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		    <title>Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on Proprietary Delivery Devices by Marquis de SeaToShiningSea</title>
		        
			<published>2009-10-24T21:06:34Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>uh oh... i just bought the very latest version of an electronic book... but it has the very specific characteristic of not being locked into proprietary formats.</p>]]>
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		    <title>Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on Why Bankers Make So Much Money by ☠enghis</title>
		        
			<published>2009-10-24T00:08:34Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this lucid explanation of the wrong problem.  Framing the problem defines the solution, does it not?  You seem to think that you have correctly framed the problem by discussing merit and market value.</p>

<p>The problem is that there is no neutral market.  Attacking the naivety of those who defend merit value is a red herring.</p>

<p>Markets are social constructions created by the rules established by laws and regulations.  The current set of rules and regulations establish the way that the markets work at present.  If, as some believe, there might be defects in these rules, then there is nothing special about changing the rules.</p>

<p>Are there defects?  The long term (Plato to 19th century and most of the world today) view of government has been that government exists to provide for the well being of the population at large.  If something in the way we create markets defeats this, we are free to change the markets.</p>

<p>It is reasonable to argue that allowing money changers (bankers) to skim huge sums of money off banking transactions in relatively non-transparent transactions (computerized banking, swaps, etc.) is not beneficial to the public at large.  In that case, perhaps the markets should be changed.  One way to do that is to limit how much people can skim off the markets (set salary caps).  Perfectly reasonable.  Has nothing to do with market value or merit value.  It is the rules of the game.</p>

<p>Let's not frame the problem wrongly.</p>]]>
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		    <title>Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on Happy Birthday LisB!!!!!!! by Bwakfat</title>
		        
			<published>2009-10-18T23:38:02Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>It is cruel to hide the catnip under the piano keys.</p>]]>
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	<title>Marquis de SeaToShiningSea recommended Enough With The Bloomberg Ads! by destor23</title>
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		        <![CDATA[<p><a href="http://adblockplus.org/en/" rel="nofollow">http://adblockplus.org/en/</a></p>]]>
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		    <title>Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on Bloggers in Pajamas Blogging from the Middle of Nowhere Unite! by ~flowerchild~</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Those blasted digital cameras... Can't be "comfortable."</p>]]>
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		    <title>Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on Happy Birthday LisB!!!!!!! by Bwakfat</title>
		        
			<published>2009-10-18T19:28:12Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Seems like just yesterday you were only 85.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on who&apos;s afraid of the big, bad elephant by jason everett miller]]></title>
		        
			<published>2009-10-18T19:24:42Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>With the vast undereducation of America, the "conservative" demagogues will have an audience for a very long time.  Limbaugh and Beck have clearly demonstrated that.  But, please don't try to honor that with the term "mindset."  Where there is no mind, there is no mindset.</p>]]>
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			<published>2009-10-18T19:20:09Z</published>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks for showing how little you understand what the progressives in America want.  We opposed Clinton in the primaries.  We voted for him only when considering the alternative.  We were so disheartened by his actual policies that we formed 3rd parties.  Clinton is a Republican.  Keep that in mind.  Democrats supported Simon that time around.  When I talk of splitting the Democratic party between Democrats and DINOs, I intend to send the DLC (that includes Clinton and Obama) to the DINO party.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Well, that isn't such a bad idea, but I was thinking of taking another hundred house seats and 10 more senate seats away from them in the next election.  I am looking to the day we can split the Democratic party between real Democrats and DINOs.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I fear the Republicans are coming to their senses, just as we were about to eliminate them.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I think it should be $300K for the next house, even if it is a second house.  Then I could buy the apartment next door and combine it with my apartment.</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on Inviting Our &quot;Bastard Brothers&quot; to a Political Showdown by SleepinJeezus]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>When I was in high school, I learned that most folks I was going to school with thought they were wasting time and they were just biding their time until the last day of 12th grade.  More than a handful never made it that far.</p>

<p>These folks are left behind in a world that needs people who have developed their thinking skills, not their manual labor skills.  But more than that, these folks are easily manipulated by every demagogue who ever gets a 30 minute radio show.</p>

<p>Yes, I have empathy for their needs and their economic and social fear, I grew up with them.  But, I don't think they are willing to do one thing that every member of Alcoholics Anonymous has to do to begin taking control of their lives.  That thing is, accept that they have <i>made decisions</i> that helped put them where they are.</p>

<p>I am not prepared to say every teabagger is a self-created dope, I haven't met them all.  But I am willing to say the large underclass of education-averse Americans is the fertile field the demagogues are hoeing.</p>

<p>It is hard to reason with people who don't know how to reason.</p>]]>
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		    <title>Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on The Truth About Iran and The Bomb by William Hartung</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Of course, there is a rouge country in the Middle East that HAS the bomb.  Nobody seems to want to admit that is the core problem.</p>]]>
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	<title><![CDATA[Marquis de SeaToShiningSea recommended Billy Ayers to Jonah Goldberg et al : You&apos;ve Been Punked! by tmccarthy0]]></title>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>The international nuclear criminals in some unspecified middle east state starting with the initial I, who ALREADY HAVE dozens of nuclear bombs, are distrustful of others?  And why?</p>]]>
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		    <title>Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on Overthrow of TPM by Marquis de SeaToShiningSea</title>
		        
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		    <title><![CDATA[Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on I&apos;m 92, Supercilious, Brilliant, and Angry at You:  No, I Won&apos;t Apologize by Edmund Crankypants]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Quinn, don't they have death panels in kanukistan?  Why haven't they found you?  Nothing personal, mind you.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Hey!</p>]]>
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		    <title><![CDATA[Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on I&apos;m 92, Supercilious, Brilliant, and Angry at You:  No, I Won&apos;t Apologize by Edmund Crankypants]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Aren't you dead?</p>]]>
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		    <title>Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on I Asked....and I Got This..... by ~flowerchild~</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>err, works....</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I will concede that the EITC worked for the benefit of the poor.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I disagree with the idea that we are mandating company profits... that sounds too benign... Without including a strong public option, the effect of a mandate is to PRIVATIZE TAXATION.</p>]]>
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		    <title>Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on I Asked....and I Got This..... by ~flowerchild~</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Tax credit is, has been, and always will be a REPUBLICAN idea (they always turn out to help the rich the most).  Obama is Eisenhower the second, which I have said 1000 times by now.  Of COURSE I would prefer Eisenhower the second to any of the neanderthals on the other side, and the other Democratic candidates ranged from Wilson the second to worse or were McGovern all-all-over-again.  So, he was our best bet.  But that doesn't mean we have a Democratic president.</p>]]>
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		    <title>Marquis de SeaToShiningSea Commented on TPMDC Sunday Roundup by Eric Kleefeld</title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Axelrod is a tool.  Public Option is the line that tool had better not cross.</p>]]>
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