Not rec'd. Look, I want universal health care too. But please look up the word 'fallacy' and then decide which ones your post relies upon.

There is something in what Kali says. It is hard to know what Health Care for profit costs this country in lives, lost productivity, and direct consumer dollars. It doesn't make much sense from a public policy standpoint; only from a political one.

Health care is a serious issue that I care about, so I'm disappointed by what seems to be treating the subject cheaply and disrespectfully. Let's deal in truths.

In the UK, the country Michael Moore claimed gave exceptional health care access to it's people, including home health care visits, a little girl, 11 years old, had her legs amputated, because she had contracted meningitis, and it was not diagnosed, by an uncaring doctor. He dismissed her and her parents, claiming it was just an infection. He tossed them a prescription for antibiotics. Her parents told him that they doubted she'd be able to take them, because she was unable to keep anything down. A few days later she was seriously worse, with a high temperature. The family called the doctor to ask for a home visit, as she was too sick to be moved. He refused, and told them to bring her temperature down with cold baths and an otc medication. When she was hospitalized later that day, it was ultimately found that she had meningitis and that it had broken through, and her legs needed to be amputated. Here's an article on what happened http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1134408/My-little-girl-lost-legs-meningitis-GP-refused-make-home-visit.html&cid=1300146537&usg=AFQjCNEM0hTV_914oxW_3zDfBLQVLOtv3w

I read the foreign press, and stories like that are all too common. Doctors and hospitals attempting to deny care to disabled children, the critically ill abandoned by state paid carers to starve and die alone. The NHS shutting down health centers in communities and instead opening up private clinics. The poor suffer the most there, because the health services have become a bureaucratic nightmare, staffed by appointees who are friends of the well connected. It's even worse in France.

I don't know what the answer is, but emulating Europe won't work, especially when the state allows excessive immigration to bloat the system until it's unaffordable. Nor is the fad Oregon and Washington state have adopted, forcing people to kill themselves when the state's universal health care plan decides it's too expensive to treat their illness. I read about a woman with cancer, whose doctor was forced by the state to deny her care, and only offer her pills that she could go home and take to die.

In the UK, Baroness Warnock, an elderly aristocrat is now demanding that poor elderly and disabled people have a duty to die, so as not to be a burden on society.. when I read her op-ed online, my first thought was that she should lead by example, as she's obviously passed her sell by date. It's fascism, nothing humanitarian about the excesses pushed to by the far left. Hitler was a green as well, and look where that got the German people.