The Little People Have Been Demoted On TPMCafe (Updated)
First, readers' blogs disappeared from their box on the front page of TPM, and now we're all squeezed into the left-hand margin, far down on the page at TPMCafe.
What next?
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First, readers' blogs disappeared from their box on the front page of TPM, and now we're all squeezed into the left-hand margin, far down on the page at TPMCafe.
What next?
That's not a demotion. The Cafe homepage was messed up overnight by bad code in someone's post. It's all fixed now -- Al just took care of it.
November 10, 2009 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ack! Now you've done it! I was going to tell vege it was just him.
=D
November 10, 2009 9:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Har! Good one, Bwakfat!
But meanwhile...
The readers' little box in the sun disappeared permanently from the front page, and that wasn't a software glitch.
November 10, 2009 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
And why am I so paranoid? (Apart from living in a dying biosphere and a bankrupt nation....)
When I first started posting on the internet, my venue was CommonDreams, where readers' comments appeared directly under the "official" posts.
Then the (much more radical than the site owners) readership was partially disappeared, but still only one click away under "official" posts, and then...
The site stopped allowing readers to post links, or any sort of html code whatsoever.
This is actually a big deal, because...
If you're reading this comment, you probably know why.
So I looked around for another venue, and here I sort of am, a refugee from many, many other sites where criticism of our Messianic President was a disappearing offense, and...
When I feel a little sunshine fade off us humble readers, as in our front-page box, I think...
What next?
November 10, 2009 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't be paranoid. Josh had to make room for extensive teabagger coverage, and someone had to get the boot.
November 10, 2009 12:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, but there's still a huge amount of white space on the front page, if you scroll down to where Josh Marshall's posts are still running along the left margin.
It isn't about space.
It's about somebodies and nobodies, as Robert W. Fuller would say.
November 10, 2009 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
TPM Cafe is the idiot child, Josh would prefer to have chained in the basement.
November 10, 2009 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kaspar Hauser! It's the story of my beautiful childhood...
Except that I never actually escaped from the basement, and DSL is still my only window on the world!
BTW miguelito... Do pigs really wear sunglasses sometimes, or is your avatar "ironic," or what?
November 10, 2009 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Define pig.
November 10, 2009 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently the prevailing theory is that Kaspar Hauser stabbed himself to revive sympathy and attention when his fame began to wane.
Previously...
I think there's a lesson here for all of us "humble" readers!
November 10, 2009 6:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hauser stopped being a cute little trick monkey for the sophisticates. You can practically taste the class disdain in that testimony.
November 10, 2009 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
You joke, but there was no management acknowledgement of this thread. In my experience, Marshall usually pipes up on editorial criticisms that get a lot of traffic when they bother him, (like he did recently about anonymous sources,) but when they don't bother him, he doesn't say anything. (Of course, he cannot look at everything and evidence is that he does not, but from what I've seen, I think he looks at "most recommended" and "most viewed.") Teabagger Central subsite coming soon?
November 11, 2009 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hear you. I used to post at CSPAN. They took down their community to "improve" it, and it never came back.
Josh wouldn't do that, I don't think.
November 10, 2009 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Josh is OK. Been here since he started TPM and he has never, not for a second, made the site unavailable for any reason, unless it was broke, and has never even discussed the possibility as far as I know. Not to worry.
November 10, 2009 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think he would ever shut off commenting ability of the type like on TPMDC, but I think you should follow the Boy Scout motto and be prepared if the style of Cafe site is what you are attached to. Er, or maybe Obama's motto of "change" would be more appropriate?
Plus, though they've had some beta testing by readers of site changes, they've also had a petty strong tradition here of just making big changes without any announcements or explanation.
November 11, 2009 9:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
And was going to blame him. So much for that wisecrack. Looks like I was a viable ecology and a trillion short on that opportunity.
November 10, 2009 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dude, I would even take the blame for Obama, if it meant that I had even an iota of influence on anything at all.
"It's all my fault! ...and now can I please rescue just one human being from our senseless occupation of Afghanistan? Can I save just one job or prevent just one foreclosure?"
And ain't that pitiful!
No fucking blame, and no fucking power!
...apart from some very small-scale charitable contributions.
November 10, 2009 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Versha, is the shift off the front page temporary or is this a more permanent change?
Am interested because the Cafe writers such as Robert Reich et al also seem to have been deep-sixed.
November 10, 2009 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
good point. Of course he could be on vacation.
November 10, 2009 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ya know, I noticed that Reich's posts were also being printed at Salon and perhaps other places. I had previously thought he was posting to TPM, but that wasn't the case. Perhaps he's been on vaca or they are concentrating on having posts from people who are not cross posting elsewhere?
November 10, 2009 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
There used to be a box with the main TPM Cafe contributor pieces profiled (such as Reich, but also others), as well as the Top 5 Readers posts. Both seem to have disappeared, so it's not just Reich I think. I have no idea why, or whether they aim to reinstate anything. Odd, though.
November 10, 2009 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quite so.
November 11, 2009 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
The lack of an answer from management on your question (there was another blog asking that recently, they didn't answer that one either.) is not a surprise, given that on the TPM front page, there's indications of big changes coming, Marshall is hiring someone to be the publisher instead of him:
Go to his link, you will find not only that the publisher will be the primary manager of our audience growth, mobile media, business development and partnership strategies and have a Key opportunity to help build and grow one of the most innovative and closely-watched web-native news organizations in the country
but also that they are hiring a Social Media & Publicity Associate who must be intimately familiar with the emerging social media world, including key sites and communities, as well as emerging trends in the field.
Given that anyone can start their own blog and Facebook page and twitter etc. for social conversation, I do get the sense that reader generated content on other websites is becoming less popular. Though commenting sections abound on newspaper sites, etc., and seem to be popular, the reader-generated content on sites like HuffPo, etc., once highly promoted, now seem to be fading into the background.
Also seems to me that the commenting on TPMDC generates a lot more traffic than either TPMCafe Reader or Contributor Blogs, and that it's also a pretty separate community of users, just like when it was Election Central. I do recall Marshall pointing out several times on meta threads that the Cafe site costs him money rather than making him money.
There was no editorial response to the post complaining about heavy coverage of teabagger stories, either.
Also note that he still publishes lots of content from readers, it's just the readers that email him, and he has never seemed to consider TPM Cafe users as "his" readers or audience. And he's always done that, he prefers communicating with his audience by email and has never enabled comments on his posts.
November 11, 2009 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Note also that there are only 3 more Book Clubs scheduled, with lots of space inbetween the 2nd and 3rd, and none after that.
In possibly related news, it sez in the NYT Business Section today that for web news sites, video is where the money is. I do recall Marshall asking the audience in the past to click on videos, around the same time as the creation of the TPMTV page.
November 11, 2009 9:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I'm curious if the front page change is permanent. Also, what about all the problems people have been having lately with just opening pages at tpm?
November 10, 2009 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Still all gone though.
November 11, 2009 8:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's a cold, hard world that we blog in. ;-)
November 10, 2009 9:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_CAs3q7G48
;-}
November 10, 2009 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
November 10, 2009 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I expect the snickering from your quarters to die down round about the time you figure out "Bacon Bits" is actually bits of old Uncle Aubrey.
November 10, 2009 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Aubrey was a prick. When me and da otra piglets were playings aroun' da barnyard, Unca Aubrey used to yell at us to keep the squealin' down or he'd smack us upside da head. Effin' prick, Aubrey was. Go sell your "sympathy for Aubrey" somewhere else.
November 10, 2009 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe MJ Rosenberg was hogging too much space?
November 10, 2009 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, we were sacrificed for teabaggers.
November 10, 2009 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Tom DeLay dance videos.
November 10, 2009 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
TPM = Teabagger Points Memo.
November 10, 2009 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now ya got me cryin' laughin'. Might have to make a trip to the Pope-a-potty.
You, too, nebton. What's a nebton, by the by?
November 10, 2009 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's a nebton?
About 3 bricks short of a ton.
November 10, 2009 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does that mean Josh prefers teabagers instead of us?
November 11, 2009 6:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I blame the swine flu.
November 10, 2009 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I flame the blind Sue.
November 10, 2009 5:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quit dissin' the pigs, 3 bricks!
November 10, 2009 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is kind of true. If you didn't know that reader blogs were on here beforehand, there's a lot of luck involved for the layperson to stumble upon them.
The Cafe in general is practically another TPM blog like TPMDC and Muckraker, with Rosenberg and company's sponsored blogs dominating the real estate.
November 10, 2009 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the reader posts disappeared off the front page of TPM because some of them weren't political in nature. Seems to me there was a brouhaha about putting stuff on the front page that would make sense to no one except regulars.
I would like to see this come back, maybe as a "cafe choice" where bloggers could pick a few items a day as most politically relevant (as opposed to entertaining or challenging to regulars) and have those posted. What do you guys think?
November 10, 2009 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we are in rats' alley, where the dead men lost their bones.
November 10, 2009 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
There use to be multiple tabs to select on the front page once upon a time. I use to practically live on the Warren Reports - it has some really good posts to read.
November 11, 2009 6:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why do you guys play up to Jacob's paranoia. It's not persecution if someone's out to get him, it's just good taste.
November 10, 2009 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
What paranoia? He is discussing the Recommended Reader Posts (that'd be from any of us!) having disappeared from the front page. Plus the Cafe Guest Bloggers. Simmer down, now.
November 10, 2009 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. If we take each post as a separate entity, this one is spot on.
November 10, 2009 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know, Josh has usually ben more forthcoming about editorial changes etc, as TPM has evolved. This elimination of regularly featured in-house content from the front page without mention (did I miss something?) is pretty heavy-handed for these guys. Also, it seemed to be construed as a temporary technical glitch that seems to have morphed into permanence. I liked having this content on the front page (I've got an old 256 ram).
1. Is this a permanent change?
2. If so why? editorial or technical
3. can anyone elaborate?
peace
November 10, 2009 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you think that maybe there was a teabagger commando raid on TPM headquarters and Josh and the staff are being held prisoners?
November 11, 2009 6:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Josh has usually ben more forthcoming about editorial changes etc, as TPM has evolved.
Strange how people's interpretations can differ, seems to me you have not been using the same TPM site I have for the last few years. :-)
November 11, 2009 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps I haven't been around long enough but I recall his comments about the advertising for instance (it was memorable because it struck at the heart of what's going on not just on the blog but in journalism in general Macro and what was happening at Josh's kitchen table Micro) it wouldn't be unusual to think this tone had preceded that particular editorial issue.
Also, the 'kindle' talk/planning/sharing etc. again displayed a collaborative, entrepreneurial openness that makes unremarked upon dissappearing of content from the front page seem worthy not just of my interest (someone who's been using my own version of TPM) but of other more frequent, long-term and conventional users.
Is there a story here or not?
November 11, 2009 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Back to the original point. We Lilliputians have been very instrumental in staking the Big Boys and Girls down to earth. Now we (that is, the most recommended of us) are banished from the TPM front page. Bad decision, bad message.
Courage,
WOODY
November 10, 2009 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Want Action? Start a Movement . . .
But please, just make sure the exhaust fan's on over the loo and take your newspaper when you leave.
~OGD~
November 11, 2009 2:12 AM | Reply | Permalink