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Nader's nadir.


I thought I'd lost every ounce of respect for Ralph Nader. The 2000 nonsense cost him most of his capital with me, and in 2004, he lost even more for running so plainly not for the people he claims to represent, but for his own glorification.

But now, it's all gone.


Jimi Izrael:
Holy Jesus on The John. There's context, yes, but that was the best literary allusion he cold muster?

Already, it starts.
I understand that Nader has an almost pathological need to discuss issues related to poverty. However, that would require us to somehow ignore the fact that this has really, now, become all about him. For all of Nader's self-aggrandizing runs of the presidency haven't made one fucking dent in the causes he supposedly believes in. The undeniable proof of his lack of effectiveness lies in this interview. If you're reduced to pulling stunts to garner attention from a media that learned long ago to ignore you, racist stunts that shock even Fox News, what is left for you?

And keep in mind that this isn't even the first time he's pulled this shit. Perhaps the saddest part of all this is that Nader himself is an assimilated minority - son of Lebanese immigrants - that has more or less "passed" as White for years. He has some nerve accusing others of "talking White" and being an Uncle Tom. Some real damned nerve.

Ralph Nader can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned. But perhaps I'm just taking his bait. The better place for us to send him might very well be off of our news pages, and out of our national consciousness. That would really piss him off.

(Cross-posted at 1,369 lightbulbs.)


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A commenter in Matthew Yglesias' thread sums up Nader's career well, with my links:

Taking republican money and accepting republican assistance to further republican electoral victories. But hey, he did something or other to GM fifty years ago. And he started the PIRGs! Those are awesome. Awesome guy. High fives all around.

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(And no, I wasn't being serious. I know Nader's done more than that. But fuck all it must be worth if he's willing to piss away his legacy like this.)

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That's pretty much how I feel about him now. I can't believe the stunts he continues to pull for attention. I can't believe how whiny he has become.

Oh well. If he wants attention, maybe he can borrow my nephew's rattle; he's two and has outgrown it.

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You have given a perfect example. Ralph Nader has run for no office except President of the US. If he were serious about working within the system he would have run for the Senate or the House. He thinks it is below him, I guess.

But there is nothing below a person who would call Obama an Uncle Tom.

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But there is nothing below a person who would call Obama an Uncle Tom.

This is an absolutely Rovian distortion, Jan. I'm ashamed of you.

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It seems to me Smith in the video and you have problems with the phrase "Uncle Tom." Has this become like the "n-word" a phrase that can no longer be used by any person?

You spent a lot of time listing your critiques of Nader. Perhaps you're saying that the phrase "Uncle Tom" can be used but only if someone has earned the right somehow?

If this phrase can no longer be used should I now start calling it the "U-T-phrase?"

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It's all about context. Other words or phrases you should probably think carefully about using: master, plantation, slave, rape, I wish your mother had aborted you, nappy-headed, ho, uppity, a woman's place…

Master-slave D flip-flop is still acceptable, however.

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In talking about Nader back during the primaries with a friend, he had an excellent suggestion for him. It went something along the lines of this:
"Get into a Corvair, put your seatbelt on, and drive off a cliff."
I'd say that holds today.

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HAHAHAHA!

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Shep Smith: "Really?"

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I was watching returns with a friend while assuming my usual position in front of our laptop and just turned to the TV and called out F you, Ralph Nader! At first I wasn't sure I heard what I thought I heard but my friend confirmed it.

Having long ago opted to forego the Sunday AM talking head shows because they left me feeling so upset or depressed or both, my infrequent outbursts directed to the TV screen these days had been saved for sporting events in which I have a strong rooting interest.

The other talking heads listening to it clearly were also flabbergasted. One of them said, in a stunned sad sort of way something like "Well, this is it, isn't it? He's finished now." Others were kind of like, I mean, what can you say to that?

I'm probably not the only one wondering if Mr. Nader will be able to summon the humility necessary for him to issue an abject and heartfelt apology. Probably many would be just as pleased if he doesn't, the better to keep the amount of media oxygen sucked up by this ugly incident to a minimum at this time.

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Why play on racial slang?
What do we call Bush because he has been subservient to big corporation? A big corp ass-kisser? But because Obama is black he might become an Uncle Tom?
Nader is done.

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Most people don't know what "Uncle Tom" means, let alone what "Uncle Tom for the giant corporations" means.

I swear I don't remember Scientific writing about when Emil Jones (Obama's "political godfather" in Illinois) actually did call a black Clinton delegate an Uncle Tom for supporting Hillary. Oh well. Selective reporting.

Btw, I highly recommend reading Uncle Tom's Cabin. My favorite characters were the Quakers.

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Talk about selective; you seem to have some weird beef with me, going back to some thread months ago. Maybe in all the time it took to come up with that snark you might have considered the fact that I'm not actually a reporter by trade and I may have missed the article about Emil Jones. I deplore that as well, so I'm not really sure what your point is.

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It's not a beef, Scientific, it's a challenge. I think you can do better. That's all.

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Fair enough.

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"readytoblowagasket" is a troll and hypocrite who likes to pretend to moral superiority as rationalization for his constant hatefulness.

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I know that. I said "Fair enough" in hopes of ending an argument that was going nowhere.

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I also highly recommend reading Uncle Tom's Cabin . ... and Google "Abolitionists opposing slavery and tobacco" to learn a whole lot more about it.

As for Ralph Nader, I don't think he deserved to become the scapegoat in 2000---because Gore won by over 540,000 votes, and would have won Florida in an honest, statewide recount (blocked by Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris & Co.)

Nader, just as you or I, has First Amendment rights, and can run for president just like Harold Stassen did, perpetually, and doesn't deserve hatred for that.

REVERSE "NADER EFFECT"

---North Carolina has just been placed in the Obama column . . . because Bob Barr, ex-GOP congressman, running as the Libertarian nominee,got more votes than the margin of difference votes between McCain and Obama.

That may have happened in other states too . . . although this year such alleged "siphoning" of votes didn't make the difference the way people think it did in 2000.

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Lest we forget, Nader spent the last days of the 2000 election campaigning in Florida, Ohio and other swing states. Back then he said he was trying to get 5% of the votes to get public financing the next election cycle. But, rather than finishing out his campaign in true blue states where he could have picked up more votes (as liberals would have been more likely to vote for him knowing their state would still go Gore), Nader campaigned in swing states to have a maximum impact on the election results. He should never be forgiven for that.

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Nader once wrote "The consumer must be protected at times from his own indiscretion and vanity." I wonder if he realizes the irony. He's not responsible for Gore's loss, but he is on a quest to damage the Democratic party -- and often collaborating with Republicans to do it. That's his right, of course, but he should quit pretending he's the man he used to be.

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First Smith felt the need to add a disclaimer on Joe-the-friggin'-Plumber's endorsement of the "Death to Israel" comment (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_0bdh2GQiI ), and now he calls out Nader with "What was that?"

Is it possible that Shepard Smith has a conscience? A soul?

Damn, I guess change IS possible. Who knew? Next thing you know, Bill O'Reilly will stop shouting down his guests! Rush Limbaugh will advocate middle-of-the-road policy! Michael Savage will come out of the closet!!!

I am, for the first time in a long, long time, very happy to live in these times. I feel positively energized by the change in the air. Hell, I might even get off my ass from in front of this computer and go volunteer for a couple of hours before I go to work!

...Well, that's not gonna happen. Today is for blog fishing. Tomorrow, though. Heh.

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Also, Shep did a good push-back on some pro-McCain spin at around 2:30 in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc

Not to mention his memorable push-back against Hannity's Hurricane Katrina garbage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPswpqB73SA

Andrew Sullivan is right: this guy is the only reason to watch FAUX News.

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re: the 2:30 mark: OH SNAP! That. Was. Awesome! "Well, random lapping hound reporter guy, it was Sarah's retarded interview that messed McCain up, not the economy" "Uh. Um. Yeah, the interview that McCain's people said had fair questions! So there!"

Priceless.

re: Katrina clip: ....man. Shep seems to be something of a hell of a guy. I would recommend these clips to folk. Thank you so much for pointing these out to me.

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First Smith felt the need to add a disclaimer on Joe-the-friggin'-Plumber's endorsement of the "Death to Israel" comment (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_0bdh2GQiI ), and now he calls out Nader with "What was that?"

Is it possible that Shepard Smith has a conscience? A soul?

Damn, I guess change IS possible. Who knew? Next thing you know, Bill O'Reilly will stop shouting down his guests! Rush Limbaugh will advocate middle-of-the-road policy! Michael Savage will come out of the closet!!!

I am, for the first time in a long, long time, very happy to live in these times. I feel positively energized by the change in the air. Hell, I might even get off my ass from in front of this computer and go volunteer for a couple of hours before I go to work!

...Well, that's not gonna happen. Today is for blog fishing. Tomorrow, though. Heh.

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and i apologize for the double-post. (blushing)

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I completely agree with Nader. Millions of black Americans trust Obama to fight injustice. If he betrays that trust in order to satisfy his corporate donors, he is indeed an Uncle Tom. There is nothing racist about that.

Also, you who condemn Nader for running against the two corporate parties, do you really believe in democracy, or just in the joke that is the two party system?

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It's an absolute insult to call a black person an Uncle Tom (caving into white pressure...the acceptance of inferiority).
What's the insult you use especially for white people that kiss up to big corporations?

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Uncle Alan Greenspan?

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If a white President took the path Nader disagrees with, would it be appropriate to refer to her or him as an "Uncle Tom"?

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Huh? How is a non-Black dude calling a Black dude an "Uncle Tom" not about race? Have you ever heard Nader use that term in reference to someone who's White? Please. Whatever merits his argument may have were completely washed out by his ill choice of words.

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Yes it's an insult, and yes it's about his race, but that does not automatically mean it is racist. Calling Rush Limbaugh a fat, old, white bigot is an insult, and it is about his race, but not racist.

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Oh, grow up. Right. There is nothing racist about calling Rush "fat, stupid, idiotic, polarizing, a drug addict, pathetic, and ignorant."

It is racist to refer to Obama as an Uncle Tom (pre-emptively or not). Even if you called a white guy a redneck it wouldn't have the same meaning. Ralph Nader, although until today I thought he was not stupid; is surely aware of the meaning of his words. He should get some therapy.

Is he trying to make a positive difference? I guess those days are over. He is clearly a loser.

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Nader is stuck in the racial dialogue of the 60s and 70s. Like everything about his politics, his comments are outdated and harken back to the days of yore when Nader could get press without blackmailing the dems.

Obama would not be an "Uncle Tom" to the corporations, he would be a partner, a willing participant who reaped the benefits of cooperation through campaign contributions.

When Nader evokes the imagery of a subservient Obama saying "yes boss" while lowering his head and slashing the minimum wage, he is indulging in the worst kind of racism there is, implying that the black man has a binary choice: to be subservient to or in opposition to the system, but always outside its confines of power.

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Well spoken!

In the end, Nader is irrelevant. He's a maverick too! The thing about mavericks is that they fail the diplomacy test which is how things get accomplished in a democracy. Democracy works when conflicting interests find the common ground and make a change. Unless two parties are willing to find that place, or trade success for one of their objective(s) for the loss of another, all one will find is gridlock. The astute politicians can break gridlocks. Nader ain't one of them. Insightful, inspiring to some, irritating to others, he is no politician. he's just a maverick.

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That's "Yassuh Boss". Let's keep the caricature accurate.

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God, that was so well put! Thank you.

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Nader got car companies to shape up, about 40 years ago.

Nice job, Ralph, now please go away.

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That about sums it up. If he was about real change, he wouldn't grandstand every four years, running for President and no other office.

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Nader is "irrelevant"??!!??
Look at TPM's election map. Obama lost Missouri by about 6000 votes. That is exactly the number cast for Nadar minus the number cast for Barr! Don't think Nadar screwed us again, check it out.

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Sorry, and this proves Nader's relevance how?

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Opps: Nader not "Nadar"

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Every time I begin to slide into that comfortable and reassuring mindset - the one where conservatives and Republicans are the primary culprits of monolithic, clonish conformity with severe limitations of imagination and possibility - all I need do is read some of TPM’s comments by the resident "progressives" in order to remind myself that mob-mentality and circle-jerk herd instincts are alive and well across the entire polity, and do not reside only with the fascists.

Thanks Josh, for providing this edifying space, so chock-full of the rigid and stale, the staid, the mundane . . . chock-full of reminders that these people are as limited as Rush's avid zealots.

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miki: Is Ralph Nader letting us all know how Obama can be an Uncle Tom what you have in mind by escaping the "severe limitations of imagination and possibility" of political dialogue in our country?

And the people calling out racist remarks thereby show themselves to be as "limited" as those who too often resort to making them, such as "Rush's avid zealots"?

Please share examples of other sites or bodies of work that you would hold up as examples of what the positive possibilities are. In the meantime, warts and all, I'll take tpmcafe over what appears to be your idea of heavenly political back-and-forth any day.

If I'm misinterpreting you please let me know.

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Nader should try out for Prime Minister of Italy next time...

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Stupid Nader, trying to make a valid point and blowing it by choosing to phrase it as if Trent Lott had said it. I am sure he thought the uncle this/uncle that was a slick verbal gimmick, too insensitive or just too clueless to realize the racial implications. And he couldn't have expected to be called out on that one by Fox, of all networks.

That was just a bizarre clip. Strange to watch. I can't stand Nader, but that clip was just sad. He's really become a cartoon character.

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Sorry, but I've got to go with Nader on this one, however unfortunate his wording. I worked hard for Obama, but only as the lesser of two evils. And the evil with Obama is precisely what Nader is targetting, FOR OBAMA'S OWN GOOD! Obama must quit his support of Wall Street's suicidal efforts to reflate the bubble, if he is to realize the greatness to which the American people have called him, a greatness which will sometimes require the people's firm guidance, which in this case might go something like, "Let the dead bury their dead."

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La la la la la. We can't hear you.

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Don't be a douche, dude. :-) We all know that the two-party system is not the answer, and we'll eventually have to move on from it. Ten years, a hundred, whatever.

Nader's turned into a caricature of himself. Period. Why's he got to be so damned bombastic? Yeah, the situation is ridiculously grim right now, but you know what? Nader doesn't help the cause acting like that. He doesn't make things better acting like a dick.

Why do you think Obama won? Because he WASN'T flappable.

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Nader is the perfect example demonstrating the difference between an activist and an organizer. I think he and Matty Gonzalez, his VP pick de jour, made a perfect team. I worked on Matt's 2003 run for mayor in San Francisco, part of an amazing coalition made up of energized volunteers eerily prescient of the Obama campaign. Although he barely lost, Matt was perfectly positioned to lead this progressive army and build a movement and help govern a city from the bottom up. Instead, he resigned his seat on the Board of Supervisors, and stated he could get more done in his private law practice. The movement evaporated. Matt disappeared, his name cropping up from time to time in conversations about a run for the governor, but really, who cared? He had his moment, and when things didn't go his way, he (in the words of a Mission District activist) peed.
To see him on the ticket with Nader made it an all-narcissist ticket.

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I wish that this was surprising. Ralph Nader has shown a lack of discipline in expressing himself for sometime. It undermines his message and the basic sloppiness of it all makes me wonder whether Nader has decided that feeling righteous is good enough. He will not be holding anyone's feet to the fire, that requires the sort of unimpeachable integrity a person possesses through rigid ethical conduct and clarity of both thought and action.

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Nader's nadir is bottomless. It's not just that he jumped feet first into the Terry Schiavo circus on the side of Sean Hannity, he issued his proclamations in a press release hosted by the creationist theocrats at the Discovery Institute, co-written by Wesley J. Smith (the husband of opinionator Debra Saunders):

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2005/03/strange-bedfellows-commenter-ken-cope.html

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I believe this to be nader's shitbag attempt to show he's "down". That he would take and use that phrase and end the interview with "Not at all" says it all to me. He knows what he's doing - he doesn't need therapy. He needs to be punched in the fucking face.

It's the same question Nader is always tossing at electeds and without it's fuckwad flaming arrow trappings, it's a fair question. I used to be glad nader was around to ask those questions and even shoot the flaming arrows but fuck, too far.

I can't help but wonder if he would have sunk so far had the left not spent 8 years shitting all over him. At the moment, I do not care.

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