Bailout Backlash - Apparently, That's Obama's Fault
Color me unimpressed with Adam Nagourney's latest piece in The New York Times on populist anger against bailouts for AIG.
Don't get me wrong, I'm with the populists on this one. $170 million in executive bonuses for the guys who ended up sinking the ship is, as Jon Stewart so brilliantly put it last week to Jim Cramer, "disingenuous at best and criminal at worst."
But Nagourney lost me from the get-go because of this (bold mine):
The Obama administration is increasingly concerned about a populist backlash against banks and Wall Street, worried that anger at financial institutions could also end up being directed at Congress and the White House and could complicate President Obama's agenda.
Nagourney is leaving out some critical context here. A lot, in fact.
Last I checked, the Obama Administration has been championing reform of America's broken economy through, in part, greater regulation on Wall Street banks and transparency. He even ran a campaign on it! Here's what The Wall Street Journal quoted him as saying just a couple of weeks ago:
"The choice we face is not between some oppressive government-run economy or a chaotic and unforgiving capitalism," Mr. Obama said. "Rather, strong financial markets require clear rules of the road, not to hinder financial institutions, but to protect consumers and investors and ultimately to keep those financial institutions strong."
It sure sounds to me like Obama is working towards putting an end to those credit swap abuses at the crux of the failing economy. I would also argue that Obama was smart enough to know that the public was with him when he campaigned for greater regulation. The proof of that, of course, is that America voted for him.
Yet Nagourney seems to be implying that Obama is only now just realizing that the public is quite angry at its failing financial institutions, and that Obama is concerned that he might be responsible for that anger. Nagourney is either forgetting or conveniently ignoring the fact that, according to a recent NBC/WSJ poll, "Eighty-four percent say this is an economy Obama inherited, and two-thirds of those people think he has at least a year before he's responsible for it." I'm not sure Obama needs to do much to distance himself from Wall Street when a super-majority of the public recognizes that Obama currently has nothing to do with its failures.
Of course, Nagourney then goes on to write:
The administration's sharp rebuke of the American International Group on Sunday for handing out $165 million in executive bonuses -- Lawrence H. Summers, director of the president's National Economic Council, described it as "outrageous" on "This Week" on ABC -- marks the latest effort by the White House to distance itself from abuses that could feed potentially disruptive public anger.
My first reaction to this statement in bold was that it was a pointless waste of space. Obama campaigned for reform of failing banks, America is mad about its failing banks, ergo the Obama administration is also mad at failing banks and therefore trying to distance itself from said failing banks out of fear that Americans will get mad at further failure of banks.....thanks, Captain Obvious!
But now, my reaction is a little bit different. Nagourney is suggesting that the Obama economic plan is merely a political strategy. Obama doesn't want to implement tougher regulation of banks because he thinks it would be sound economic policy -- he wants to do it because it's all part of the White House's strategic, calculated effort to tamp down public outrage. Moreover, Nagourney's argument is a circular one. Obama has, so far, been demanding for greater accountability of these financial institutions; he realized that the public, like he, had grown fed up with those previously in power who failed to institute tighter regulation (the GOP); but Obama might not be able to implement tougher regulation because the public would be angry at the same banks for which Obama wants tougher regulation. How does that argument make sense?
Nagourney also writes this little condescending gem:
For all his political skills and his capturing of the nation's desire for change in the 2008 election, Mr. Obama, a product of Harvard Law School who calls upscale Hyde Park in Chicago home, has shown little inclination to strike a more populist tone. The danger, aides said, is that if he were to become identified as an advocate for the banks and Wall Street, people could take out their anger on him.
What? First of all, what does it matter what school he went to or where he's from? Did Nagourney forget that Obama came from a not-so-economically-well-off childhood, or that he and his wife finished paying off their school loans only a few years ago? This statement just reeks of false anger against those "librul elites" who "hate America" and want change. Jon Stewart is a successful, rich TV personality.....but nobody in his or her right mind would accuse Jon Stewart of being a partisan hack or a hypocrite for railing against Wall Street and CNBC just because he's rich. Well, nobody except Tucker Carlson.
Plus, I seem to recall Obama calling attention to the "height of irresponsibility" for the asshats on Wall Street who got us into this mess. Here's what Obama had to say when it was reported in late January that Wall Street executives gave themselves almost $20 billion in bonuses in 2008:
President Obama yesterday scolded Wall Street bankers who received millions of dollars in bonuses last year, calling the payouts "shameful" and chiding the executives for a lack of personal responsibility at a precarious time for the nation's economy.
"There will be time for them to make profits, and there will be time for them to get bonuses," the clearly irritated president said. "Now's not that time. And that's a message that I intend to send directly to them."
The sad thing about Nagourney's article is that the gist of it deals with a legitimate concern: Public resentment against AIG and the failing economy. After years of being lied to from the previous administration about Iraq, WMDs, the economy, torture, Katrina -- well, just about everything -- Americans don't want to feel like they're getting scammed again. We're frustrated because we know it won't do any good to throw money again and again at AIG if they're just gonna continue to waste it on executive bonuses. We're mad as hell and we're not gonna take it anymore.
But I'm pretty sure that Obama is mad about it too. He ran on a campaign of change, and we voted for him because we felt he was best equipped to deliver that change. If the people are angry at anybody, their anger is, in all probability, directed mostly towards those in Congress whose ideas for saving the economy involve obstructing everything about the recovery plan (even the parts that don't exist) and giving tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. And who might those great bastions of economic knowledge be? That's right, the GOP!
The public is with Obama right now, not the Republicans. Maybe that explains why the GOP's approval rate remains so low while Obama's remains pretty high. Nagourney would do better to recognize that.
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Update: According to Muzikal203's diary on Daily Kos, here's what Obama had to say about the AIG bonuses:
But before I talk about the new steps we're taking to get credit flowing to small businesses across our country, I want to comment on the news about executive bonuses at AIG.
This is a corporation that finds itself in financial distress due to recklessness and greed.
Under these circumstances, it's hard to understand how derivative traders at AIG warranted any bonuses, much less $165 million in extra pay. How do they justify this outrage to the taxpayers who are keeping the company afloat?
In the last six months, AIG has received substantial sums from the US Treasury. I've asked Secretary Geithner to use that leverage and pursue every legal avenue to block these bonuses and make the American taxpayers whole.
I know he's working to resolve this matter with the new CEO, Edward Liddy, who came on board after the contracts that led to these bonuses were agreed to last year.
This isn't just a matter of dollars and cents. It's about our fundamental values.
All across the country, there are people who work hard and meet their responsibilities every day, without the benefit of government bailouts or multi-million dollar bonuses. And all they ask is that everyone, from Main Street to Wall Street to Washington, play by the same rules.
That is an ethic we must demand.
What this situation also underscores is the need for overall financial regulatory reform, so we don't find ourselves in this position again, and for some form of resolution mechanism in dealing with troubled financial institutions, so we have greater authority to protect the American taxpayer and our financial system in cases such as this. We will work with Congress to that end.
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Cross-posted at Daily Kos












Excellent take-down of the "analysis"! Your analysis trumps his - by far!
Kudos on an excellent blog!
March 16, 2009 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks. I'm surprised, but it's actually getting a less favorable reaction on Daily Kos.
March 16, 2009 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a bit of bait-and-switch going on here. How can the government act surprised when they force-fed the bailout to the American public?
Polls consistently showed the electorate did not want the bailouts. Still, the government used apokolyptic gloom-and-doom rhetoric to shove through a bailout with no strings, no oversight,...nothing. Hundreds of billions in free money for corporations that were too big to fail (like AIG).
Now here comes the bait-and-switch. The American public is getting wise to just how ridiculous TARP was and is. Tossing money at a problem hoping it will go away is not good policy. So what does the government do to distract the public? They villify AIG for using no-strings money however they felt.
Give me a break. AIG and their ilk *caused* the global economic meltdown. We're supposed to be surprised that they'd be irresponsible with no-strings free money? Color me unimpressed.
The President and Congress can whine and stomp their feet and hold their breath until they turn purple, but it just looks like grand standing from my vantage point. The government gave away free money. Acting outraged at how it was used is hypocrisy at its most glaring.
Before we give out money in the future, let's do a better job of building in some oversight, hmm?
March 16, 2009 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will say that you're right that tougher oversight is needed in any future bailout plans (though I think one of the overall goals is stopping any more home foreclosures from occurring).
However, I think it's too early to declare that Obama is being hypocritical. I still believe the economic stimulus package needs time to work and I don't agree with Nagourney's assertion that the public could be rapidly turning against Obama when a) he's been in office for not even 2 months yet, and b) he's still working hard to correct for the economic failures of the Bush Administration when they will not be fixed overnight.
March 16, 2009 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't he vote for the bailout?
March 16, 2009 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
You can blame anyone who voted for the bailout however imperfect the bill may be, it was moment in time some of the big names had to be rescued for the long term interest.
March 16, 2009 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I mean you cannot blame...oopsie...
March 16, 2009 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would call it disingenuous. They knew about the bonuses last week *before* they doled out another $30bn to AIG and only reacted to the bonuses when the public started yelling loud and clear.
He needs to get rid of Geithner, to trade him in on a better communicator if nothing else. Timmy is not used to a public forum and doesn't seem to understand the urgency of reassuring the hoi polloi.
What's more, Obama *should* be concerned about the politics of the mess. People are going to get really restless if they don't start seeing improvement or some reassurance that thing are under control. We haven't had that yet.
March 16, 2009 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
the government used apokolyptic gloom-and-doom rhetoric to shove through a bailout with no strings, no oversight,...nothing. Hundreds of billions in free money for corporations that were too big to fail (like AIG).
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That occurred BEFORE Obama took office.
Do we blame Obama for Bushit's economic shell games? Some will.
March 16, 2009 7:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, who was it ran to congress all hair on fire with a 3 page plan wrapped around the gun of fear yelling give me the money or else?
For those with short term memory loss it was Paulson under Bush.
March 17, 2009 6:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
As I recall the "government" that bailed out AIG with no strings was the Fed under Bush. That bailout was not part of TARP that was voted on by Congress after being stampeeded with cries of doom in the middle of a heated election.
The current possibility of oversight is that USA owns 80% of AIG and if that doesn't give us a vote we should sell that stock to the Chinese. Those suckers decapitate thieves like this after dragging them through the streets. Actually a guotine placed on display on Wall Street wouldn't be a bad idea. Remind those guys what can happen when irresponsible aristocrats abuse their positions of privilege and authority.
March 17, 2009 8:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
He did, as did a whole lot of others in the Senate at the time. I guess my point is that it's going to take time to judge the outcomes of the bailout and stimulus bills. I don't know exactly how much time, but if, say, at the end of 2009 we're still seeing large banks go under, people losing their homes at an increasing rate, unemployment still skyrocketing.....then we'll be in pretty bad shape.
Perhaps I'm optimistic about his policies, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
March 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
this comment was meant in response to RobbyLove's comment at 1:57 pm, apologies if that was not clear.
March 16, 2009 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm for benefit of the doubt.
However, he has been in office for two months, but hasn't changed the world yet.
March 16, 2009 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Color me utterly unconvinced.
I think that Nagourney is right on. Sure some extraneous details like 'hyde park' rankle, but the truth is anger does not come naturally to Obama. His outrage is parsed out in measured monotones. During the campaign, I thought it was because he was careful not to portray himself as an angry black man, but now I really think it is just his demeanor- calm and measured.
However that is not what I want to hear. If he was smart he would do a joint press conference with Biden and appoint Biden the man to go after AIG, and forget that mouse Giethner. Biden can do populist anger and would slam AIG and make them feel bad about it.
'Every legal avenue' oh no I'm shaking in my boots. Obama should have exercised our warrants today, take over AIG and fire Liddy. Take back the bonuses, legal or not. Let em sue. Call their bluff, play hard ball, and tell it to their face that days are done. Plaster their images all over the entire country. Publize each one, make it so they will never get a job in this country again if they publicly apologize.
March 16, 2009 2:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. It is time for a house cleaning. I am so tired of the proposition that these are the best and the brightest. It's a circle jerk. They name each other as the best and brightest because they extract the biggest salaries from their respective companies. The salaries do not reflect the talent at their work. It reflects their talent at extacting high salaries.
I just posted a commentary on how the UAW gave up their legal contracts in favor of their companies. So what makes these "executives" so special? Everyone was outraged at $85/hour. What are these guys making on a hourly basis? I don't have calculator to show me.
March 16, 2009 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a good point. This blog post didn't address the contracts issue that Glenn Greenwald did in his blog post today (which I pretty much agree with). There really shouldn't be any reason contractual reason that would prevent the Obama Administration from taking action against AIG.
Where I took issue with Nagourney's piece is his premise that populist anger on the economy now rests all at Obama's doorstop for stuff that the Bush Administration took 8 years f***ing up. Again, if we're still in the same spot by the end of 2009 with lots of large banks drowning, followed by massive bailouts, then it'd be pretty hard not to blame Obama and his team for the consequences.
But for now, I'm being patient.
(As for the executive bonuses....I'm all with the populist rage on that. Stop 'em completely.)
March 16, 2009 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seem disengenuous of Nagourney to state the populist rage is now at Obama's doorstep. I think he wishes that is where the rage was, but it remains on the steps of Wall Street. Of course, if those Wall Streeters are the only folks you hang with, they can be perceived by Nagourney as the populists. But one hase to ignore the other 300 million people to believe this is an accurate statement, that the "populists" are raging against Obama.
March 16, 2009 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
What are these guys making on a hourly basis? I don't have calculator to show me.
Mine doesn't have enough zeroes....(joke).
If contracts can be ignored, broken, or whatever the legal term is during a bankruptcy, why can't the US government, when it "owns" 80% of AIG exert authority over these contracts?
I'm not a lawyer or an economist, obviously, so if anyone out there is, I'd appreciate a response.
March 16, 2009 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know on the legal issues, but we actually don't yet own 80%. We just have Warrents that allow us to whenever we choose to exercise em.
March 16, 2009 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does that mean we could exercise them now if we wanted?
March 16, 2009 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not certain. I just tried to research that and this is what I found
http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/tg44.htm
Seems to imply the warrents were converted on March 4. However, it is dated March 2, so who knows what slight of hand might have ensued.
Any Experts around here?
March 16, 2009 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
When you exercise a warrant to buy stock, you still have to pay for the stock at the warrant price.
I'm not up on the latest details of TARP N, but there was talk about changing things so the government would give up the preferred stock for worthless common stock. I didn't hear anything about warrant status changing.
March 16, 2009 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
The color of the collar is the difference. Everyone knows that anyone who wears a blue collar is a "socialist," so contracts with them are a mere courtesy; no contract with a "socialist" can be legally binding!
Let them put on a white collar -- THAT makes the contract ironclad!
March 16, 2009 7:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heard on NPR that the executives considered not taking the bonus but realized they have families to take care of. I need to clarify that. The reporter asked if the executives were asked to return or turn down the bonuses and the reply was "....they have families to take care of". Sorry I can't remember more of it. The interview was a couple of days ago and I got focused on how much they need to take care of a family.
March 17, 2009 6:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Like Latrell Sprewell.
Spre turned down a $14 million contract offer because he had to feed his family.
The outrage was deafening. I'm quite certain we'll hear a similar outrage over this, right?
March 17, 2009 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Getting Biden to do the job on AIG instead of Geithner would definitely be interesting. He is a populist at heart, and I'm not yet sold on Geithner's performance as Treasury Sec myself.
But, I'm not so sure that Obama ISN'T laying the groundwork for taking such action in the future. He has clearly come out against the lavish bonuses for executives of the failed banks, so I find it hard to believe that he isn't pushing or won't push to end the practice (although maybe not as fast as some might like). Plus, I'm sure he's well aware of the intense anger that the public has for bailing out the banks, so I'm guessing he knows that he's going to have to push for greater oversight in future legislation.
All of this is to say that it's going to take time for it to work, and I'm willing to be patient to see that it does.
I don't know what it would take in the short term -- another executive order prohibiting the bonuses? I would have no complaints there.
March 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think AIG bonuses is a turning point. We have dumped 170 billion into them. If he isn't going to fire Liddy for sticking his middle finger at us now, then when? How will he command respect from any of the other institutions or countries if AIG rolls us like this. That is how you become a Carter. Sometimes you have to make a stand.
Is he aware? I was a hardcore supporter, gave money, walked door to door, etc. I am livid. I understand cat and mouse with the banks it is complicated, expensive, with no easy or quick answers. And precipitous populist actions with large multinational institutions is a very dangerous game to play. I bite my tongue and am willing to wait on O.
But not AIG. They drove us over the cliff. It wasn't Lehman brothers that made us swallow TARP- it was AIG. They have claimed a fifth of the TARP funds. I would love to see all WS executives go down, but right now the country needs a villain and a show trial to vent our rage.
Take out Liddy and the financial services group. These people are reprehensible. Obama can lay the ground work for whatever master plan you think he has but he needs to throw us raging masses a bone, and he needs to show that he is no pushover. And AIG is ready to be served.
March 16, 2009 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
We'll see. I get the anger, I share it as well. But, then again, there were plenty of times during the campaign when we feared the worst about what Obama might do on certain issues, that he might lose to the McCain/Palin message.....and he always seemed to show that he knew what he was doing, so for now I'm confident that he's in control. I certainly hope that, in the following months, Obama does take more aggressive action against the AIGs of the country to prevent the bonuses issue from exploding again.
Here's hoping he doesn't shrivel like Carter.
March 16, 2009 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
But, then again, there were plenty of times during the campaign when we feared the worst about what Obama might do on certain issues, that he might lose to the McCain/Palin message.....and he always seemed to show that he knew what he was doing, so for now I'm confident that he's in control
Go back almost exactly a year ago. What was happening? An almost 24/7 coverage of Jeremiah Wright. I was sick. But he and his campaign handled that nicely.
Nice (and well-deserved) takedown of Nagourney.
March 16, 2009 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess once he won super tuesday I really wasn't that worried. Credit markets stalled in August 2007, and Oil was 140 a barrel in the sumer 08. Housing markets started free falling. The writing was on the wall that this was the democrats election to lose- and Obama's steady path seemed clear. Despite some bumps I was always confident.
This time I worry more. Populist anger is very fickle. I know its early and I think that the country will keep giving him the benefit of the doubt. But despite the recent Dead cat bounce the Economy is getting worse, in a year Obama will own this. He will need to point to some villains and I think that now is the time to start showing that he is not being pushed around.
March 16, 2009 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are mountains of conflict here. Right from the start the bailout was undertaken in a way that sought to help the ailing (insolvent) institutions even though there are (were) clear laws stipulating the process.
At issue was an attempt to do as little harm as possible. I happen to think that is a load of bull because trillions have been lost by everyone anyway. The mechanism that was in place was intended to allow for an orderly cleanup of the mess and also to axe the top persons who in all cases had responsibility for making the mess. The laws were there because it is well understood that in such cases management undoubtedly bears responsibility.
It is this responsibility issue that is problematic. The American public is correctly not very understanding of how a bank or insurance company can lose billions or trillions of dollars and still have executives in charge who brought that about. This is very much about equality. The public rightfully expects equality and in something as severe as this, that requirement is even greater. Out here in America when you make a big screw up in your job you are out on the street and Americans fully expect that to be the case no matter who is at fault or at what level of employment or income. In this case where the screw up is of such great consequence that is an imperative. The Obama administration should be worried about this. So far something less than half of the job is actually getting done.
I find it puzzling that the administration has failed to grasp how severely this has eroded the public trust in our financial system. That has everything to do with the management of the failed institution(s) and requires they be replaced. This is very basic stuff and people are upset because of the appearance it gives. It has a very bad smell that is wafting over the entire country for everyone to get a whiff. People will see this as some sort of coverup and very naturally feel their money has truly been stolen. And if it continues they'll make the natural connection to government because government is supposed to be in charge. Frankly, I think this has been a giant misstep upon the part of government.
March 16, 2009 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find it puzzling that the administration has failed to grasp how severely this has eroded the public trust in our financial system. That has everything to do with the management of the failed institution(s) and requires they be replaced. This is very basic stuff and people are upset because of the appearance it gives. It has a very bad smell that is wafting over the entire country for everyone to get a whiff.
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So he's giving them more than enough rope with which to hang themselves -- in broad daylight, with the whole world watching.
It wouldn't hurt if he were to act with the populist anger having his back. That anger is huge leverage.
Keep in mind that he is disassembling Reaganomics, which is (yet again) a miserable and discredited failure. This bonuses issue lays that failure on as about as thick as it can.
March 16, 2009 8:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's only natural for the Obama people to be concerned that a popular backlash could have negative effects on the President, his agenda and the Congress. It's also sensible.
If things don't start improving or if the Obama team starts being perceived as too eagerly servicing the nedds of Wall Street, the natural scapegoats in the public eye will be the people in charge. Now I think Obama, et al have a pretty long leash to run out with the public because it is obvious they didn't cause the mess. The difficulty for Obama and company is whether they will be perceived as sufficiently and competently cleaning it all up.
One of the biggest impediments to making sure the public understands that Obama and his team are competent, etc... is if they look like they are taking care of Wall Street at the expense of the common people of the country and I hate to say it is looking more and more that way. the key phrase here is "look like". It may not be something that can be helped (though I doubt it) and it may not be something that they intend.
It hasn't gone so far that the President's agenda is in trouble, but Geithner and Summers were both intimately involved in creating this financial tsunami. Neither of them inspires any confidence at all in me and I don't think in among the public at large, but that's just my opinion. Perceptions aside, I believe they are not the right people to be in charge of cleaning up the financial sector's mess. Their entire orientation is toward taking care of Wall Street. They are not oriented toward taking care of the average American except in the most sidelong manner. Their performance thus far, even in such a short time span, has, to be charitable, not been impressive. When they look bad it threatens to make the President look bad. If the President looks bad it could weaken him politically, etc, etc, etc...
In fairness, Obama has always been a DLC sort of Democrat which means putting corporate priorities first. That is a potential vulnerability for him that didn't pop up with the advent of the public ire against business. His administration's focus on bailing out the big boys does not serve him well politically and could potentially be damaging. It is my own opinion that is does not serve the nation well in any respect but that's not the main point here since we're really discussing politics and perceptions.
The first quote that appears above is:
"The Obama administration is increasingly concerned about a populist backlash against banks and Wall Street, worried that anger at financial institutions could also end up being directed at Congress and the White House and could complicate President Obama's agenda."
I think that is a fair and reasonable worry on the part of the Obama staff. If they didn't have that concern on their minds they'd be foolish. Remember, this is being presented as what Obama's people are worrying about, not the reporter's opinion. Remember, the point of the quote is that they are worried about the possibility, not that they think it is upon them. I commend them for looking out to the horizon on this. That's what they're supposed to be doing is looking out ahead to keep the President's agenda on course. But part of the potential problem here is the President's agenda itself. If his agenda were more populist, if his rhetoric were more populist, if his representatives were more populist then the likelihood of the backlash problem would be diminished significantly.
Populism is not Obama's natural style it's true. Nor is populism his strong suit. For most of us here at TPM it's okay because we can review his statements and consider what his nuanced words are indicating. But for the average American, that isnt the way this game works. For the average American (who is the type the Obama staff worries most about)the President has fleeting contact and most of it on the tv network news. While the President certainly commands the bully pulpit the precious few seconds he gets each day to leave the right impression with the common folks is what he relies on for continued popular support. So, the staff is worrying about the right stuff here in terms of keeping the popularity of the President as high as possible.
March 16, 2009 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
These are all good points. And you may be right if in several months there's still a drip-drip-drip effect of bailing out banks, doling out executive bonuses, other banks go under, bailing them out again, etc.
I also don't think it's unreasonable for Obama's team to be concerned that the public would turn against the bailouts. I think, though, that Obama has acknowledged that it is going to take time for the economy to be stimulated again and will require extensive reform for a broken system on Wall Street. Whether that will occur in 6 months, 9 months, 12 months.....I dunno. You got me.
Still, where I take issue with Nagourney's piece is that I think it implies that Obama has not been populist enough and that all the blame for the economic problems should be laid at Obama's feet today. I still think most Americans are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt given the enormous challenges presented to the country by Bush et al. For how long that goes is anybody's guess.
March 16, 2009 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nagourney's a swine. No doubt about that. You are right todoubt him and to question his motives.
For entirely different reasons though, I would say Obama has not been populist enough. Certainly not for me. He has quite deliberately and willingly been absorbed by the Borg into being a DLCer on most questions it is frustrating to me for two reasons. First, I just don't like that viewpoint much at all and second I don't think that is the appropriate posture for the times. It will take a lot more than claiming bold action to make the sweeping and indeed radical changes our country needs and the the times demand. I think this is one of those situations where the "smart guys" aren't smart enough to understand how radically the landscape and playing field have changed. But, time will tell, and yes he's one helluva an improvement over the tyrant Bush.
March 16, 2009 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find your analysis more of a whitewash than an analysis. Obama's Economic Team consisting of Corporate Tim and Corporate Larry have been shoveling public funds as fast as they can to the same bunch who invented "new and improved" financial instruments to make them and their corporate classmates obscenely wealthy and everyone else...well less so. Now this crackerjack team (rivals of whom? the public?) of likeminded corporate hacks "discover" that the AIG criminals continue to enrich themselves at the public's expense. And when there is a public outcry and outrage we hear the usual excuses from Obama apologists. Sorry it doesn't sell. Before Obama picked his team of corporate hacks we were told to wait for POLICY; now that the POLICY is laid bare to anyone with a mind we are again told Obama is entirely blameless. Shovelling money to the same corporate criminals who made this mess is Obama's policy; if he is not happy with it he can change it. If AIG is too big to fail, then nationalize it. Otherwise spare us the excuses and fingerpointing.
March 16, 2009 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, it's incredibly unfair to suggest that just because I'm confident that Obama will (in the next 12 months) start pursuing more aggressive action to stimulate the economy and regulate banks, that it makes me just an "Obama apologist", your other condescending remark about "anyone with a mind" notwithstanding. I didn't say the Obama team's economic plan WILL work, I said I'm willing to give it more time to see that it does.
The guy hasn't even been in office for 2 months. It's not like the economy is going to be fixed in a couple of days. And I don't think Obama is just going to let the issue slide away -- he has made numerous statements against the bonuses (today, in fact), so I'm hopeful he will take the action against AIG. More importanly, I'm mostly interested in preventing other huge bank failures and home foreclosures, in addition to getting the jobs that were lost back.
All that said, Geithner and Summers have been less than impressive so far, to be kind.
March 16, 2009 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
SuperBowl IXX:
My remark about "anyone with a mind" was NOT a sarcastic take-down of you or anyone else. I am simply saying that after being told by many (not necessarily you) that the personnel Obama chose for his vaunted Team of Rivals (likeminded corporate centrists for the most part) were not of critical import but the POLICY Obama adopts is the measure on which to judge him, that it is clear to everyone (with a mind or not) just what that policy is. Right now it is shoveling bailout funds to banks and financial institutions without taking control of their policy.
Now what YOU do say is "I'm willing to give it more time to see that it does." and "The guy hasn't even been in office for 2 months." and "It's not like the economy is going to be fixed in a couple of days." But we can make judgements about his policy (is that allowed?) and it is not so great from my standpoint (or it seems from yours). I think Obama, yes "that one" deserves some of the blame and responsibility for HIS policy. After all he is going around the country saying we all have to be more responsible for what we do. Let's stop making excuses for him and his POLICY and for his corporate hacks, Tim and Larry.
March 16, 2009 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed VL, that we need to stop the dancing around, and trotting out a new paint job to explain what Obama's doing. His hiring of Geithner & Summers (amongst others) was VERY loudly criticized here. At the time, the response was, "OBAMA is going to set the policy. They'll take orders from him. So calm down and STFU."
Well, here we are. EITHER these guys are following Obama's policies - not just in the AIG bonus thing, but across the board - OR he hired people who sucked. Pick your poison.
It's entirely possible for people to keep their faith in Obama, to think he has a better long-term plan, to think he has potential and will grow into this. What is NOT acceptable is to trot out a new whitewashing argument every other week. So.
1. Did he hire corporate crap as his advisors? Or
2. Are these his own crappy policies?
Enough with the two-step.
March 16, 2009 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
And what do you propose they should be doing?
March 16, 2009 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed the only answer is that Geithner and Summers suck: BIG TIME!
March 17, 2009 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
co-signed VL! The Cossacks work for the Czar, and all that...
March 16, 2009 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seconded, VL!
March 16, 2009 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Repubs always go back to the class warfare crap.
I just wish we would all admit it is class warfare, it always has been class warfare and it always will be class warfare.
Now go back to that 30's:
WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON? WHICH CLASS DO YOU REPRESENT?
March 16, 2009 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
The day that the Democratic leadership says this is the last day that Republicans use the "class warfare line". But for now the Democratic powers will not...things will presumably have to get much worse unfortunately before they go there.
March 16, 2009 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Was it Warren Buffet or Bill Gates who, a few years back, said, "Yes, it is class warfare and we are winning."
March 17, 2009 1:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right on DD!
The problem Democrats have had for years and obviously still have is that they want to play both sides for the middle.
This preposterous "postpartisan" bullshit that the Obama camp successfully peddled in the election is nothing but bullshit. It's a dodge that allows them to avoid declaring which side they are on. On one hand they use rhetoric of the "I hear you and I feel your pain" variety. On the other hand they operate in nearly identical fashion as the Republicans regarding the financial sector giveaway bonanza being supervised by the oh-so-smart duo of Larry and Tim.
They don't want the rich guys to be mad at them and they don't want us peasants to rise up either but it is quite clear that their first priority is taking care of the predator class and not the common people. The truth is they arent' as afraid of the people as they are of the rich who control the positions they hope to hold after they leave government service. Sad yes. But true nonetheless.
March 17, 2009 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Since I have other things I need to do today, I'm not planning on responding any more comments on this particular blog. I could spend all day writing back to everybody, and I'm sure other readers could spend all day responding back in kind.
However, I have to say I think the debate has been good, if a little heated. It seems a lot of people (myself included) are pretty angry and sad about the prospect of executive bonuses for those in charge of the current economic mess -- in much the same way I'm angry and sad that those who worked in the Bush Administration could get away with their crimes at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib. And, I have to admit it is hard for me to reconcile my hope for tougher regulation of banks with confidence in Tim Geithner and Larry Summers when both men have had their hands in the very companies they're bailing out.
As a last thought, I'm still operating under my belief, hope, whatever you want to call it -- that President Obama is on the people's side, and not that of Wall Street. And let's face it, he's pushing a very big agenda right now in only the first couple of months, a bigger agenda that a lot of presidents don't even get to in a single year. There's nobody I'd rather have in charge right now. I don't think Obama's statements against executive pay are just a rope-a-dope, I think he IS serious about it, although I'm always willing to modify that opinion if it continues to be a problem for several months down the road.
As for Geithner and Summers....well, I can still give them the benefit of the doubt too, but I've always preferred Paul Krugman as an economic adviser, myself.
March 16, 2009 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
obamas picks have been losers and shown to be shills for their wall street buddies.
thats what the average person will se e and believe no matter what argument anyone makes.
and obama will take the hit for this as he should.
these guys are weak and not up to the task.
prediction: 10 point fall in obamas favorable ratings
March 16, 2009 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now that he's in office he's fully accountable for AIG's recent bonuses. Kudos to Obama for trying to claw them back.
But on the other things SuperBowl talks about like the "credit default abuses at the crux of the failing economy" - statements like this prove the point that Obama is trying to cure the symptoms and not the causes. Not enough effort is being spent to fix the banking crisis, the housing crisis and the unemployment crisis. Instead we're interrogating banking CEOs about their credit card rates, about selling naked CDS, green energy, affordable healthcare, forestry service projects, etc.
Obama needs to focus on the core issues: banking, housing and jobs.
March 16, 2009 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem was all of our entepenuers went into finance instead of something actually productive.
We have too many bankers, too many houses, and not enough jobs.
We need to get off oil, outta the mideast, create some new industries, and stop wasting 16% of GDP for the worst health care in the industrialized world.
Energy, Education, and health care reform, and new jobs will come. And start hanging some bankers for show. Don't worry we got plenty of em. Maybe the rest will get the message and get out there and start making actual things.
March 17, 2009 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Easy to say for someone who likely has a house, a job and money in a bank.
March 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
They won't come as long as Congress puts into stimulus bills specific measures to carve out bonuses agreed prior to February 11, 2009
March 17, 2009 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
you going Galt on us Bill?
March 17, 2009 11:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rippin' that bodice
March 17, 2009 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
All of our leaders in Washington are on autopilot and are failing to look at true resolutions to crisis. I have e-mailed my representatives over and over again and they just do not listen. We can all blame the previous and new administration all day long and they are at fault for not thinking outside of the box. We have a person at the treasury that willingly failed to pay his taxes but he is needed to fix the issues and he has yet to come up with one idea that would.
First off if you are going to give a bail out and give it to the people that need it then it should be coming directly to us and not to a billion dollar corporation that is going to use it to line their own pockets. Here is what I proposed:
1. From the bailout money give every single homeowner 50,000 to 100,000 dollars to pay down debt. Every married couples owning a home 200,000.
This would be used to pay down debt, pay off their homes and stabilize the financial system. They now have liquidity and the so called bad notes and treasures out there would begin to be evaporated.
Non-home owners that are U.S. citizens would receive a lesser amount based on their pay scale.
2. The above would be considered a loan to the American people that need it and tax increases would be implemented to recoup the cost of this bail out. The tax increases would begin in 2011 when the Bush tax cuts are repealed. This would give the economy time to recover before any tax increases go into effect. Based over a 5 to 10 year period all that funds provided for this bail out would be recovered by the federal government.
3. Limit credit cards to the people that take the money. This would ensure they never over extend themselves again.
4. Provide financial planning classes for all high school seniors, college students, and people that have taken the funds. This would ensure we are educating people about their responsibilities and the roles they play in the market. Too many people are just over extended and living beyond their means.
5. Cap interest rates on credit cards. When a card goes from 14.99 percent to 29.99 percent in one month there is an issue. The banks are praying on the situation and causing more delinquency and instability in the market. There is no excuse to have a 35.99 percent interest rate on anything and is down right loan sharking.
This is the basis of the plan and can be expanded up, of course it is too late and we have to suffer through a business and political world that only looks in their own back yard and how it would benefit them. It is about time they all put America and Americans first instead of lining their pockets.
March 17, 2009 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Somebody has to feel the pain. If not the AIGFP-London douche's that ruined the economy, then who? This is a very sad chapter in this administration's history... I still love 'em, but there is no excuse for this. George W. Bush abrogated the Geneva Convention; Obama could have told Liddy to suck it, but he didn't.
March 17, 2009 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink