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I am not interested in prosecuting small fish now, only the BIG FISH
I am in the final chapters of reading Phillippe Sands book, "Torture Team" which lays out in fairly simple stark evidential fashion that it was the Bush Leadership that brought about, fostered and desired torture to be used at Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and places unknown and operated by the CIA. The evidence that he has already gathered is quite convincing where these masters of the bureaucratic darkside manipulated every government check and balance to authorize torture as a means of interrogation.
These memos released today only lay more evidence to those already gathered. Torture was well defined and understood before Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld who are the biggest fish. The next level the underbosses so to speak; Feith, Haynes, Addington, Yoo, Bybee, Gonzales, Dell'Orto, Wolfowitz, and Cambone were the politco henchmen who worked their legal and bureaucractic magic to this done for the biggest fish. They found the mechanics, General's Dunleavy and Miller, willing soldiers along with secondary mechanics like the gulliable Col Beaver to actually show cover. Underneath this cover is a whole world of blind commited soldiers be they in special ops or the dark side of our civilian claudestine forces who carried out this stuff.
Ironically or not so, Sands states that they never got anything from their torture....nothing except Cheney's illusions or dreams.
This is my take Obama Administration. I think you will be faced with the inevitable. The Congress will have to do its dirty work and investigate not unlike Watergate. This will not be pleasant for many because what was done was Un-American and it will to many abroad that we were criminal in this regards. Once enough evidence is gained the Congress will have to call the bigger and bigger fish....do not offer any immunity. Then refer it to the Justice Department where Obama will not have any choice because simultaneously the World will be seeking retribution.
We will have to be big enough to prosecute our own for war crimes and crimes against humanity including torture---regardless of the intent to protect us from perceived evil that was and could be done to us. It will be a long dark chapter for much more will come out yet unknown. There will be those supporters regardless but so what.
So Obama stop talking and Congress get on with what you need to do. Call those who did this under oath and get it on record.
These memos released today only lay more evidence to those already gathered. Torture was well defined and understood before Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld who are the biggest fish. The next level the underbosses so to speak; Feith, Haynes, Addington, Yoo, Bybee, Gonzales, Dell'Orto, Wolfowitz, and Cambone were the politco henchmen who worked their legal and bureaucractic magic to this done for the biggest fish. They found the mechanics, General's Dunleavy and Miller, willing soldiers along with secondary mechanics like the gulliable Col Beaver to actually show cover. Underneath this cover is a whole world of blind commited soldiers be they in special ops or the dark side of our civilian claudestine forces who carried out this stuff.
Ironically or not so, Sands states that they never got anything from their torture....nothing except Cheney's illusions or dreams.
This is my take Obama Administration. I think you will be faced with the inevitable. The Congress will have to do its dirty work and investigate not unlike Watergate. This will not be pleasant for many because what was done was Un-American and it will to many abroad that we were criminal in this regards. Once enough evidence is gained the Congress will have to call the bigger and bigger fish....do not offer any immunity. Then refer it to the Justice Department where Obama will not have any choice because simultaneously the World will be seeking retribution.
We will have to be big enough to prosecute our own for war crimes and crimes against humanity including torture---regardless of the intent to protect us from perceived evil that was and could be done to us. It will be a long dark chapter for much more will come out yet unknown. There will be those supporters regardless but so what.
So Obama stop talking and Congress get on with what you need to do. Call those who did this under oath and get it on record.
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You threaten to prosecute little fish so they will rat on the big fish. That's if you care about catching big fish.
April 17, 2009 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the process is for the Congress to do what they do best, call an official investigation with subpoena power and do what they did in Watergate.
Go up the ladder and get people on the record. Essentially the threat of perjury and obstruction for the little fish is greater than the underlying crime since most will not be prosecuted if they were following orders with even unlawful legal opinions. But that still means they have to testify and with all the paper trails it will be hard to continue to lie.
As the process goes there will be details revealed, where someone with a conscience will crack in the underboss area.
My guess is that someone told Yoo and Bybee to write what they did in Geneva. That Haynes Memo was written under the instructions by Cheney and approved by Bush to legalize and redefine torture.
When enough evidence is gathered Obama and Admin will have to appoint a special prosecutor. Even more will emerge from grand jury testimony as threats of more perjury and obstruction....
When I mean the small fish I mean prosecution for the undelying crimes....now that does not mean immunity from World Courts....for we have long established internationally that following orders does not make you immune as we see now with the Nazi Prison guard in the news.
April 18, 2009 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not convinced the little fish here will tattle. They're not dime store crooks -- they're parts of the volunteer army and the CIA, who believe in what they do and see all of us like whiny spoiled idiots who don't know a thing about the real world.
I know this because I know some of them.
April 17, 2009 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
In other words, they have a God complex. All the more reason to prosecute them.
April 17, 2009 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink