Trading in Birth Certificates (continued)
Well, I thought I would make a splash with my first entry, and considering the response, I guess I did. I haven't received an e-mail from Josh in about two years, so it was nice seeing him ask if I got this information from Nostradamus. Well, it would be handy to be on a first-name basis with that guy, but I am not.
I wish that the information provided in my first post was false. I have given you the means to test it. It's just that with a Ph.D. (a.b.d.) in American history, I tend to follow things to their logical conclusions. I have done considerable research in recent American history, and have found some serious anomalies in what we have been told about our recent past. I have watched myths being formed based upon almost no truths, and the population accepting these fabrications with few complaints. Note also, that I am using my real name in this blog, and I am not selling anything, or asking people to register at another site.
Getting back to the topic at hand, since I first shared this information with close friends, who shared it with a few others, I have received some confirmation from people who looked up their birth certificates as suggested. Here's a sample response from a guy in England:
"I did the whole process, and was rather shocked that for some reason the value of the account associated with my name dropped at about the same time as I quit my job and went traveling...then it went up when I started working again (paying income tax) which kind of freaked me out. Though, if the number and account is linked to thousands of people...lots of people at the same time went traveling to India!
But like many people it would be good to have concrete directions to follow.
If its money based on us, do we have a right to it? Can it be accessed to pay off debts?
Can it be used to build a community centre in your town?
And more importantly, who has successfully accessed this, without
a) Having a suspicious accident &
b) Having to sign the official secrets Act to stop them telling everyone about how to do it to?
Apparently the broker in charge of my CUSIP number is a US guy called Geoff [last name omitted] MBA, BSE....why is an American broker in charge of my English CUSIP number?"
So, a few of you are asking what's the point of knowing this? Well, the point is if we are experiencing an almost complete meltdown of the world's economy, wouldn't it be great to have a fresh start, instead of giving those who created the problem handouts to do more of the same? How and why did our economy become based upon debt instruments? Why was the federal income tax act (16th Amendment) passed the same year (1913) that the Federal Reserve Act was passed? How did the New York and European based banking cartel, now known as the Federal Reserve Bank, hoodwink the American people and the Congress into getting governmental blessing? Why is this banking cartel allowed to print our national currency charging us interest for that privilege? Why can't the U.S. government print its own fiat money?
Regarding these matters that appear so strange to many of you, as they also were to me when I first came upon them, please keep an open mind. Don't just dismiss them because some of them are shared by right-wingers. It is too easy for those in control to keep us divided by labels. Do your own research. May I suggest: G.Edward Griffin's The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve.
I wish that the information provided in my first post was false. I have given you the means to test it. It's just that with a Ph.D. (a.b.d.) in American history, I tend to follow things to their logical conclusions. I have done considerable research in recent American history, and have found some serious anomalies in what we have been told about our recent past. I have watched myths being formed based upon almost no truths, and the population accepting these fabrications with few complaints. Note also, that I am using my real name in this blog, and I am not selling anything, or asking people to register at another site.
Getting back to the topic at hand, since I first shared this information with close friends, who shared it with a few others, I have received some confirmation from people who looked up their birth certificates as suggested. Here's a sample response from a guy in England:
"I did the whole process, and was rather shocked that for some reason the value of the account associated with my name dropped at about the same time as I quit my job and went traveling...then it went up when I started working again (paying income tax) which kind of freaked me out. Though, if the number and account is linked to thousands of people...lots of people at the same time went traveling to India!
But like many people it would be good to have concrete directions to follow.
If its money based on us, do we have a right to it? Can it be accessed to pay off debts?
Can it be used to build a community centre in your town?
And more importantly, who has successfully accessed this, without
a) Having a suspicious accident &
b) Having to sign the official secrets Act to stop them telling everyone about how to do it to?
Apparently the broker in charge of my CUSIP number is a US guy called Geoff [last name omitted] MBA, BSE....why is an American broker in charge of my English CUSIP number?"
So, a few of you are asking what's the point of knowing this? Well, the point is if we are experiencing an almost complete meltdown of the world's economy, wouldn't it be great to have a fresh start, instead of giving those who created the problem handouts to do more of the same? How and why did our economy become based upon debt instruments? Why was the federal income tax act (16th Amendment) passed the same year (1913) that the Federal Reserve Act was passed? How did the New York and European based banking cartel, now known as the Federal Reserve Bank, hoodwink the American people and the Congress into getting governmental blessing? Why is this banking cartel allowed to print our national currency charging us interest for that privilege? Why can't the U.S. government print its own fiat money?
Regarding these matters that appear so strange to many of you, as they also were to me when I first came upon them, please keep an open mind. Don't just dismiss them because some of them are shared by right-wingers. It is too easy for those in control to keep us divided by labels. Do your own research. May I suggest: G.Edward Griffin's The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve.
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Ruth, I certainly have an somewhat open mind.
However it also seems to me that what you shared was nothing new. The trail of links that you offered was also seriously messy and questionable.
Seriously from what I recall people came through Boulder, CO... not a completely uninformed area and shared a lot of this information. And many were very intrigued. Some were acquaintances who chose not to pay taxes based on their own beliefs about things... I did not get involved in their arguments... I just know that a government requires money to run and to provide social services, education, and defense etc. So not paying 'any' taxes didn't make sense to me.
What was being done at that time was that these 'freemen' were supposedly putting together a lawsuit to get people this 'money'. They presented all of the corporationg info and you are being used as an asset of the federal govt. etc. (to be honest I see how this makes sense if we borrow money from other countries, don't like the notion but I am willing to consider the possibility that this could happen on paper,except then why doesn't the govt. just enocurage a population in increase to improve financial standing?) They gave out paperwork and people were to submit money and filled out paperwork to get the money in question... and were basically scammed out of funds and nothing ever came of it.
Even if some of the facts at hand are true, following this road of thought seems like a fiasco as far as I am concerned... seriously. We need a govt. It needs money to run. We don't have some pocket of money 'belonging' to us (but wouldn't that be nice:)).
Based on my experience of the scam I've mentioned.
Obviously, you claim to be very well educated. I live in Boulder, CO where people offering 'soul' healing is not something they are immediatley discounted for.
However much of what you seem to be associating yourself with I find highly questionable and
unless someone from the TPM community, like PseudoCyAnts, Josh, Zipperpus, or Quinn, Yug Doog, et al feels this is worth exploring any further, I am suggesting that fellow TPMer's steer clear.
Josh and many of us here at TPM already commented n your previous blog about this in Josh's words that this is 'Whacked'.
June 16, 2009 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
well okay plenty of typos there but hopefully you get the point:)
June 16, 2009 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I find it challenging to join a group of highly opinionated people on this blog, who are quick to shoot the messenger and ignore the message. (If you want to know more about me and the doctorate I didn't get, then please read my book Seraphim Blueprint, which is on Amazon, or have your public library order it)
I agree that some of the ideas I have presented in my first posts are shared with Americans who protest paying federal income tax. I am not so brave. In fact, I file income tax forms with both the U.S. and Australian federal governments every year. I am not suggesting that anyone get involved with what may have been scams trying to get back tax money returned from the government.
What I have heard though, is that our income tax money does not go towards the necessary services you mention, but instead goes to servicing the national debt to the Federal Reserve Bank.
There is so little transparency around any of these things, that I don't know how one could support or refute such ideas. I am tired of just assuming that my government is always doing the right thing in this regard. Just look at how the SEC failed to catch Bernie Madoff, after being told about him repeatedly by whistleblowers.
I am not at all certain what sort of action should be taken with the information I have gathered. I am just puzzled by it, and would love to have some clarification, or rebuttal based upon fact and not innuendo.
June 16, 2009 10:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
First of all I did not say anything about your doctorate. I really have no interest in reading your book.
And you are mistaken. This group that scammed people long ago were talking about the same thing you are. They were not talking about getting their taxes back. The acquaintances I mentioned that invited me to the meeting were people who did not pay taxes... that was an aside.
I think it is silly to overlook the fact that government services are being provided every day.
As I said if you go back and look at it there may very well be some disturbing realities about the Federal Reserve et al. I am not going to argue or dispute that. What I was trying to share with you that this scam about there being a pile of money for you to have... 'that' is a scam and as far as the rest.. well if you real proof otherwise.. not just some speculation, especially if you get your own pile of money... then I might believe you. But having been through this years ago with some very well educated, new age people her in Boulder, I have every reason to believe that this will lead us nowhere.
You may call this close minded and opinionated.. but I call it wisdom based on experience.
I used to work for Ken Wilber and the Integral Institute. I have met and learned from spiritual teachers, authors etc from around the world. I am not an idiot. And I do not consider myself closed minded. There are all kinds of real problems that need dealing with if you want to focus on these things. I am all about taking action. But I am trying to do you a favor here and let you know this information about the corporation and being used as an asset and being entitled to money etc. was all there years ago... this is just not new in my opinion.
June 17, 2009 3:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ruth,
Watch this:
Money as Debt
We know how it works. It has just been allowed to fester so long that if we cut it off now, the whole financial system collapses.
I know you want to get a revolution going of some kind, but really - of few items you have that are true, you are not telling us anything new.
The rest of your ideas (the accounts according to our birth certificates) well its just bullshit. Sorry.
June 17, 2009 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, readers, please do Google some of these things.
G. Edward Griffin is a good start - anyone remember Laetrile? (A phony "cancer cure" promoted by...well...some of the stranger "alternative medicine" adherents - generally those interested in making a buck off the moribund and their families.) The rest of his history is rather interesting as well. Especially the bits about Freedom Force International.
And Ruth, you say you're good at follow-through. Since (a.b.d.) is academic for "all but dissertation" can we take it to mean that includes only some areas of endeavor? And what is the term for claiming a credential you don't have, again? Oh, well, to put it nicely, misrepresentation. You do not have a PhD, full stop.
Did the angel tell you to stop short?
STAY AWAY FROM THIS PERSON AND EVERYTHING SHE ADVOCATES!
June 16, 2009 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is an awesome line Grouch:
That is the best "calling out" of a fraud that I have heard in a long time. LOL.
June 16, 2009 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, if we had some bacon, we could have bacon and eggs. If we had some eggs.
June 16, 2009 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I generally stay away from people I can't understand (well, except maybe for Quinn, but I have it on good authority that he is relatively harmless!) but thanks for the warning...
June 16, 2009 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
hahahahahahahaha speechless
June 16, 2009 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Robert Kiyosaki, author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad endorsed G. Edward Griffin's book The Creature from Jekyll Island on the back cover with this comment: "This is a murder mystery about the financial 'murder' of the middle class." Enough said.
June 16, 2009 10:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look the grouch is being protective. I looked up this book. Ron Paul has endorsed it as well. I don't have a problem with this book at least I haven't read so I can't comment. But the other links and the basic plot you laid out is bogus I am sorry to say. Pretty much anytime we are looking at trying to get some huge amount of money for nothing ... it's a scam. Many well intentioned people here in Boulder some who are just as smart as you bought into this years ago and it led... nowhere.
Blessings:)
June 17, 2009 3:26 AM | Reply | Permalink