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Why is Jim Cramer not in jail?



Can anyone please answer that question for me?  Is our collective memory so short that we can't remember the December 2006 interview where he admitted to using hedgefund capital to manipulate stocks? 

I remember sending this Video to every foolish daytrader I knew to show them how they are regularly played by the big fish.  He describes quite clearly how if you have a large pool of cash you can just game stocks up or down and then cash out.

"A lot of times when I was short, I would create a level of activity beforehand that would drive the futures. ... It's a fun game,"  He goes on to describe the practice of fomenting, which is creating a down impression for a stock which he admits is 'blatantly illegal', "but you do it anyway because the Securities and Exchange Commission doesn't understand it."



If the link above is faulty here is another link to the video interview, it is quite illuminating: 
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1459183594/bctid1163950434

To his credit he tells us straight how the games are played and how those who believe in the efficiency of the invisible hand are suckers.  (Sorry it does not appear to be available to embed, and the youtube version was removed by the corporate powers that be)

"What's important when you are in that hedge fund mode is to not do anything remotely truthful, because the truth is so against your view, that it's important to create a new truth, to develop a fiction."
I can not think of a better explanation of how utterly destructive our speculator capitalism is.  These hedgefunds are dangerous, they have a fiduciary duty to make cash any way they can and gaming the system is the easiest way to do that.  They are sharks that have zero relevance to market fundamentals or insuring efficient capital allocation. They prosper on rumor and slight of hand.

Despite his later mealymouthed mea culpa and contrived 'insane antics' Jim Cramer is simply a crook.  He was a crook as a hedgefund manager and he is an even bigger crook working for CNBC  (See this daily kos article for network updates and fun insider quotes).  After the bath we have taken this year by hedgefunds and industry insiders why is anybody listening to this bastard?  

Our system depends on sensible capital allocation.  Crazy derivative products that nobody can understand and great pools of unregulated cash that thrive on deception are cancerous to the system.  Financial networks with crooked showman projecting shadow puppets on the wall are no help either.

Where is the justice?
 
-Update- It looks like the Huff post searched the archives too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/11/jim-cramer-shorting-stock_n_173824.html

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Nice piece Sal! Didn't know this Cramer until his screaming rant went viral in 2007. Also didn't know he outright admitted to illegal trading practices. Just shows the general contempt there is for the SEC out there. They know the SEC's incompetent and or unwilling to go after anyone but the bit players. There basically is no legal system as regards finance. Don't know if you've been reading Yves Smith over at Naked Capitalism on the SEC, but everyone really should. it's a sad state of affairs. The reform of the SEC and the CDS 'market' should be priorities Now, and they're not. not a good sign...

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Thanks Obey,

It really the contempt and arrogance that is simply staggering. I mean he is literaly telling us we are stupid right to our face and then a year latter has the audacity to rant about Obama's 3% tax rollback.

Naked Capitalism is a great site, and I fully agree we need dramatic systematic overhaul asap. I am left hoping that the O team is waiting to get its priorities on Health care, energy and education through before really taking on the financial industry. We shall see,

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You shouldn't pay any attention to Cramer. Nobody else does. At my hedge fund we listen to CNBC all day long but when Cramer comes on we always mute the television

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Thanks MC Bill, I am curious though how much do you make at your hedgefund that you qualify as middle class? Are you hiring?

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um. Good question. Obvious answer.

=D

I'm sure they listen quite attentively to Cramer, so he can let loose these pools of er, wisdom, us dummies are too dense to understand.

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Shhh chicken, I want me a middle class job..then I can put down the pitchfork :)

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Ay . . .

Me's too. I'm tired of diving fer grubs in the mud on the bottom.

Oh to own me a little home overlooking the Hudson, with a pond in the back thirty.

~OGD~

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Last year I made nothing. And no we're not hiring. Things are very tough right now. How much did you make last year?

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I was skating along pretty good at the high end of the 25% income tax bracket until most of our upcoming work was canceled...

This year considering a career change.

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Why the cynical question to me in the first place? I was laid off from a big bank a year ago and when no one was hiring I decided to start my own firm. But somehow you have a problem with that.

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No personal offense intended, and Ironically I was working on bank jobs when construction was canceled. So we both got sticks in the fire here.

The tone derived from my piece, where you may have observed an antipathy towards hedgefunds. It may not be fair and from our conversations you seem like an honest man trying to make a buck. However I lived in Asia in the late 90s and I whitnesed the economic devastation when the huge sums that swamped the country all picked up and left at the slightest rumor.

Since that experience I will never trust large secretive funds whose goals i don't know. Clearly I am not a trader, although I do intellectually understand the importance of some of those activities. However what cramer describes is exactly what happend in Asia. I am not sure how to remedy that. Maybe if we take the humans out of the activity so it isn't a game.

That said, I mean it when I say best of luck on your new venture!

(I hope you don't mind if I encourage heavy regulation). But If you have some thoughts on the upcoming financial overhaul I would really appreciate your insider knowledge.

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Bill, shouldn't you guys watch Cramer, so that you know precisely what NOT to do??

Cramer the screaming git is going to be on Daily Show tomorrow night... let's hope Stewart hammers this loser.

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You mean at your Plumbing Supply Store, right, "middle class" Bill?

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It reminds me of Omar Sharif on the Tonight Show. He had lost all his money and he talked about some billionaire giving him a stock tip so that he could get all his money back. On national television.

It is and was a felony. Never prosecuted.

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Did Omar get his advice from Madoff or Stafford?!? Just sayin'.

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We, it was probably 20 years ago. Madoff certainly was around, but I think it was some Arab billionaire. You know Omar was Arab in decent. The ironly about him was that he took is name from the sheriffs on the American Cowboy movies. Of course our word came from Sharif in the first place.

If you have an hour, I bore you even more.
hhahahaaha

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One might well ask why Cramer is not in jail. Of course, one might ask why Cramer still has a job at CNBC. And one might ask why the SEC hasn't been sniffing at both Cramer and CNBC since they are at the very least aiding and abetting.

I appreciate your anger. It is healthy and refreshing.

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I would blame the Reagan revolution, but I suspect is our middle class greed that has looked the other way all these years. Oh well, Hope springs eternal, good thing too as 401ks don't.

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I think the Reagan revolution was as much symptom as it was cause of the underlying problem.

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Nope. Reagan rode to power by demonizing the Soviet Union and blacks. The powers that be hid their money-grabbing agenda behind Reagan's sunny (even in hate) persona. Due to Reagan's success, they've been dominating the Washington consensus, inpoverishing 80% of the population and looting the Treasury ever since.

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Uhhhhh . . .

Cramer? He's a pop culture icon and a current rising American Institution? Or should that be, he should be in an institution?

Bells and whistles and wild ass noises and lights and sirens...

WARNING WARNING : Bullshit detector in full attention mode.

Thank you and good night!

And a mighty QUACK ! to you . . .

~OGD~

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Absolutely amazing! You couldn't even begin to make this stuff up for the movies without losing all credibility. Nobody's REALLY that cynical and that crooked, are they?

Why isn't he in jail, indeed! And just where is the SEC?

And how many more billions do we send their way before they are finally sated. And then can we go about the business of actually fixing this economy for Main Street's sake? Will the hedge fund managers and the others allow us to keep a few sheckels at least so we can at least TRY to make things better for Main Street, too?

God, what chumps we all are!

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If anyone is interested in some serious muckracking about Cramer and his circle, this site, funded by the guy who started overstock.com, is is pretty incredible. It's a little hard to follow because there are so many threads. They're rhetoric is pretty over-the-top.

And yet, here's the interesting thing. The site is funded by a guy with deep pockets. They say things about Cramer that would be sue-me-into-homelessness libelous if untrue. Cramer has not hesitated in the past to use libel suits to silence criticism. And yet, here these guys are, on the Internet and, as far as I know, unsued.

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Because he would bother the other inmates.

This has been a TPMCafe edition of easy answers to simple questions.

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The rants by Rick Santelli and Jim Cramer connote the detachment separating financial insiders from the rest of the country, the rest of humanity; all that matters is the market and their skim, all that matters is their milieu. There is no concern for the country because, for them, there is no “country”, no people, out there. Their worlds are their own bottom lines, boosted by lurid little scams they run on "suckers" and lumbering, corrupt bureaucrats. The financial health of Main Street, of clapboard-and-stucco America, is distant and contemptible. As Santelli said, why do we want to help our neighbor with his mortgage? In his cosmos, there are only assets and liabilities - not neighbors. Humans? Stamp them "loser" and liquidate.

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And why would we want to pay for someone who wrecked their car if ours is fine?

I believe that everyone else paying for the car repair/replacement is the fundamental concept of insurance. That and charge fees so that the current primary purpose of insurance, to make money for shareholders, is also enabled. Historically, however, insurance was a mutual aid system and when excess revenues were received, they spread the wealth around among the policy holders rather then a bunch of uninvolved shareholders who once, many, many years ago, put some money into the company.

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OK, let's cut loose the losers - but first, we dump the whole idea of adjustable interest rates, that chump scam that drains buyers of their assets until lenders and realtors evict them, then resell the homes - at a higher price, of course - to the next sucker who wants a roof over his head. As long as speculators puffed up the housing bubble, toxic loans from predatory lending were valuable assets to banks; defaults/evictions were practically programmed into the process. We level that playing field, then we can go right back to the Horatio Alger/bootstraps bullshit.

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The more I watch the more pisses I get and the harder I grind my teeth.
Cramer drives me nuts he seems to be an adult on Ritalin and we all know what Ritalin does to adults,
I think I am going to intentionally begin spelling his name "CRAMMER" since he seems to be trying to "cram" a whole lot of absolute undiluted BULLSHIT into his show, every fracking night!

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That's a great idea, O?O...

What a minute how do you do that upside down question mark anyway?

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Sal,
Hold down the ALT key and hit 1,6,8 on the number key pad then release the ALT key. Let me know when you get it figured out. and I don't know if it works on APPLE.

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Nope, but I found all these:
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Which was kinda cool

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Hey look at that!

For the apple its "option - shift - /"

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er, option + ? is the short hand. Just sayin'.

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In these 'Tough economic times™', everyone should know these:

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Ha! thanks Bwakfat!

I'm saving every krona i can find around these parts!

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Cramer is a salesman.

There are other people much more deserving of a cell than him.

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Why is Crammer not in jail? Simple: He is a white male. Much harder to arrest. Ask Madoff and all of those CEO's that lied under oath about tobacoo in the 1990's.

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What are you; some sort of America bashing PinkoLib? Why do you hate the Flea-Market?

Your update note of and link to The HuffPost is amusingly ironic, given that on another March 11 post from a HuffPost contributor, Diane Tucker, enlisting the aid of many well-known media Wall Street analysts, opened up both barrels on the DailyKos contributor, TocqueDeville, and the post you linked to.

Diane Tucker, "The Naked Untruth: CEO's Devious Rant Hoodwinks DailyKos Diarist", The Huffington Post, March 11, 2009

In a few past medium-depth search dives into the datastreams, I have acquired a bit of information and some links about Patrick Byrne. Most encounters were not resultant from searching about short-selling, financial institutions, or the markets. For many years, I have attempted to trace net disinformation back to its initial insertion point(s) into the streams. This is usually an impossible goal, but the effort can provide understanding into how net disinformation gets dispersed and propagated. An early insight gained from this, which still validates, is that Wikipedia is a common vector for the insertion, propagation and amplification of net disinformation. There have been many instances where I've attempted to clean-up bad data in Wikipedia stubs, at times leading to pitched battles. Although no official records have been kept, a guesstimate would place the success rate at a little less than 50%. Creating open-source knowledge bases, freely accessible via the internet is a laudable goal. Wikimedia's free and open-source codebase can be utilised towards this end. However. Wikipedia suffers from systemic structural flaws, which may prove to be incurable, and anyone who cites Wikipedia as an authoritative source is delusional, possesses marginal sentience, or worse is a inveterate prevaricator. It's information can be wikipediculous; regular editing on the site is an exercise in wikipeotillomania, unbridled evangelicism about it is an indication of wikipathomania, and its faux democratic commons model of self-governance is in reality a form of wikipaedocracy.

Wikipedia has been exploited abusively by immoral equities traders, and their accomplices. Byrne and associates of his at the DeepCapture website, Mark Mitchell and Judd Bagley, have labored to expose and end this practise using Wikipedia's own internal rules of arbitration, most often ending in futility.

In Tucker's HuffPost blog, she mentions instances of sock-puppetry from the Byrne side, yet conveniently fails to note that at least of of her listed Financial expert references has been clearly outed as a Wikipedia sock-puppet editor, Gary Weiss, who for a long time abused one of his puppet's high Wikipedia status to block all of Byrne's to properly expose this, and get Weiss banned. Minimally, a few other of Tucker's "experts" have published past articles derogatory about short-selling and/or Byrne of dubious veracity. Some have even openly charged that Byrne has dishonestly defamed their reputations. These are not unbiased sources

I shuddered a bit when reading about Tucker's plan to create blogger "Internet Truth Squads". Additionally, the whole concept should be exposed for what it really is: an overt attempt to jack search engine JuJu for personal gratification, using incestuous circlejerking link exchanges between entities willfully wedded together by a shared self-servicing goal. A common blogger whine: they can't get their deserved respect from the MSM, is a fecund absurdity. Meet the future's master purveyors of news, Web 2.0 enabled independent blowhard journos, well-positioned to destroy print and broadcast; lamer and more imbalanced than our present media overlords. Implementing this "Internet Truth Squad" conspiracy will eventually lead to Google zeroing out the PageRank of the websites used, after Google patches the hack, and their search indexes flex to a beat the blogosphere will perceive as a punishing apocalypso algorythmic dissonance. It is always wise to remember: Sergey Brin is everywhere.

If you plan more comprehensive research about any of this, figure out a means for open up a private channel with me, and I'll happily provide a data-dump.

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WOW! Now I know why you tag yourself as CyberAnts!!! Keep at it, my friend.

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Thats some great stuff PseudoCyAnts. And its always great to meet a fellow skeptic of the 'don't be evil' crowd.

NCSteve also posted the link to Deep Capture, I hadn't heard about it before but it is pretty intriguing stuff. I'm going to do some researches and I will get back to you.

Btw- you should put up a post titled Wikipediculous

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welcome Saladin. there are a few things you need to keep firmly focused on, when digging into this. This comment addresses what I perceive to be the most significant of these concepts.

It is vitally important that you understand that Byrne, Mitchell and Bagley, are not demonising the practise of shorting stock in its entirety. They are alleging that in some instances, market shorts have been unlawful, and that these criminal acts have the ability to wreak a great destructive force on publicly traded entities, because it causes an unrealistic stock price volatility.

Small and Medium cap corporations, that do not have the market history of a high percentage of the total number of their shares being traded day to day are especially vulnerable to naked shorts. Deep Capture has made believable claims there have been times when the total number of a company's shares across the global equities markets has exceeded the total number of shares the company has issued. This is strongly indicative of one or more entities abusing naked shorts as a method for expanding the number of a company's publicly issued stock, as an inflationary tool intended to drive down the share price through a temporary fictional dilution. When this has been done by manipulating naked shorts, it is making a profit out of nothing, as no money or shares ever traded in reality. If you ran this sort of game on a bookie, attempting to swing the point spread on a game widely to increase your chances of middling it, you'd likely end up missing one or both of your kneecaps.

Another form of unlawful shorting that has been alleged, is collusion between managers of large equities funds, using their combined throw-weight in an effort to destabilise a stock's value. You should also consider a credible counter-argument presented by some: a corporate board member's public allegation that their company's stock value has been manipulated by shorting, is likely to be nothing but a smoke-screen thrown up to obfuscate the company's deep financial problems.

Take it all with a big grain of salt, because persons who reside on both sides of this fence have big bets down on horses in the race.

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Most excellent rant, especially for the wikieloquence. But my personal favorite part:

A common blogger whine: they can't get their deserved respect from the MSM, is a fecund absurdity. Meet the future's master purveyors of news, Web 2.0 enabled independent blowhard journos, well-positioned to destroy print and broadcast; lamer and more imbalanced than our present media overlords. Implementing this "Internet Truth Squad" conspiracy will eventually lead to Google zeroing out the PageRank of the websites used, after Google patches the hack, and their search indexes flex to a beat the blogosphere will perceive as a punishing apocalypso algorythmic dissonance.

BTW, I find it interesting when you bring this up partly because I have come to the same conclusion from a totally different vantage point from yours, i.e., I am an idiot on the back end stuff which you know so well, I came to it just from immersion in the results. It is helpful for me to see it from your vantage point, including particulars on the systemics that can aid and abet.

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If the MSM actually does dry up and blow away, it would be a worst nightmare scenario for the vast majority of journo wannabe bloggers, who would suddenly discover they were not in possession of enough pocket change to laundry their pajamas. Few bloggers who claim their posts are newsworthy, are involved in journalistic endeavours that creates new content as work product. They are downstream producers of derivatives from it.

The Internet Truth Squad concept is a scheme to jack up each other's search engine placement through quid pro quo conspiratorial link exchanges. Compare Tucker's publication time of the HuffPo blog I cited above with the following two, whose authors she identified as being part of the scheme:

William K. Wolfrum, The Truth Squad - an attempt to do something about the bad weather in journalism, William K. Wolfrum Chronicles, March 11th, 2009

Gary Weiss, Exposing the Overstock.com Swiftboat Campaign, Seeking Alpha, March 11, 2009

That's a nice tight grouping, eh?

A quick last thought; one of the principles at DeepCapture is Mark Mitchell, a former editor of Columbia School of Journalism. The other side has become so depraved, they now charge he is a washed-up has been journo with no prospects on the horizon, who derives his sustenance from handouts from the deep pockets of Patrick M. Byrne, CEO of OverStock.com. That low blow is well below the belt.

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downstream producers of derivatives from it

Sounds familiar from some other context, eh? :-)

Progressives see "oversight" of government as a necessity. But for many, it seems, for their information needs, they want anarchy, think it will serve them well. Man on the street reporting, right, so far that is shaping up as: millions of tweets and blurry cell phone images mixed with text message-style abbreviated descriptions.

I got a little wind of the specific scenario you lay out in this reply just a few days ago, depressing and frightening. Your links are helpful, though.

I never wanted to be one of those old people who yammers about the good old days, but it's looking more and more like literacy in general much less good reporting will be quite funky for those golden years, and that is what I will unfortunately be doing. I do have faith in an eventual revival, like maybe sometime after I am dead, but the next couple of decades look pretty bleak to me...a gazillion mangy trees, no forest... cognitive dissonance galore...at exactly a moment in time when the world desperately requires clarity, brilliance and leadership, there will be only noise, cacophony and manipulation of it.

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AA, you need to cease and desist the dreams of fogeyism. at least in this direction. Twitter and SMS texting possess utility as one of many net tools in an individual's communication kit. Those who think they are vehicles for riding to the promised land are in massive failure mode. Even in the current Web 2.0 models with their low signal to noise and low latency high inanity constant data-streaming, 140 character max text messages aren't going to be an end all.

It is proper to be concerned about the lack of safe harbors within the datastreams, where new concepts and ideas can be worked on using cooperative methods; where dialogs and debates are given enough time to evolve. Short-Attention-Span ideations are not just something that old-fogeys are concerned about. What is important is that the net continues on with a balanced field in the free-marketplace of ideas, because i firmly believe that in a fair fight, truth wins. Worry less about the tweets of twittering twits, and more about the free and open exchange of information in any form that its propagators choose to utilise.

I have been vocally critical of the Web 2.0 mentality, when it gets bound to a very limited set of methods to derive revenue streams on commercial sites. It is not just here that I have spoken up, but do so here with a greater frequency, because I believe the site's principles are concerned about free access to information, along with their understandable need for profitability. They have also proven themselves to care about their users' input, and to have a desire to constantly improve the site's usability.

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I protest your vocabulary choice; it's not dreams, it's nightmares. :-)

Short-Attention-Span ideations are not just something that old-fogeys are concerned about.

I am not convinced of that. If anything, I am more convinced that children raised with the current net, the next generation, will have neurological development geared to short attention spans. When they reach their teens and beyond, they are the favored target audience of any for-profit system, and content will be produced that suits them. And the way things are going, the minority that doesn't prefer that won't have much input into what happens at all.

I don't think that would be a "forever" thing, though. There are always counter-reactions by the next generation. (I.E. the net of 2050 could be considerd a real snore by the new yungins', and books and surviving old magazines the coolest, most desirable things around. I think many of those younger than me with better attention spans already don't like the net that much. It just takes too much time to find quality content, to the detriment of actual social life and other such things, it's too democratic.

I myself am seeing Google results grow shittier by the day, more of quality left out every day. Is it true that their book project is not including illustrations? As to social life itself, I also see Facebook quickly spinning out of control to somewhere nearer something like the now rejected MySpace.

I get what you are saying about "these are just tools." But I see rejection of those tools by those who could help the situation, and use of them by those who will hurt it.

I agree more with what you said that it will be like the MSM, but worse. That's where things seem to be going for a couple of decades. Until someone says "hey, let's have some great large newspapers competing again, there's a big market for it" and similar in other venues (and I don't mean it has to be dead-tree paper.)

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Are you able to type out the ASCII smiley face by memory on the keyboard? If so, do you know how to type any other ASCII smileys without looking it up? I comprehend reading them, but have never made the effort to learn how to type them out. When reading them, I do not perceive a few characters grouping, each represents one symbol in totality, and each symbol is overloaded with more than one meaning, which needs be considered contextually for proper understanding of its meaning. It is language, pure and simple. If you were trying to convey the same concept that you intended with the 3 character smiley face, using only words found in an English dictionary, what would be the smallest number of characters required? Living languages constantly evolve. New words are in reality the synthesis and condensation of a concept down into one self-contained unit, decreasing the amount of data that need be exchanged to express it.

Twitter is a net service providing a communications tool, that properly utilised, is able to facilitate some communication tasks. I have found it to be well-suited for quick hyperlinked pointers, very much akin to what is being communicated in an HTML anchor tag. Twitter itself leeches off of another free net service that decreases the size of data necessary to be exchanged, TinyURL, which means that any URL, regardless of its actual length, is passed on Twitter using less than 30 characters, leaving 110 characters for the maximum size of the anchor text. That is almost always sufficient for communicating a hyperlink to all individuals in a personal network.

Twitter is presently in a cycle of media overhype. I suspect that a part of the reason for this has been Twitter's successful recapitalisation effort. The principles suddenly made themselves very accessible to media contact. Another reason for the hype has been the embrace of it by politicians, many of whom are themselves clueless about its limitations for use as a communications tool. They were advised to use the service by NetHepCat analysts, who are Hired Guns contracted after Obama's election, because these dim-witted pols believe that Obama won, only because he more effectively utilised new tech. tweetcongress.org is a great source when needing new material for a comedy routine.

Maybe you should look at how a true wired journo uses Twitter. I recommend Ana Marie Cox, the original Wonkette, because you are aware of her, she is a published author, now employed by Time Magazine as a journalist, and can often be refreshingly satirical with blunt and brutal realism in her analysis. I just peeked at her Twitter stream page, and she Twittered Jon Stewart's televised interview with Jim Cramer. How is that for bringing this thread comment drift back into its original focus? Her current most recent tweet is an excellent case in point:

Honestly I would pay to have Stewart interview Cramer every night. Not that much. But some. Like, what's left in my 401K. #fcu
In case you haven't been following Jon Stewart's recent tirades against MSNBC's stock market touts, the #fcu refers to Stwart's recent comments to MSNBC video excerpts of both Santelli and Cramer, which was just: "F**k You!" Cox provides very strong evidence that the pajama wearing dreamers, who are journo wannabe bloggers, with blind faith believing that the MSM is a dinosaur convulsing on its death bed, and the only impediment to their rising star of fame, are, and will ever be, nothing but daydreaming hacks, disassociated from reality. The blogosphere may well be the primary swampy pool from whence tomorrow's journalists will emerge from, but even so, it will still be a brutal place, where Darwin-styled paradigms rule, and whiners will not survive as the fittest.

As to the particulars of Google's recent agreement with publishers regarding their indexing of published works still under copyright protection, and whether this agreement means they won't be indexing books that are illustration collections, I haven't the answer presently. I use GoogleBooks frequently, even have my own personal account, and the last time I logged onto it, briefly scanned their notice of the agreement, but I seldom use GoogleBooks for accessing copyrighted product, and consider that to be of limited utility. I am evangelical about GoogleBooks, because they freely provide complete text indexes, and scanned PDF reproductions of an incredible number of texts that time has freed into the Public Domain. The size of that knowledge base is almost beyond my ability to comprehend it. You are much more focused on illustrations than I am. Does Google Books include non-copyrighted works of illustration collections? I am unsure if they have many, but know that there are a few I've run across.

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I guess I lean towards AA's sentiments on this, the twits bother me. Not the 140 characters themselves but the general loss of context they symbolize. Everything moves so quickly and memory so flaccid, I mean even the election seems like eons ago. That was why I even wrote this post, because I could not believe that everyone forgotten that what he admitted.

I am deeply fearful of the coming days when we might lose the print journalism that everyone else depends on for their foundation. But I am scared to death about the ability of one entity to control all information.

I remain hopeful that some new models can be found for print journalism, but the datastream control scares me much more. I remember living abroad in the late nineties and reading about bombing Iraq every two weeks or so. Something that was never reported in the US MSM, not even the storied grey lady bothered most of the time. Then when the run up to the war happened, I flat out laughed that they could have WMDs. We had thousands of eyes on them every single day and bombed them regularly, we had no fly zones over two thirds of the country. There was no way in hell, but that is not how it was reported here.


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I haven't noticed a recent decline in the quality of Google search results, but I frequently use advanced search methods, and/or more keywords in searches than does the average net user. All of the mainstream web search engines are constantly tweaking their algorithms in an effort to increase search result relevance. If a search engine is unable to return relevant results, its users will eventually go elsewhere for their searches. It is an evolve or die environment. This isn't the proper place for advice about advanced search methods, but if you often are finding irrelevant results that are from the same main domain, you can exclude it from the results with the addition of the following into your search: -site:http://unwanteddomain.com - So say for example that you desired to exclude all search results that pointed to Google;s free blog service in a Google search. For that you add onto the end of your search the following: -site:http://www.blogger.com - nifty, eh?

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artappraiser, note the two urls in the above post. I consciously used escape code for the forward slashes so that they would not be active links in a effort to avoid the two link max per comment. This was the last part of the previous post, and I had to split it up to get it to publish.

Check the source code for the last paragraph above. My escaped code was stripped, and normal forward slash characters were inserted, yet this still keeps the url from being published as active, but counts against the two link total per comment. I am somewhat miffed by all of this, and even went so far as to accuse saladin of censoring his blog's comments, before i figured out what was up.

If this is too geekish of an explanation for you to understand, just tell me, and I'll try to degeekify it...

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On the TPM issues--

I used to know but forgot how to check source code for a page. I know where it is on the I.E. menu "View" but I don't get anything when I hit it.

I do understand what you are saying about it triggering the spam filter for you even though they are dead links.

But I don't understand what you are saying about what you did with the urls because what I see is that you put "site" in front of it without a space, and that in itself would make it a dead url, wouldn't it? I do understand what you mean by the system stripping your code out and replacing it with the slashes, but I don't know what "escape code" is.

I've seen a couple of oddball thread occurences here lately. One had the margins screwed up for the replies, reminsicent to me of that old problem with bulletin board software when you put in too-long urls.

on this thread, a possible tip that could be of help to you? My Windows Vista IE (being used in default, "factory" mode, unaltered) is giving me the following message: To protect your security, Internet Explorer has blocked has blocked this website from displaying content with security certificate errors. Click here for options.... I think that's happened with another thread here too recently.

On google--

I am pretty experienced in all manner of specialized searches, rather, I meant that I am increasingly disappointed with what is covered by google, not with the order of what is returned. I realize that it is often the choice of sites themselves not to be included (proprietary databases, etc.) But that doesn't solve the problem of most people going there for their information in the next decade or so and presuming they are accessing most everything of import out there. More and more, it seems to be just the equivalent of "MSM," in many areas, they cover less of quality.

Their "News" is one area where they are actually still quite good if you do specialized searches, but in many other areas, they are just missing so much. I see the problem as giving the illusion of informing, but not really even giving a small percentage of what is out there if you want expertise. People think they can give themselves expertise, on say, a medical condition, or, say a point of geneology, using google. But they can't, because a lot of the important stuff is either not included by google or is on google but is pay-per-view beyond synopsis. So they go to the crummier sites on whatever topic they are researching, because they are on google and free, and get garbage info., and think they are informed on everything on topic. And it's ye olde "garbage in, garbage out" problem rearing it's head as I see it.

Example: a while ago, I went searching for 19th century English political cartoons on a certain now considered esoteric topic. There wasn't jack squat on the google, just one, out of the many I know that were done. I know that the New York Public Library has a lot of them, but their related database is not accessed via google.

Most history sites included on google, even university ones, are actually pretty pitiful, I expected more by this date, I guess it's because a lot of university databases aren't included? Its absolutely pitiful when it comes to records of American artists, I know that for a fact. You have to know to go start basic research at askart.com, they are not on google, but they have over the years basically taken over the transcription of all the major American artist compendiums. In any case, it's increasingly being used as if it's the font of all human knowledge, nothing else out there, and increasingly to me, that's looking like a very very bad trend. I can give another example of what I mean from my own field: most of this information is not on google, and most of it is never going to be on google, even with google books, because it's not standard "books." Likewise, they'll have some medical journals, but not others. Seems more and more to me like they are just becoming the "lowest common denominator of human knowledge" site, and it's sad.

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Ha! Artappraiser is an art appraiser. Thats awesome

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Speaking as someone who knows: PseudoCyAnts' comments are categorically false. As I am 100% sure of this, that is all I have to say on the matter and would appreciate it if PseudoCyAnts would either admit that he/she invented it, or show me some type of evidence for his/her reasoning.

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And I meant his comments toward the "Truth Squad" concept. Sorry for the omission.

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