic office holders counter-attacking the republicans? Where is the Democratic party's PR campaign to make Republicans pay a political price for indiscriminately flinging poo at the wall instead of just hoping nothing sticks. Guess what, Dems.? Eventually, something will stick. I want to hear Democrats strongly jamming every moronic or bigoted thing Michelle Bachman, or Tom Tancredo, or Rush Limbaugh, or Boehner says down the collective throat of the entire GOP.
July 2, 2009 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hopefully that will improve a bit when Franken is seated.
July 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
A couple of points fairness compel me to make.
First, in the interest of full disclosure, I cheated and reset the start time clock on this post because I forgot to check the "TPMDC" box, or any box, for that matter and this thing floated off into comment limbo.
Second, I think I need to make it clear that I liked this person a great deal. Haven't seen her in a long time but we were office pals. I really couldn't, or at least wouldn't, have been able to goad her into popping up her Windows calculator for the math if she wasn't nor would I have conducted this kind of mindfrak on some random coworker who didn't enjoy a little fencing now and then. She was smart and she was not particularly filled with acrimony towards liberals, at least not by the standards of white rural North Carolina natives in the 90s.
What she was, however, was a graduate of one of the "Christian" schools attached to nearly every largish Baptist Church in the south. They started springing up in the 70s so parents could protect their kids from the evils of science and non-jingoism based history books and critical thinking. They quite frankly indoctrinate them with a number of thought-control techniques to enable them to believe nonsensical things and block out attempts to reason with them. One minute you're talking to a normal person and, boom, the next you're talking to a character in an Orwell novel. It's just creepy to see. It always reminded me of the Red Queen believing six(?) impossible things before breakfast.
July 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
You would think so but the RNC doesn't see it that way. They get the lie out there and push it as hard as they can, knowing that the future debunking ends up as a newspaper footnote on page 37 later.
They never really have any repercussions for telling whoppers. And many repub voters only rely on Faux and Fiends for their news so they will never hear that the lies have been proven wrong.
July 2, 2009 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great story Steve. Politics aside though, republicans have not cornered the market on illogic. As a species, we are very much stuck with that.
There is a problem however with people who understand how this all works and exploit their knowledge to cynically screw over people who they supposedly represent. Using knowledge or understanding in this way for the express purpose of screwing people over is low.
This has a great deal to do with so much of what our government has sought to hide from the American people.
I feel sorry for the woman you refer to in your story. Her unrelenting faith in what her elected officials told her is matched only by her refusal to acknowledge the obvious. Long held ideas of things are so very hard to change. Sometimes all the empirical evidence in the world won't do it. The flip side isn't all that great though. I haven't trusted a soul since Vietnam ended.
July 2, 2009 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is your title "Incoming!" about? Is it a reference to what soldiers shout when rockets and mortars are incoming?
July 2, 2009 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heck, Steve, your story reminded me of the relative (by marriage) who has been spending all excess cash on ammo because "Obama will be taking my guns away over my dead body." How sad both examples are.....
July 2, 2009 11:01 PM | Reply | Permalink