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Regarding that Blistering Report from DOJ re: Torture


I am, as I have mentioned before, an attorney with the Department of Justice.

I wanted to drop a note regarding the headline on TPM today, and the accompanying link to a Newsweek article regarding the report on the work by Yoo and Bybee (and others) on the "torture memo" put out by the Office of Legal Counsel during the Bush Administration. 

The content of the memo and the articles speak for themselves, but I do hope beyond hope that those progressives who were quick to beat the drum that the Obama administration, and Attorney General Holder specifically, had sided with the Bush Administration on--depending on where you read it depended on how it was phrased--"justice for torture victims" and "torture policy" and "state secrets for torture techniques."  

I am inside the DOJ, and I can tell you that when the DOJ attorney stood before the Ninth Circuit and said that the Department would stand by the assertion of the state secrets privilege in that case, he meant what he said: that the Department would stand by the assertion of the states secret privilege in that case.  That was the position he was told to take, but people mistakenly conflate the position a trial attorney is told to take at a particular moment under particular circumstances as the assertion of broad policy by the Department regarding torture and/or state secrets, world without end, amen.

The assertion was made given a particular case at a time of transition.  The AG had been in place all of a week or so by the time the trial attorneys were preparing for their arguments before the Niners.  There were at that time (and remain, I believe) no deputies beneath Holder.  You are talking about a Department operating at this moment largely under the guidance of attorneys in the civil service who are not political appointees, and who would not dare to create policy lest their decisions tie the hands of the political appointees who will take their seats in short order (I should note that the civil service attorneys in the Department are stunningly committed to the cause of Justice here, and to do so in consultation with colleagues in an effort to understand and apply the law, regardless of political ideology and belief.  Which is why the last 8 years have been so demoralizing).

So when I saw the representation made by the trial attorney, followed by a statement from the DOJ and the White House that the assertion of the states secrets privilege would be reviewed, I understood that position to mean that until it was up and running, the position would be a safe placeholder position until Politicals (i.e., the political appointees) were in place and policy could be set.

Because, you see, it is far, far easier to later waive the privilege if you decide it is unwarranted than it is to assert a privilege you have stood up and waived. 

The trial attorney did the right thing in the Boeing case; the acting associate and acting deputy AGs did the right thing in taking a prudent course that would not tie this Administration's hands in the future (while leaving open the possibility in a change in the assertion of the privilege).   The cautious approach is the correct one.

I hope that this latest revelation shows that progressives need to stop, chill, think, and maybe have a little patience before concluding from one action taken in a limited manner at a time of transition does not portend the shape of policy for an entire presidency.  There are practical personnel and staffing matters that had more to do with this than anything.  The DOJ memo lambasting Yoo and Bybee is but the first of items that will show that the Obama administration--and this Department--are likely to implement changes that will establish clear policy and procedural differences between this administration and the last.

Chill out.  Be patient.  Stay tuned. 

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Sorry for the typos. I am hurrying to get work done, but wanted to get my quick thoughts down.

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The one sentence should have read:

I do hope beyond hope that those progressives who were quick to beat the drum that the Obama administration, and Attorney General Holder specifically, had sided with the Bush Administration on--depending on where you read it depended on how it was phrased--"justice for torture victims" and "torture policy" and "state secrets for torture techniques"--see this as a small sign that they were, perhaps, too quick in their judgment.
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I also note for the record that I have not seen the memo.

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Thanks for this heads up - especially with the dept. Till now your advice has always been excellent. So I'm going to continue to follow your it.

Perhaps you could drop us a blog from time to time. I, for one, am convinced that policies need to be reversed and justice must ultimately run its course. But I am also content to wait for a time, as the wheels of justice grind their slow, methodical course.

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Thanks for this, LarsT. Really useful clarification.

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Thank you for your take on this issue. It's, dare I say, encouraging.

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See Lars, you have just backed up statements made by one of my favorite Senator--Feingold. I trust that man. And you really make me feel good this afternoon. Really good.

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Thanks!

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Thank you, Mr. Thorwald, for the reality check. I read all those outraged blog headlines last week declaring that the Obama administration = the Bush administration on "state secrets" policy, then when I read the articles, lo and behold the facts pertained to the single case you cite. I saw no evidence or facts presented that would lead me to believe a policy had been established of that Obama and/or Holder had suddenly warmed to the opinions of Cheney and Addington. It's nice to hear your inside view, and thanks for the reminder that ". . . progressives need to stop, chill, think, and maybe have a little patience . . ."

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Good advice Lars.

You're not posting to TPM during working hours, I hope.

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Yeah, on his lunch hour, apparently.

Good grief!

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Today is a federal holiday, and I am at work, alone, slaving away for the cause of justice. So if I want to take a fifteen-minute break to craft a typo-laden post, it is no skin off the taxpayers' backs. In fact, with me you always get more for your money.

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I was joking. I appreciate your service.

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I just wish you'd stop beating up your hip-hop girlfriends, Chris Brown. Winky emoticon.

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Hey now....that's "R&B girlfriends" to you. :P

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I wish I had a hip hop girlfriend.

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Lighten up. It was a joke.

Good grief.

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Progressives do NOT need to "chill" on the issues of Obama and progressive policies. The other side has definitely NOT "chilled" and every time we let their voice be heard without our response we are marginalized.

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Oh yes Marq. You betcha. Silence is ignored by all quarters. Well said.

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No, but progressives need to chill on squaking wolf where there is no wolf to be found. I wish people would read articles more. Not headlines. Articles.

The outrage on this issue was misplaced. In my humble opinion.

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Lars - what's your number at work? I'd like to call and discuss with you some of the issues you've raised.

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Lars, thank you so much for all this information!

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Cville - you actually believe that Lars works at the DOJ?

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I think the idea of “how much would you bet?” is often a helpful way to measure the strength of a persons belief. What odds would you give? I rarely even approach certainty about anything but I believe many things to a level that I would bet they are true. What you seem to be suggesting, that Lars T is lying, is certainly possible, but I doubt it. I would bet that he is in the DOJ.
I think that if we were actually sitting in a cafe talking, and we had access to the truth, one way or another, I would bet you a hundred dollars that he is telling the truth. I don't think you would take that bet even though you suggest that it is obvious that he is lying.
But, we're not and maybe you would.

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I will bet eleventy trillion dollars to MiddleClassBill I work at the DOJ. Although I am not sure what I could provide you to prove it other than a copy of my laminated credential stating "Trial Attorney" with a picture of me, which said credential is contained in a black bi-fold wallet thing that has a gold-colored embossed logo of the Department of Justice on the front. Or maybe a copy of my CAC security badge that gets me into my building. Or maybe a subpoena. Or maybe a toe. I could get a toe, no problem. I could get a toe by this afternoon.

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With nail polish on it, even.

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Lars - why would you risk losing your job at the DOJ by posting things on this website? I can't imagine that the DOJ would allow its employees to discuss work related topics on here.

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MiddleClassBill,

I am familiar with the Hatch Act, which governs the political activities of Department employees. The Hatch Act does not prevent DOJ attorneys from commenting on matters of public import. There is nothing in any of my posts--and there will never be anything in any of my posts--that divulges any confidential matter or any "hold close" material. Indeed, I went out of my way to note that I had not seen the memo reported on, and thus my comments are as blind to the specific content as anyone's.

There is nothing wrong with commenting on a matter of public concern as a Department employee, or even offering a perspective on a public matter from the perspective of someone working inside the Department, but wholly unaffiliated with the specifics of the matter at hand (in this case, the memo).

I merely pointed out that people who jump to conclusions that the stand taken in a particular case does not stamp into stone a Department-wide policy. Any attorney or anyone who has ever worked in government could tell you that.

But thanks for the concern.

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If you had half a brain and were concerned about your job security, do you think you'd be posting things on here?

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Why are you so hostile about a person who is speaking the truth? Do you think it is the obligation of government employees to hide the truth from the public? I guess, as a republican, that is your basic belief.

Thank goodness there are people like Lars who are moral, unlike those you idolize.

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Only a complete idiot would think that an employee of the DOJ is going to be posting things on this website. Illegal? Maybe not. But risking one's job? Yes

Once again you make generalizations that you know nothing about. You just like calling people obtuse and wimpy (?).

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Oh, did I hurt your feelings? Why do you think that government employees should not be able to express their opinions?

Do you really think that people who work for the government should be in a separate world? That they should keep everything that they do secret? Why?

Do you have any idea how many government employees there are? Should they all be silent? Why?

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Of course you didn't hurt my feelings. I'm surprised you still respond to my comments. Since I apparently frustrate you so much.

Government employees (and all employees for that matter) can definitely express their opinions. They should express them to their colleagues and supervisors. They should not be discussing internal views and future strategies here in the open.

I'm not saying that they should keep everything secret. But if I discussed my company's business on this blog, my boss wouldn't like it very much. It's not appropriate.

Since you asked, my guess would be that there's about 2 million government employees. I'm not saying that they need to be kept silent.

And I think the DOJ would think the same.

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Please never again complain that I don't respond to your posts. I think it's the other way around. You didn't answer my post from yesterday

You still think that tax cuts are what drove the redistribution of wealth to favor the rich?

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I also asked why you are such a raging bitch - but you never answered that question either.

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by the way - who are you saying that I "idolize"??

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Lars - what's your number at work? I'd love to discuss these issues with you in more detail. If you're so "open" about what goes on at the DOJ I'm sure you wouldn't mind sharing your contact information. Thanks

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Very encouraging. Thanks for helping us understand. Wow! Misleading headlines! Whodathunkit!

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