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What Can We Do For Obama's Tutu?


Since I heard about Obama's grandmother (Tutu, for Hawaiians) it's been weighing on my mind that she may not live long enough to see him elected President. I'm wondering what, if anything we might be able to do to let her know what her grandson means to us...

There are a lot of creative people here in our community...Any ideas? Is there some way to get people all over the country to make big get well cards for her that could be shown on a news segment Thurs or Fri when he is with her? Letters read that tell her how grateful we are that she helped raise such a special man? Something coordinated that she might be able to watch on tv?

Is it a crazy idea?

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I know where this feeling is coming from... and it's a nice thought...but on the other hand it seems like we have been making it pretty clear already how much he means to us... and it doesn't make much sense to do something that would take energy away from campaigning efforts. Certainly the best gift we can give either of them is to properly take care of things while he's "away."

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yah... I was really tired last night when I posted this. I don't really think doing something for Tutu is a bad idea. I was in a weirdly serious mood I guess. Thanks Paige, your thank you tutu site is really nice!

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It's not crazy at all -- I just wish I could think of something. Maybe we can all just put in a few more extra hours volunteering, canvassing, phone calling -- to try to make up the slack (as if we could!) and give him more time with her if he and she need it. I already felt so very badly for him having so little family to share his (hopefully) big day in January and now this.... I don't know what we could do, but share in your wish to do something that would matter. Maybe the campaign will think of something and let us know.

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What a sweet idea, stillidealistic.

This is a website where you can call into a phone number and leave a recorded message, and then anyone can play back the messages online:
http://earfl.com/groups/356

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In case anyone (like me!) didn't get this, Paige set up a webpage at earfl.com/groups/356. If you call 415-223-3803 Code# 356#, you can leave a voice message that gets put on a website. She and I have already done it...at some time we can figure out how to get the website info to Sen Obama and he can play the messages for his grandmother...

Pass it around!

So 2 ways to get the message to her!

More ideas still welcome!

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I put it all here, too:
http://www.thankyoututu.com/

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Thanks, Paige...loved your sentiments and you have a nice voice!

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As always, you amaze me with your thougtfulness and goodwill.

How about a page on Obama's site dedicate to his grandmother where everyone can leave their message for her. We could contact his site and ask how to get word to her about it (or her caretakers can print out and if needed someone can read them to her).

That's my idea. I'll keep checking back and see what everyone decides.

Thanks for this. Strongly rec'd.

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Great idea, Sam! I'm sure we can come up w/ some great ones! I'm going to run over to his site and see if there is someway to connect up...

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ok...I left a message on the website...will let you all know if I hear anything...More ideas?

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I don't know if you want to wait for answer, I think it's better and quicker to just go ahead and create the page via your blog there and get busy!

We can post notice on other sites and send out info to media if you want.

What do ya think?

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Sounds good to me...don't know how to do it, but I'll study up and get on it! Thanks Sam!

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Okay, I got it started...now what? You guys add to it, then how do we make sure she sees it?

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stillidealistic/gGg3Vy

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Senator Obama's suspending his campaign to visit his ailing grandmother in Hawaii is a sure sign that the Republicans are going to open the Reverend Wright can of worms in the next few days.

What Obama does with all this is to hit the news cycle first with a huge human interest story that will remind the voters that Obama was raised by a nice old white lady from Kansas, ergo he is not really that "different". In the next few days TV viewers will be treated to endless "profiles" of Madelyn Dunham.

At the risk of sounding too cynical; if Mrs. Dunham chose this weekend to pass on, thus offering the candidate and his wife the opportunity of weeping copiously at her graveside, this might offset some of the damage that ten days of Jeremiah Wright's God damning America in an endless loop will surely produce.

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Yes, too cynical, David.

Obama will win anyway, no need to throw grams under the bus just to get a Hillary moment.

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David loses just by saying Obama is suspending his campaign, when he's...not.

"His campaign will continue to function normally and in no way is being suspended."

(Emphasis mine)

Source: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/20/obama-to-leave-trail-to-visit-ailing-grandmother/#more-25714

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You lose by not realizing there's more than one source and one way of phrasing things in the world:

Obama to Suspend His Activities to Visit Ill Grandmother Add to Hotlist

by Jonathan Singer, Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 09:10:21 PM EST

NBC News is reporting Barack Obama will suspend his campaign Thursday and Friday to fly to Hawaii to visit his ailing grandmother. Our prayers are with the Obama family right now.

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The first one says "activities". The second is wrong. Obama is not suspending his campaign, but simply canceling a couple of events and suspending his OWN activities for a couple of days. His campaign will continue on as it has, running ads, continuing the ground game operation. Unless there was some magic memo I didn't get from Obama. I guess I shouldn't go into work today? His campaign is not being suspended. A couple of his own specific rallies are.

On TPM's Election Central this morning:

Obama Cancels Campaign Events To Visit Ill Grandmother Barack Obama is canceling his campaign events on Thursday and Friday, in order to visit his ailing grandmother in Hawaii. Madelyn Dunham's health has taken a turn for the worse, and the situation serious enough to merit the candidate canceling two days of campaigning during the final two weeks of the campaign.

Josh doesn't seem to be mentioning any kind of suspension of the campaign. Huh.

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Josh doesn't seem to be mentioning any kind of suspension of the campaign either. Huh.

(I should take advantage of that preview function. Especially this early in the morning.)

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Suspending his campaigning or suspending his campaign, you're latching onto an expression by a non-politician. Obama's suspending something so he can go to grandma's house in the woods. Why don't you take a look at what Seaton actually was inferring in his statement to see if that's valid, rather than getting lost in the basics of sentence construction.

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I did. I think it's wrong. Politicizing his grandmother like that? Uh, thanks but no thanks.

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Sentence construction arguments aside, the suggestion that Obama's decision to cancel events so he can see his grandmother is a calculated political move in response to the other side's musing on rehashing the Wright smear by association is simply contemptible. The snickering cynicism about how her death might be used for political gain is repulsive in and of itself. To the extent it is joined with the insinuation that Obama shares that cynicism, and you clever, clever fellows are much too subtle for me to be sure that that was intended, its simply inhuman.

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And, for that matter, for Seaton to use this post as a forum for that thought compounds the offense. If he wanted to be vile, he should have posted his own damn blog.

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Thank you, NCSteve. Thank you for saying what I (honestly) didn't have the time to type.

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The reality is that the McCain campaign has frantically been opening a new can of worms every week, but the voters are now increasingly confounded and overwhelmed when confronted with the Republican shelf laden with the new and improved worm cans of the week.

By the way, you have made the same mistake with your new smear angle everyday penchant. You should have picked an effective smear, stuck to it, repeated it ad nauseum in the way successful Republican smear peddlers have done in the past. Instead, it has been another day, another smear, and that is all that is now expected of your ilk, nothing more, nothing less. They have cried wolf, black, muslim, terrorist, empty suit, Rezko, different, un-American, celebrity, presumptuous and any other straw for which they could reach. They have spent millions on pushing these. They have spent precious time posting this crap all over the place. They have pushed mutually contradictory smears such as socialist and muslim. Now they will cry Wright, but no one will give a fuck just as no one gives a fuck about Joe the Plumber or Ayers.

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Yes, it's a crazy idea.

First, Obama is a politician and in the middle of a presidential campaign.

Second, his grandmother is 86 and very sick.

No one's going to be playing any recordings for anyone.

Look, you don't know these people. How about finding some people in need - say kids at an orphanage, old folks in a home for seniors - and make them smile for a day if you have this kind of energy. Tell them Obama sent you if it makes it better.

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Those are lovely ideas, Des, but they also take a lot more energy than what stillidealistic suggested. Personally, I don't think that it really matters whether anything reaches Mrs. Dunham. I think this is more about being able to express thoughts and feelings for ourselves. And if Mrs. Dunham is well enough and would appreciate the thoughts of strangers -- then great. But if not, there's value there, anyway.

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No, there's no value there. There's a sick woman in Hawaii who will never hear about this, and it's basically irrelevant. Whatever little energy you put into this could actually be put into helping someone who actually needs it, whether 5 minutes or a day. Again, if writing a note to make someone feel good is important, email a foster home, send them things that might teach them or give them an interesting view or humor them, to let them know you care.

As for grannie, I thnk that people giving her grandson a half billion dollars and putting him at the top of the charts for president is enough to know they heart Barack. She was VP at a bank - she understands ledgers.

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Compromise. We send her a pie.

c/o My address.

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What kind of pie?

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Pie pie, it doesn't matter. Quinn doesn't want the pie. He's very cleverly putting together demographic data on pie-lovers to launch a future branded pie portal. Some think it's pie in the sky, but he's going to blow that market sky high.

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Clearly, it's liberal pie fraud going on right before our eyes. Alert the media!

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Illegal inter-state transfer of pie. 5-10 years, minimum.

You're all now accomplices, so I'd keep it down if I were you.

And send more pie.

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What can we do? Contribute to and vote for her grandson. I hope she sees him take the oath of office.

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Contribute to Obama's campaign and in the optional message field, leave a get well message or something.

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stillidealistic, It is very noble of you to think in such terms. To think about her, and her importance not just to Barack, but to all of us. Without her, we wouldn't have Barack. In recent weeks, I feel as if I have grown, in a way, to know Barack, and the Democratic ticket (as I'm sure you know why). I feel as if I know how real, and how genuine they are. How they honestly want to help us and help this country.

And again, we would never be at this point if it were no for Barack's Tutu raising him so well. She deserves all the praise in the world. Every ounce of it. Whether she hears these messages or not, your desire to let her know is, as I said, noble.

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I think Barack's mum was involved for most of his childhood, giving him hippie ideals and alternate views of the world including a few years to run around barefoot in the 3rd world. I don't know, man, this all feels like celebrity stalking to me. I don't need to be up in this guy's face.

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Des, does that mean I have to go into the penalty box again? :-) It's too early for white lightening...do they serve bloody marys in there in the morning?

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Bloody mary's are perfect, but have to have real celery sticks. Triple shots minimum. Very very spicy, lots of pepper and tabasco.

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Now that, I kind of agree with.

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Let me say this. If his Tutu dies soon, then she'll be "watching over him" for us.

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What a lovely thought.

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...it's been weighing on my mind that she may not live long enough to see him elected President. I'm wondering what, if anything we might be able to do to let her know what her grandson means to us...her how grateful we are that she helped raise such a special man? Something coordinated that she might be able to watch on tv?...

Is it a crazy idea?

I think it's a good idea if you think interest in politicians' private lives is good for this country. But be forewarned, if his granny being sick is something that a group should be involved in and take their own initiative on, then other groups will feel it is appropriate that the rest of his family and private life is fair game, too.

Why is his granny's current situation of such interest to you that it is weighing on your mind? Did you also organize condolence movements when Bill Clinton's mother and Hillay Clinton's father died while Bill Clinton was in office? Or when Jimmy Carter lost family members? Something you do regularly, like those that do volunteer work in sending grief condolences to people they don't know? Ask yourself, do you think this is this a regular thing people should do or is it just because you feel Obama is your personal friend or acquaintance and the others weren't? If it's the latter, why is that, and is it a good thing for this country? Will it mean you will give him the benefit of the doubt that you give actual real family and not treat him like he is someone you have hired to do a job? You do realize that many felt this way about Ronald Reagan and JFK?

Remember Obama saying spouses should be "hands off"? If you were Obama, would you like the idea of a huge press contingent camping out at your granny's deathbed because people have shown a great deal of interest when she got ill?

There is nothing wrong with sending condolences to someone who is a public figure. But I feel that organizing a mass movement to do something like that is stepping a bit over a line. There are ways of etiquette for this that are followed for good reason. For example, they have state funerals and public funerals. And that doesn't include "Something coordinated that she might be able to watch on tv." The family is the one who choses the way in which the public should be allowed in butting into their private life, not the public. Obama's granny has not chosen a public life so far as I know.

I myself wish we were more like other countries where people do not feel like they need to follow politicians' private lives and get involved in those lives. At times it seems like many Americans expect a first family to fill the role of a royal family. For me, it's only a short leap from people thinking they should send cards to Obama's granny, to thinking they should know every detail of what a president is doing with an intern and what effect it has on his wife and daughter, or knowing everthing about Sarah Palin's family and going to her rallies because she is really a "MILF." That people are so interested is why we get more attention to things from the White House like videos of the first family pets' activities rather than where they are thinking of intervening internationally.

He's asking for the job of public servant, not the job of friend, king, or celebrity with fans. I'm resigned to the fact that people in this country want to idolize their favorite president, but I still don't have to believe it's a good thing, especially in a democracy where the founders specifically tried to limit the power of the single executive. After all, they themselves failed, as George Washington was idolized.

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Short version of the above: It strikes me as something slightly icky for people to be doing as an organized thing. It reminds me of what a celebrity fan club would do. It bothers me that people in a democracy think of someone running for president in this way: that his de facto mother should be honored for producing one's favorite politician, especially when she has not shown any interest in being a public figure.

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I agree it's "icky", but I would use instead the British, "wet" to describe it.

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As a matter of fact this gushing teenybopper tone of so many Obamites is what really turned me off about Obama in the first place.

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I have always been similarly turned off by that kind of thing, and worried about what it means for the near future as reality sets in.

But, as I posted on one of your early primary threads here on the matter, when you were implying that the manic crowds of young fans and fainting reports had scary totalitarian implications ala Simon LeBon's The Crowd, that you were wrong on this. I think you overreact.

American "fans" are for the most part, quite fickle and cynical themselves, that's our overwhelming and enduring culture (re-read your de Tocqueville). That earlier incarnation didn't last, it changed and morphed. What you are seeing now in things like big crowds in St. Louis is not the same kind of fandom, but hope that they are seeing the next president who will, yes, they are hoping, be different than the last 8 dismal years. It's no longer so much that he's a cool guy. (BTW, it looks like Palin has taken the "it girl" place of a movement of irrational fandom for charisma alone that Obama once held.)

And if he gets in, I think there will only be a revival of the fan club if the conservative right starts attacking him too much personally; otherwise, he'll be just another Democratic president, possibly remaining well-liked, but with few "fans." And there would be nothing wrong with that as expression of confidence in him over attacking conservatives. The more people get to know him, though, and see he can't work miracles, the less fandom there will be.

I'd worry more about young fans of radical imams during possible future high unemployment in Europe if I were you.

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oops, correction:
meant Gustave Le Bon, not Simon.

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I'm worrying about aging fans of Duran Duran myself. ;-)

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Obama isn't the "problem" in that regard.

I've been wondering on what you base your constant judgmental condescension of Obama supporters. I assume it's essential to your preferring to hate Obama as excuse to bash him because something else didn't work out for you.

I was for Hillary because she is competent and qualified. She lost. Obama is exceptional, and competent and qualified at very least because of his intelligent choices of those who will work with him.

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David, is there anyone in public life whom you admire?

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David, is there anyone in public life whom you admire?
I think Al Gore is the mainstream politician with the most experience and vision.
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What turned you off Obama is not Obama but the teeny bopper tone of some of his followers?

Have you stopped for a second to examine your logic? Speaking of teeny boppers, your logic is the kind of thinking I would expect from a third grader, forget about teeny boppers. Besides, when was the last time you saw a teeny bopper? Your age is showing.

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My motivation came from feeling badly that she might not live to see her grandson become president, and that she might find some comfort from our thoughts directed at her.

I do not idolize Obama. I am not a fan. I find him inspirational and I'm very proud of what he has accomplished. I think he will be a role model for many people, especially for minority children who will see that the American dream is not just hypothetical.

I came to you guys with a question, and early returns pointed towards it being a good idea...now? Not so much!

Yet another example of the diversity of opinion around here!

Thanks for your input! I do appreciate it!

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Here's what I notice, stillidealistic:

If your post gets a good number of positive comments, some people have to move in and stir up muddy waters. Don't let it get to you. Take it as a compliment.

You did well to post the question.

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Thanks, Thera...I'm not offended or upset in any way...I truly was posting a question and seeking honest input and I got it! :-) No thin skin here!

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At the risk of repeating myself, I believe this visit to granny's house with a basket of goodies is a ploy to foil the big, bad , wolf and take control of the media cycle by sending the message that Obama, contrary to Reverend Wright, just loves white folks. While I believe it is only a ploy, I think it is perfectly legitimate (she is his granny) and very smart one. Whether it'll work or not is another story.

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I am aware of your blog post on the matter. I think it's highly highly cynical, past any point I would go. Of course, it's a possibility, everything is possible. But it's doubtful, and he deserves the benefit of the doubt. It's not like she's not at an age when it would be likely, nor is it like she's been bouncing about spryly in public and now has suddenly become laid low.

Similar accusations were made against the Clinton's by the right, you know, and they never came close to reality. In a way, you're prying into private lives as much as they are. You just want to know how honest he is about his private life.

Keep in mind that if she dies, you're post is going to look real bad.

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Yup, David this stuff - and your post on it - were pretty scummy. I donno if you can see that right now, because Obama seems to have triggered something in you. I'm not much on the teeny-bopper stuff either, or the gushing... but the stuff you're saying is too gleeful at the thought of something nasty. Anything nasty, really, when it comes to this guy. All you need say is that you don't trust him, and that some of his younger supporters are a bit whooped up, and leave out the stuff you have no evidence for.

Leave it out.

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Keep in mind that if she dies, you're post is going to look real bad.
May she live a hundred years! (that would be McCain's prayer. If she did die right now, I might look bad, but Obama sure would look good, crying at the funeral of an old white lady with all the Jeremiah Wright dreck coming down the pipe... the sort of thing that only happens to those touched by the angels.

Obama is lucky, with the kind of unbelievable luck the Arabs call.... "baracka".

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"Don't mess with my tout-tout", cajun song that everyone thought said "tu-tu". "Tout-tout" is an endearment, supposedly.

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Little know Seaton trivia:
My great aunt Margaritte Brungard was called "Tutu" in the family. However improbable it may seem, she had no connection whatsoever to Hawaii and was never known to mentor Hawaiians.

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When I was in Cancun, the kids used to call me "Tu! Tu!" I assumed it meant something like "that gringo's da bomb!".

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♪ Du, du, du wirst sie zu befreien gehen ♪

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Geez, people. Back the fuck off.

If there are individuals who want to send well wishes to an ailing 86 year old, what the hell is it to you?

Think about how many times in your life that you've extended some manner of sympathy for someone that you don't know very well, if at all.

The point here is that we've all lost someone dear to us and we all know what that grieving process is like. People provided us comfort, we pass it along when someone else is in need.

Get over yourselves. If you don't want to express well wishes, don't. But don't cheapen it for those who do.

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You're just bitter because I've (successfully) shifted the debate toward the issue of what kind of pie should we send.

Via me.

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Tutu or no Tutu, Obama is about as likely a role model "for minority children who will see that the American dream is not just hypothetical" as all the white presidents have been for the millions of poor, white children in this country. These are the "poor white trash" or "trailer trash" -- I know them; I grew up among them and later taught them -- and their likelihood of becoming president is just as remote as that of the poor children of color, despite all the role models we put up on the stage. I've never heard a good explanation of the Obama biographical narrative, anyway. Why was Tutu raising him? His mom was in Indonesia with a husband. Did she not support her son? This is the same mom who lived on food stamps -- a critical part of the Obama campaign rhetorical appeal to the poor masses. Good grief! His mom was in college at the time, and living on food stamps was not a way of life, but a brief stopgap measure. Didn't Obama go to a private school in Hawaii? Weren't Tutu and his grandpa rather well off? Wasn't Obama about 35 years old when his mom died -- not a little kid turned over for rearing by his grandparents? I agree with you who are put off by Obama's fan-dom and you who question the motivation behind the sick-granny trip to Hawaii.

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The grandmother already announced she was sickly back in March.

Regarding being raised by Tutu, if you follow the story closely, Obama moved back to Hawaii and Mom moved back within a year. After Mom got her degree she went abroad again, but by then Barack was prep school age or all ready for college. As for foodstamps, Grandma was VP of a bank and Grandpa owner of a furniture store, so there certainly was enough money without needing to go for foodstamps, but as a full-time student with a kid, Mom probably qualified so took them. Likely her ex- was required to pay (and as an Indonesian oil manager may have had the money to do this), but good luck with child support payments 8000 miles away. Mom also taught at the US Embassy in Jakarta, so it's not like she had no connections or couldn't support herself - she was just on to the 3rd World NGO/World Bank style career that had a certain trendiness at the time.

However, the way the story's told tends to obscure the simple reading of it.

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Hey People! It's not political! Here's a woman in her old age who is gravely ill and her son who is working his backside off for a good cause. If you can't find anything to sympathize with in either of them, put your positive energy towards someone (or something) in whom you can.

As my mother used to say, if you can't say anything nice don't say anything.

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Well, if McCain's mother got sick, we could expect that the word would be circulated that it was caused by a Democrat! And McCain would send Cindy to do the duties.

Remember when Barack and his family took a vacation after the primaries (to much criticism, I might add)? Now he is going to see his grandmother, who is very ill. Take home message: Barack Obama has actual family values rather than faux family values. Why is it hard to identify?

Because we haven't seen actual family values for so long.

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Great idea, stillidealistic!

I hope she lives many, many more years!

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