Winners and Losers: Version AFL-CIO
I'm going to take a stab at using the early hour to get my thoughts up before the chattering class can come up with theirs. I just watched the video of the debate this evening, and I can see 3 clear outcomes for various candidates, winners, no change, and losers, in no particular order.
Winners:
Kucinich
Say what you will about the man, he was on a roll. The line about having already dug through the earth to China was pure gold, and he managed to outshine the presumptive favorite of the AFL-CIO crowd: John Edwards. Anything Edwards could do, Kucinich could do better, and funnier, I might add.
Obama
In the interest of full disclosure, this is my candidate, but he came into his own tonight. He went toe-to-toe with Hillary, Dodd and Biden, and came out looking to be the true candidate of change. There was a slight flub with the "President of Canada" remark, where I groaned, but other than that, he was money. He seems to have finally been able to reduce some of his complex and thoughtful meandering into some very powerful sound bites. Additionally, his exchange over Pakistan may very well have turned that little episode into a win for him.
Neutral:
Edwards
I like John a lot, if Obama doesn't get the nod, I hope it goes to him, additionally, I thought he had a pretty good night and I'm tempted to put him in the winners category. There is a small problem with that. Edwards should be the presumptive frontrunner with the AFL-CIO. Despite the fact that this was Obama's turf, this is his crowd. He did very well against Hillary, and his answers were awesome, but he let himself get out shone with his natural audience by Kucinich. That's problematic for him at this juncture, and makes me lean towards tonight being a draw for him.
Clinton
She didn't have to go on the offensive tonight because Dodd and Biden did it for her (running for Vice President much?). Her answers, as always, were polished, knowledgeable to the point, and most importantly cautious. Not a great idea in what seems to be shaping up as a change election. Additionally, she got served by Obama on the question of Pakistan...Twice. Once when he chastised those who authorized the war, and again when he accused her and Dodd of trying to keep important foreign policy decisions away from the American public.
Richardson
He didn't make a lot of gaffes, but he didn't shine either. In fact, when trying to come up with Richardson's big moment in the debate, I'm sort of drawing a blank, which leads me to label him as a draw. Keep in mind, at this stage, a draw for Richardson isn't fatal, but he needs to make some more moves to crack into the top tier. Were it closer to January, and were he not in double digits in Iowa, this would be a loss for him.
Loser(s):
Dodden
They became lap dogs for status quo Washington tonight. They allowed Hillary to avoid making attacks, because they did it for her. Additionally, they were indistinguishable, at a time when then need to start making a brand for themselves, they both wilted into obscurity, and were only noticeable when they were attacking Obama and Edwards. Good if you're running for Clinton's Veep, bad if you're running for President. It's a pity too, because Biden had a shot at one point to score points on Obama (the President/Prime Minister of Canada flub mentioned above) but was so subtle with it most Americans wouldn't have caught it. Bad news when you're in single digits in both national and state polls.





Anything Edwards could do, Kucinich could do better, and funnier
No doubt Kucinich had a great night -- he certainly played to the crowd, and they certainly liked what he was saying. Personally, I like all his ideas, but I don't see how he can get them implemented, that is, he never talks in specific details.
But you're right -- this was Obama's night.
He came off from the discussion about Pakistan as the only one with any common sense about foreign policy.
Hillary, on the other hand, got booed.
And I know it was written up over at DKos, but I can't not mention Biden's completely rude blow-off of the widow from West Virginia. Biden, again and again, demonstrates he has no tact.
"Thank God George Bush is our president." -Rudy Giuliani
August 8, 2007 5:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're right, that moment stood out to me too. I sat here and my jaw dropped wondering how he could be so insensitive. It was mind bogglingly obtuse.
I'm going to check the DailyKos stuff now, I didn't want to read it before I wrote this up. ;)
August 8, 2007 6:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't really have much else to add. I thought your commentary was rather spot-on, especially how Edwards should have been the Big Labor leader, but got out-shone by Kucinich.
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August 8, 2007 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with you. Very concise and perceptive review. Great job.
I want someone to find out how positioning is determined at these forums. Why is Hillary always front and center like Beyonce was in Destiny's Child?
Why were Obama and Edwards not to Hillary's left and right as the frontrunners they are in terms of polling?
Who made these decisions?
August 8, 2007 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The positioning is a great question. It's strange that it's been pretty consistent across the debates, no?
"Thank God George Bush is our president." -Rudy Giuliani
August 8, 2007 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it is strange that the only candidate to have the position is Hillary. Everyone else has been moved.
August 8, 2007 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks!
I agree with you about positioning, although in fairness, most debates so far have given Edwards/Obama a similar prime spot (Kos for example had Hillary with Edwards on one side and Obama on the other.)
August 8, 2007 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink