Community?
I don't want this to sound too harsh... but sometimes I get a little annoyed with people who talk, endlessly or otherwise, about certain websites (say, TPM) as a "community." Not to say it isn't a community; one definition (#3 here), "a social, religious, occupational, or other group sharing common
characteristics or interests and perceived or perceiving itself as
distinct in some respect from the larger society within which it exists," certainly describe the MyTPM users. Broadly, we could probably be accurately described as politically involved and inclined, and left-leaning as a group, for which we perceive ourselves as being different from some other segments of society (not in an elitist way, necessarily, in case that's what you thought I was getting at); and, obviously, we are different from the rest of society in that we have TPM blogs. However, people often seem to use the term almost like it means a group of people living in one locale, and then seem to infer into online communities all the characteristics that go along with the stereotypical, suburban residential neighborhood, such as neighborliness, friendliness, and helping each other out. That's all great, and I definitely do believe that people should be friendly to each other online, but we are not neighbors. Our children do not play together on the street, we don't hold meetings to discuss the speed bumps that the city wants to put in front of Mrs. Walker's house, and I don't drop bags of zuchinni off on your doorstep when I find I've planted too many. We probably don't even know each other's names or what each others' faces look like! Now, I'm not saying everyone's like that on sites like these- they definitely aren't, and I've "met" (but not really) several people on here that seem like nice people, but there have also been some people who get an almost narcissistic air about this issue, like they're "helping the community" or something. They probably aren't. The likelihood is that they aren't really doing anything except giving themselves a soap box to stand on and then feeling all puffed up about themselves because they feel like they've gone out and made a real difference in the world because they wrote their blog posts. So my message to those aforementioned e-narcissists, if you will, is basically: STOP TAKING YOURSELVES SO SERIOUSLY. YOU ARE PEOPLE WHO WRITE POSTS UNDER FAKE NAMES THAT, FOR THE MOST PART, RELATIVELY FEW PEOPLE READ. GET OVER YOURSELVES! A sense of humor might be useful, too.
Sorry if that sounded bitter! I've just had some annoying things happen lately that made me feel like writing this. And, for the record, I don't view myself as some sort of tamer of the masses or something for doing this; I'm doing it for purely selfish reasons. Not because I feel like "helping the community" or something.
Sorry if that sounded bitter! I've just had some annoying things happen lately that made me feel like writing this. And, for the record, I don't view myself as some sort of tamer of the masses or something for doing this; I'm doing it for purely selfish reasons. Not because I feel like "helping the community" or something.
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I think you're right that some meta analysis is warranted on the word "community," but I would make one point: the posts here are actually ready by quite a few people. Those on the most recommended lists often have thousands and thousands of readers.
In that sense, while self-seriousness is rarely an attractive trait, false-modesty isn't much better. Lot of people get a lot of value (intellectual, relaxation, entertainment and otherwise) out of the work that's done here and folks should be proud of it.
October 18, 2008 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're completely right, and I agree with most of what you said. I didn't mean to demean TPM users at all, and I'm sure that a few have many readers indeed. My point was just to take yourself with a grain of salt (that can't be a phrase... oh well) because too many people that I've "conversed" with seem to feel that they and they alone know everything. However, I don't think I was attempting to promote false modesty... or maybe you were saying I'm being falsely modest? I'm confused. Nevermind.
October 18, 2008 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I strongly agree with you that people need to be more restrained self-certainty.
In fact, I don't think it's just an important aspect of being a good writer and person, but a vital trait for a community like ours.
There are a few things where I would claim to be an expert (web publishing, maybe). For everything else, there's probably someone here who knows more than I do who I can learn from.
If we could propagate that as the ethos of the community the writing would be better, relationships would be based on more than fighting, and we'd probably learn a lot more.
October 18, 2008 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Casper, We knew these days were coming. Walk down many main streets and people don't sit on the front porch, meeting the neighbors.
We live in a new world. Where people confined at home can reach out and can believe that they can contribute.
Yes we are the new community 24/7.
Like the Paul Reveres, sounding the alarm.
Or like some reminding or enlightening many of the atrocities in Sudan. Encouraging many to rise up and do something.
We are a community, YES we have the serious and the jokesters but we are one.
WE THE MEMBERS OF TPM, in order to promote......
October 18, 2008 9:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Haha okay. I back down.
October 18, 2008 9:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would like to point out that I experienced you speaking from your own perspective in a indirect way on 'behalf of the community'... that isn't quite 'a community' for you...
I think I understood most what you were getting at because you seemed to be modeling it which is what often happens to us all... in other words we end up doing, being, demonstrating exactly what we didn't like observing. It's tricky...
Glad to see you've backed down.
October 18, 2008 9:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
This may just be my being tired, but I don't know what any of that means. At all. And my "backing down" was meant humorously... I assumed that Resistance's comment was also meant humorously because of the tone. Maybe it wasn't. I don't know. I give up.
October 18, 2008 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was my attempt to point out that your blog was a demonstration or 'reflection' of what you were protesting...
sorry if it's isn't clear but that's what I get from reading it.
October 18, 2008 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know where your feather came from, but there are those of us here who DO consider this a community.
In my real live community there are lots of people who I don't know, others I don't have very much in common with and others I feel close to. I know few people I can discuss politics with at length, any time day or night.
In this community I have, in a relatively short time, made friends from across the country that I feel close to. There are others that annoy me to pieces, but we are all drawn together by our need to communicate. We validate each other, challenge each other, learn from each.
So what's the big deal? No one is forcing you to be here. If you don't like our community, move to a different one.
October 18, 2008 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do consider this a community, just not in the same sense that many others, such as you, do. And if you do say that this is a community in your sense of the word, then "If you don't like our community, move to a different one" starts to sound an awful lot like "if you don't love it, leave it."
October 19, 2008 2:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not at all..This is a voluntary place to be...you weren't born here. You aren't a TMPican. This is a group of people who chose to be together, warts and all. If you want to be here, be here, if you don't want to be here, then don't be here, but why come in and criticize us? If you want to be with us, make your points. We'll ignore them or agree with them, or challenge them...But don't just move in and tell us we're e-narcissists...it just isn't neighborly.
October 19, 2008 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
There seems to be a mix-up in what sounds like Caspar's neighborhood and what urban sociologists call "third places" and what most of us just call a 'community'.
First places are our homes and second places are where we work. Third places are bars, coffee shops, dog parks, online communities and other gathering places where people connect. They are seen as "central to local democracy and community vitality."
And as one technology blog put it:
I have not generally seen them connected with zuchinni, but hey ...
Self-certainty can be found in them, certainly, but they are not at all defined by them. OK, maybe in Republican third places, but they don't actually do much of the third place thing, anyway. :-)
And, yes, a sense of humor is always welcome. Especially when somebody is wrong. :-)
October 19, 2008 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Our children do not play together on the street, we don't hold meetings to discuss the speed bumps that the city wants to put in front of Mrs. Walker's house, and I don't drop bags of zuchinni off on your doorstep when I find I've planted too many. We probably don't even know each other's names or what each others' faces look like!
Well, hell, one of those things happen in the real life neighborhood where I live. And I live in a relatively small town.
there have also been some people who get an almost narcissistic air about this issue, like they're "helping the community" or something. They probably aren't. The likelihood is that they aren't really doing anything except giving themselves a soap box to stand on and then feeling all puffed up about themselves because they feel like they've gone out and made a real difference in the world because they wrote their blog posts.
Again, how is that different from real life? My entire city council is made up of people just like that.
October 19, 2008 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
That should read "NONE of those things happen."
October 19, 2008 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here I was wondering if it was the zucchini, or the speed bump meetings that your community chose as THAT one, and now you tell me it's 'NONE'.
See how easily rumors get started? :-)
October 19, 2008 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
:)
October 19, 2008 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, you don't think this is a community; so what exactly is the point in writing this? It reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw the other day:
I [heart] cloth diapers
I really had to wonder why the driver wanted us all to know that, but then decided she just didn't have anything better or more interesting to say.
October 19, 2008 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Diapers and zucchini, of any types are objects to avoid, aren't they? Ick. :-)
Good to 'see' you again. Long time, no comment as we say in our online 'communities'.
October 19, 2008 6:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cute pooch! Didn't you used to have flip flops? Almost didn't recognize you! Good to see you! Where've you been hiding?
October 19, 2008 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, Seashell! Good to see you again too -- you betcha!
October 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink