Disappointed But Not Surprised
So the PO goes down because of a bunch of insurance company lackeys from, by and large, rural states. There ain't that many voters in these states. I really, really, hope that we see a primary.
It's not over, though. The PO is in the House bill, and there still is such a thing as a floor amendment. The most important thing now is that these senators find out that their vote has consequences.
It's not over, though. The PO is in the House bill, and there still is such a thing as a floor amendment. The most important thing now is that these senators find out that their vote has consequences.
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Yes Baucus and Conrad leading the way the democrats in the senate finance committee delivered a big FU to the people of our country today.
CBO had Rockefeller's amendment and fiscally responsible so this was purely a 'save the insurance companies' Screw the American Public vote.
Problem is Senator Harry Reid is in such a weak political state that he is pushing the 'trigger' to the option which is exactly as Speaker Pelosi says... an excuse for doing nothing.
Get Rahm out of this and get someone in there who can get us real health care reform. Rahm is a defeatest when it comes to serving the will of the people, so is Reid. Conrad and Baucus are bought and paid for.
I am pushing for Baucus to be removed as Finance Committee Chair.
September 29, 2009 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
a little bit of optimism on cable.
IT AINT OVER TIL ITS OVER
September 29, 2009 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
They haven't voted on Schumer's public option amendment yet, though, have they?
September 29, 2009 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Went down 13-10
September 30, 2009 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I believe this is a *good* sign. It probably sounds weird, but let me explain why I feel that way.
One point that often gets lost in this discussion is that Senate Democrats only need 60 votes to break the filibuster on any HCR bill. The final vote can be a simple majority. I've always thought it would be easier to get our 60 together for cloture than for the final up-or-down. This also allows people like Blanche Lincoln the political cover needed to vote "nay" on the final bill. Also, Ben Nelson has told Nebraskans that he will not vote "yea" on a bill with no Republican votes, so you'd think he's a goner, too.
However, the vote on Schumer's amendment says different, which is even better. The final margin was better than the 15-8 loss on Rockefeller's. Tom Carper and Nelson (!) were the switches. This is very promising, in my opinion. It shows that the moderate D's can come around - and Schumer, Rockefeller, et al., are even more energized to get them on board with smaller modifications to Schumer's proposal. If he can attract a milquetoast like Nelson, that's HUGE in the Senate voting calculus.
Ultimately, though, the real question on the public option lies with Obama - as it always has. If the President says he wants it, Harry & Co. will make it happen.
It is worth noting that I can't find any negative statements from Obama about the public option. The closest, I believe, was him saying several times that the public option was one way to lower HC costs for citizens. He's also said several times that single payer would make the most sense if we were starting from scratch. The obvious middle ground between "wealth care" and single payer is a strong public option, which probably appeals to him a great deal.
Obama, of course, would probably rather have frozen chocolate-covered haggis fed to him intravenously than be the final arbiter on this one. But in the end, anyone watching this particular debate closely knows that Obama's is the one voice that would make the moderates remove the fencepost from their collective butt.
One other consideration. When this (finally) goes to conference, half of the conference will be from the House. Since all of the House bills include a strong public option, it's not difficult to see that the public option will have a majority of conference participants supporting it.
Bottom line: I'm actually encouraged by today's votes. Neither of today's amendments were going to pass - but the ultimate keys are POTUS and the moderate Senate Dems. I think we're closer now to shaking those moderates loose.
September 30, 2009 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent analysis
September 30, 2009 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink