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China's Best and Brightest Laugh Down Tim Geithner


Tim Geithner's "Buy America" tour of China was always more or less a joke, but the "bankers' best friend" almost avoided getting laughed off the stage (mainly because of the legendary Chinese deference to visitors) until a student at China's top university asked Geithner about the safety of Chinese assets in the United States.

In response to a question after his speech, Mr Geithner told the student audience that "Chinese assets are very safe", drawing loud laughter from his student audience.

But how did Geithner summarize his adventures in China for American reporters?

"What I sense is a fair amount of confidence, not just in the basic underlying strength and resilience of the U.S. economy, its dynamism, but in our capacity not just to solve this crisis, get growth back on track, but to go back to living within our means," Geithner said.

Harharharhar!!!

And even while China's student elite was laughing down Geithner and his pitiful currency, the official attitude was much grimmer...

Though opinion is divided sharply over the necessity to buy more US treasury bonds, few Chinese would think that the country's vast holdings of US financial assets are secure as long as the dollar's long-term value is in doubt.

A cartoon in the same issue of China Daily is even bleaker... for us.




Snooze on, America!

You won't like what you see, when you finally wake up.




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Great info here, RR. Thanks for the cartoon!

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An interesting perspective. Students gave Sec. Rice a hard time. Geithner a hard time. And as I recall, it was a student who gave the Bush admin's delegation to one of the last world climate conferences a hard time; "lead or get out of the way" which drew a room full of applause.

Truth to power.

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Uh what? Listen, China's not going to do anything to their loans. It's not in their interest to do so.

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The dipshit who wrote this post seems gleeful at the prospect of American economic collapse. I'm assuming he's a trust fund baby who doesn't have to worry about his own financial security or that of people he cares about. Not that this misanthrope seems to care about anybody.

Baby ducks, however, are a different matter entirely.

Can we start having the opposite of a recommend for nonsense like this post?

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"Report abuse" is available. Poster is asking for it.

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I don't want him banned. I just don't understand why anyone would encourage his idiocy. My generally high regard for the commenters here is being sorely tested.

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Tsk. Doctored the quote.

In response to a question after his speech, Mr Geithner told the student audience that "Chinese assets are very safe", drawing loud laughter from his student audience - a reflection of scepticism among many Chinese about the wisdom of building up large foreign reserves.

Hmmm, and you seem to have been a tad selective in your quotation of the China Daily editorial as well:

Though opinion is divided sharply over the necessity to buy more US treasury bonds, few Chinese would think that the country's vast holdings of US financial assets are secure as long as the dollar's long-term value is in doubt.

US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has made use of his recent visit to Beijing to assure Chinese policymakers that Washington is committed to a strong currency as well as disciplined future spending.

Such a US pledge is very much needed for boosting Chinese confidence in the US economy and the US government's efforts to overcome the worst recession in decades. As the largest holder of US government debt, the last thing that China would like to see is the debtor trying to borrow its way out of the current crisis first and then inflating away the value of its debt.

With foreign exchange reserves of about $1.9 trillion, China has bought more than $750 billion worth of treasury securities according to US Treasury data. It is obvious that the value of these debt holdings will plunge if inflation soars or the dollar weakens drastically because of mounting budget deficits.

A global flight to safety since the global financial and economic crisis suddenly deepened last September has, for a while, enabled the US government to fund its successive massive bailouts with cheap foreign capital. But now, soaring risk appetite on hopes of recovery is damaging the appeal of both long-term US government bonds and the dollar.

There's no free lunch

Washington needs to make clear its resolve to protect the due interest of foreign creditors if it wants China and other countries to continue infusing much-needed funds through purchase of US bonds. US policymakers must understand that they cannot have it both ways - pressing China to revalue its currency while selling the country more US bonds that are bound to depreciate when the Chinese currency becomes stronger.

The very importance of both economies to each other as well as to the rest of the world demands closer cooperation between China and the US from a long-term, global perspective. To shape a smart strategy to contain the crisis and to lay the foundation for a more balanced and sustainable recovery, the two countries need to undertake drastic domestic reforms that are painful but necessary.

The message that Mr Geithner delivered during his visit is encouraging in the sense that the US government has acknowledged the concerns of foreign holders of its treasury debt.

Yet, words alone are inadequate reassurance. Decisive action to rebuild its economy alone can convince foreign creditors that the US is not expecting a free lunch to bail itself out of the crisis.

The bankruptcy of an American corporate icon such as GM looks like a compelling case of the US starting to clean up its economic act. That may be worth a vote of confidence from buyers of US treasury bonds.

Golly, looks like the Chinese are a little more upbeat about Geithner's visit and the U.S. economy than you are, after all.

So instead of purile derision and content-free warnings of imminent disaster backed up by selective quotation, the unremarkable fact that some twenty-something students behaved like know-it-all wiseasses and an editorial cartoon, how about telling us what it is you think should be done?

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Spot on! Thank you.

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The semi-pro Obamabot NC Stevie is only happy with his lips firmly locked around his Messiah's anus, and Stevie only occasionally slips his lips off their "love-nest" to lie out his own ass.

I didn't "doctor the quote," you lying jerk, and you know it.

Geithner's student audience laughed him off the stage, and that's exactly what I said.

How about telling us what it is you think should be done?

Like for the 50th time, moron?

And Dennis Kucinich's plan from way back in October 2008 is still the only honest way to deal with the meltdown...

We Had Alternatives.

Driven by fear we are moving quickly to pass a bill, which may produce a temporary uptick for the market, but nothing for millions of homeowners whose misfortunes are at the center of our economic woes. People do not have money to pay their mortgages. After this passes, they will still not have money to pay their mortgages. People will still lose their homes while Wall Street is bailed out.

The central flaw of this bill is that there are NO stronger protections for homeowners and NO changes in the language to ensure that the secretary has the authority to compel mortgage servicers to modify the terms of mortgages. And there are NO stronger regulatory changes to fix the circumstances that allowed this to happen.

We should have created a mechanism for our government to take a controlling interest in mortgage-backed securities and use our power to work out a new deal for the homeowners. We could have done this. We should have done this. But we didn't.

Now millions of Americans will face the threat of foreclosure without any help.

Now tell us a few more lies, NC Stevie, you miserable jerk!

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If you weren't merely trying to be annoying, you'd post your arguments (such as they are) where people don't agree with much of your substance (unlike here, where we mostly criticize your complete denial of the political culture in America and your tone).

Last time I checked, Kucinich was not on the ballot in November, and is generally considered a political punchline, fairly or not.

None of this explains your pissing all over this site, and your childish glee at the fact that life will get much harder for ordinary Americans before it gets better.

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Well, I'll ignore the middle school insults, but lying? That's kind of serious so let's look at the evidence.

Your version of the quote:

In response to a question after his speech, Mr Geithner told the student audience that "Chinese assets are very safe", drawing loud laughter from his student audience.

Actual quote from actual Financial Times article you linked to:

In response to a question after his speech, Mr Geithner told the student audience that "Chinese assets are very safe", drawing loud laughter from his student audience - a reflection of scepticism among many Chinese about the wisdom of building up large foreign reserves.

You truncated the part of the sentence I italicized here without including an ellipsis or other indicator to let the reader know you'd edited the sentence, added a period where none existed in the misquoted sentence, and did so for the manifest purpose of making the quote seem more supportive of your thesis than it really was.

Verb

to doctor

(third-person singular simple present doctors, present participle doctoring, simple past and past participle doctored)

. . .

5. (transitive) To alter or make obscure, as with the intention to deceive, especially a document. To doctor the signature of an instrument with intent to defraud is an example of forgery.

(Note, by the way, the use of an ellipsis in my quote from Wiktionary to indicate an omission and note too how the omission did not materially alter the meaning of the part that was quoted.)

I do, however, apologize for not going back to through all of your blogs to October, 2008 to find out that you supported Kucinich's reasons for opposing the TARP bill which back before Obama was elected which, I suppose is at least tangentially related to what you seem to be talking out here.

I will concede, however, that we clearly get under each other's skin in a way that's not ever going to be conducive to productive dialog. I can't seem to help but add some unnecessarily personal barbs to my comments to your blogs. And, well . . . it clearly doesn't bring out the best in you when I do it.

Accordingly, I'm going to be the one to back away from the fight before it goes further. I'll even admit I started it and had no business posting acerbic comments on your blogs. So now I'm now done. I'll never comment on one of your reader blogs, again. Further, I'll not be writing any blogs of my own directly responsive to one of yours other than in defense.

Inevitably, we're going to be on opposite sides when a topic provokes a number of user blogs, but I'm basically just going to ignore you from now on. Best for both of us.

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Okay, one last one, just to fix my botched html tagging on the actual FT quote as I intended to italicize it.

In response to a question after his speech, Mr Geithner told the student audience that "Chinese assets are very safe", drawing loud laughter from his student audience - a reflection of scepticism among many Chinese about the wisdom of building up large foreign reserves.

Sayonora.

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Huh? The part in italics directly supports Rutabaga's contention, except "skepticism" should have been "howling disbelief and anger". The Chinese know they're propping us up, and the author chose to downplay it. Hillary knew enough to downplay this aspect, Geithner is rubbing their noses in it. Stupid.

If you're going to parse periods, parse the words in between.

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This is the usual disinformation style found in Rutabaga's blog post. You note the artful mangling of one quotation, and copy-pasta, the context notwithstanding, of the other, but you missed another common deceitful practise this user often games with: using anchor text dishonestly portraying the linked content. Look at the text for the second citation's link, "official attitude"", yet the anchor points to an Op/Ed published by a commercial news outlet, China Daily. It doesn't claim to be a government position, nor is it published on a official PRC government website. This is akin to claiming that an editorial written by editors of the Washington Post is the US Government's Official Position.

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What is upbeat about that post? The Chinese government's main task is to avoid revolution, and if their citizens are all holding worthless paper after the great economic exercise of the last 30 years, they'll be greatly pissed. The article is written in less flamboyant style than US articles because it's Chinese government speaking through the carefully controlled press, but they're saying basically "nice words are nice, but we see a heap o' trouble comin' down the pike".

"few Chinese would think that the country's vast holdings of US financial assets are secure as long as the dollar's long-term value is in doubt". The Chinese are scared shitless we'll drop the value of the dollar and all their holdings plummet - like we've done for the last 9 years. And we're telling the Chinese, "buy more bonds, promise we won't pull the football out this time".

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I note a Chinese company bought Hummer. Hmmm...

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Hu owns Yu and Mi, plus every Wun in between.

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Cyants?

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in case you've been wondering, the email pointer you have for me should be active again, but my self-served web content is still at the very least, a few days from coming back online. I had problems with my new server hosting account's config, plus a few unforseen unrelated issues cut into the time I was planning to spend getting it switched-over and up. I had to pull the plug on my previous hosting account before I got hit for the annual fee.

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What exactly was the point of this post?

I'm not being sarcastic; I just forgot.

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D O O M

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How safe are Chinese assets here? As safe as are American children from Chinese made toys.

Meanwhile, TPM's best and brightest laugh at Jacob Freeze, er, Rutabaga Ridgepole.

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