Making Pigs From Sausage
The NYT's Scott Shane's At Core of Detainee Fight: Did Methods Stop Attacks is a tantalizing slice of bait titling. The question presents us with another, more troubling philosophical question before we even get to the first word of the text: is the title's question - assuming it can possibly be answered - a legitimate one to even ask? Any direction we lean in presents us with a problem.
Of the several possible answers, none of which will satisfy anyone, the two most desired ones are yes or no (though a firm maybe is the most likely outcome). The chances of receiving any sort of clarifying shake of the head are infinitesimally small. In fact, the chances are so ludicrously small as to make the question not even worth asking. It's akin to the query, "What color is God's hair?" The question implies that there is a god and that that god has some sort of hair. All answers, from "I don't know," to "God's bald," to any particular wavelength across the visible spectrum, accepts the existence of a god with hair. If you don't believe in a god, then the question is irrelevant and, actually, one that is quite mad. But if you do believe in a god and want to take a crack at it, the fact is that your guess is as good as anyone else's. (I'd go with azure blue if I believed in a god, but only because I like azure blue.)
The use of the term methods in the Shane's question implies that there are, obviously, more than one way to skin this cat. For the sake of argument let's reduce it to a generalized two: those methods that complied with the Geneva Convention (GC) and those that didn't. Or what about this pair: those that complied with the U. S. Constitution and those that didn't. For the sake of simplification, lets just lump it into legal or illegal, which is, I know, clear as mud. But back to Mr. Shane's question. If an attack was, in fact, foiled by the acquisition of information from any sort of interrogation, one can correctly assume that either a legal or an illegal method of information withdrawal was employed. (If data was gathered in Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Djibouti, Jordan, Azerbaijan, Diego Garcia (a US naval base, not a cigar nor a relative of Zorro) or any of more than a dozen other cooperative countries that hosted black sites, then we can generally say that it was collected outside the confining bounds of any U.S. constitutional constraint. Why else would you sub your questions out to Egypt? Guantanamo Bay, the U. S. extra-judicial penal colony at the southeast end of communist Cuba, squarely falls into the "beyond GC" class. This doesn't leave many information extraction points that would unquestionably fall into the legal category. Lake Wobegon is still a candidate, but no one yet has been able to find it. I understand that Dick Cheney is a person of interest in its disappearance.)
But back to the NYT and the serious business concerning the hair of God. If we were able to somehow miraculously discover that actual attacks were thwarted through the employment of illegal interrogation methods, what should the next question be? If there is proof enough that torture effectively ensured national security would that be justification to spin it into a new law - with caveats, of course. We are, after all, a civilized bunch, are we not? And would one of those caveats be that torture could only be legally used on illegal enemy combatants? But there we go again, treading out onto that mushy ground of who, pray tell, is an illegal enemy combatant? According to Douglas Feith, the former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy in the Bush Administration, impassioned Zionist and neoconservative, people of a failed state are not afforded the protection of the Geneva Convention. That the failed state he referred to was Afghanistan and that the people whom he targeted were Muslims, were not, we can most certainly be assured, a reflection of his personal political agenda.
Another question that immediately pops to mind is "Who are we, members of a nation found on laws, to step away from those laws, if we are, in fact, who we say we are?" If there were laws and they were seriously misshapen to fit into a twisted agenda, then those who bent the laws are necessarily accountable, to some degree or other. In the Roman Catholic list of do's and don'ts there is a greased pig of a natural law clause called 'rightful appropriation,' a godly wiggle that allows a person's soul to remain unblemished while taking or taking back something that rightfully, in spirit, belongs to him or her: say the Holy Lands, late Middle Ages. (Or in my case, comic books from a local bookstore when I was eleven. I'm not sure how I got around to fuzzily claiming ownership, but jigging around a blemish can wind you through a lot of weird meanders that you never knew existed until you wanted something so badly you could taste it. Superman!) A lot of slaughter went down in those medieval messes, but that's what happens when you fiddle with the language of the law. Imagine what the newly-converted Roman Catholic Newt Gingrich would do with this one if he were ever to giddily spin in the Oval Office's big chair?But let's not try to think too much about that.
And on that note, let's try not to think too much about Pakistan either, a Non-NPT (Nuclear Proliferation Treaty) member of the nuclear club that each day spirals further into chaos as the Taliban advances on Islamabad with the generous backing of Saudi oil money that America has been so eager to provide. (It sounds like somebody's getting ready to steal more comic books.)
So, what's the rule on a failing state with nukes that shares a border with India and China, the immediate downwinders, which includes one-third of the world's population? Ask George W. that question if you can find him. Chances are he's not talking. But maybe it's a lot easier to ask Fox News to cross the Potomac and underhand that question at Dick Cheney. He seems to have given a lot more thought to these sorts of things than his former boss was ever able to give to any issue that required the consideration of a future. (Perhaps George is more Boulder Buddhist than any of us ever knew: "I live in the moment; tomorrow is too much to ask. Ooo-wahhh, Ooo-wahhh") Dick will have given that one some serious thought, you betcha. And his answer will be all about Obama coming to town. Nothing to do with him and his good buddy, DoD Don, not wanting to see the CIA succeed in dealing a crippling blow to al Qaeda at Tora Bora back in December 2001, seeing as how it would have ruined their plan to go to war with Iraq. It almost feels like Dick Cheney fed nukes to the terrorists in some sort of self-fulfilling messianic scheme. I know, this all gets pretty complicated. Too much for me to figure out. Kind of makes me want to ask easier questions.
So, what color do you think God's hair is?
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PS: I just received an email I sent to myself from my iTouch 19 days ago. The contents of the email were personal notes I'd taken as I was reading Ron Suskind's The One Percent Doctrine. I wondered where it had gotten to, then figured it was a lost lamb that had gone astray and been eaten by some digital predator. And so, I forgot all about it. Then today, miraculously, the lamb wandered back into the herd, nearly three weeks after its disappearance. It came through my Google mail with an ad for www.america.gov/persian, all the words in the ad in Arabic with the exception of the URL.
Here is the inexplicably found email (they are notes, so disregard the grammatical mistakes):
Chapter 2
p. 64: the exiled 1990s Neocons - Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith & Perle - were now at the wheel, not looking for international diplomatic consensus building, but rather using strength and might to force their will as the last and mightiest ones left on the block. The Superpower. Power is useless if left untapped, if not, at the very least, used to enforce a "national" will, one defined by the neocons. What good is it if it is not used as overarching threat.
p. 65: and then along came the non-state transnationalists, the border-ignoring terrorists. The 'transnats.'
p. 77: "Every CIA success is a DoD failure." - Rumsfeld, early 2002
p. 81: "We have come to know truths that we will never question: evil is real, and it must be opposed." - GeoW, 2002. Charles Krauthammer referred to this speech as a declaration of war against Iraq.
________
An interesting grouping of 'threat' keywords. I wonder where this one wandered while it was away, and who may have read it before it finally found its way into my inbox? Baaaaaaa. I thought those guys had gone home a few months ago.
Notes to myself:
"Take Inertia more seriously! OK. I will, I will!"
"Re-watch Werner Herzog's Every Man For Himself and God Against All.
Of the several possible answers, none of which will satisfy anyone, the two most desired ones are yes or no (though a firm maybe is the most likely outcome). The chances of receiving any sort of clarifying shake of the head are infinitesimally small. In fact, the chances are so ludicrously small as to make the question not even worth asking. It's akin to the query, "What color is God's hair?" The question implies that there is a god and that that god has some sort of hair. All answers, from "I don't know," to "God's bald," to any particular wavelength across the visible spectrum, accepts the existence of a god with hair. If you don't believe in a god, then the question is irrelevant and, actually, one that is quite mad. But if you do believe in a god and want to take a crack at it, the fact is that your guess is as good as anyone else's. (I'd go with azure blue if I believed in a god, but only because I like azure blue.)
The use of the term methods in the Shane's question implies that there are, obviously, more than one way to skin this cat. For the sake of argument let's reduce it to a generalized two: those methods that complied with the Geneva Convention (GC) and those that didn't. Or what about this pair: those that complied with the U. S. Constitution and those that didn't. For the sake of simplification, lets just lump it into legal or illegal, which is, I know, clear as mud. But back to Mr. Shane's question. If an attack was, in fact, foiled by the acquisition of information from any sort of interrogation, one can correctly assume that either a legal or an illegal method of information withdrawal was employed. (If data was gathered in Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Djibouti, Jordan, Azerbaijan, Diego Garcia (a US naval base, not a cigar nor a relative of Zorro) or any of more than a dozen other cooperative countries that hosted black sites, then we can generally say that it was collected outside the confining bounds of any U.S. constitutional constraint. Why else would you sub your questions out to Egypt? Guantanamo Bay, the U. S. extra-judicial penal colony at the southeast end of communist Cuba, squarely falls into the "beyond GC" class. This doesn't leave many information extraction points that would unquestionably fall into the legal category. Lake Wobegon is still a candidate, but no one yet has been able to find it. I understand that Dick Cheney is a person of interest in its disappearance.)
But back to the NYT and the serious business concerning the hair of God. If we were able to somehow miraculously discover that actual attacks were thwarted through the employment of illegal interrogation methods, what should the next question be? If there is proof enough that torture effectively ensured national security would that be justification to spin it into a new law - with caveats, of course. We are, after all, a civilized bunch, are we not? And would one of those caveats be that torture could only be legally used on illegal enemy combatants? But there we go again, treading out onto that mushy ground of who, pray tell, is an illegal enemy combatant? According to Douglas Feith, the former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy in the Bush Administration, impassioned Zionist and neoconservative, people of a failed state are not afforded the protection of the Geneva Convention. That the failed state he referred to was Afghanistan and that the people whom he targeted were Muslims, were not, we can most certainly be assured, a reflection of his personal political agenda.
Another question that immediately pops to mind is "Who are we, members of a nation found on laws, to step away from those laws, if we are, in fact, who we say we are?" If there were laws and they were seriously misshapen to fit into a twisted agenda, then those who bent the laws are necessarily accountable, to some degree or other. In the Roman Catholic list of do's and don'ts there is a greased pig of a natural law clause called 'rightful appropriation,' a godly wiggle that allows a person's soul to remain unblemished while taking or taking back something that rightfully, in spirit, belongs to him or her: say the Holy Lands, late Middle Ages. (Or in my case, comic books from a local bookstore when I was eleven. I'm not sure how I got around to fuzzily claiming ownership, but jigging around a blemish can wind you through a lot of weird meanders that you never knew existed until you wanted something so badly you could taste it. Superman!) A lot of slaughter went down in those medieval messes, but that's what happens when you fiddle with the language of the law. Imagine what the newly-converted Roman Catholic Newt Gingrich would do with this one if he were ever to giddily spin in the Oval Office's big chair?But let's not try to think too much about that.
And on that note, let's try not to think too much about Pakistan either, a Non-NPT (Nuclear Proliferation Treaty) member of the nuclear club that each day spirals further into chaos as the Taliban advances on Islamabad with the generous backing of Saudi oil money that America has been so eager to provide. (It sounds like somebody's getting ready to steal more comic books.)
So, what's the rule on a failing state with nukes that shares a border with India and China, the immediate downwinders, which includes one-third of the world's population? Ask George W. that question if you can find him. Chances are he's not talking. But maybe it's a lot easier to ask Fox News to cross the Potomac and underhand that question at Dick Cheney. He seems to have given a lot more thought to these sorts of things than his former boss was ever able to give to any issue that required the consideration of a future. (Perhaps George is more Boulder Buddhist than any of us ever knew: "I live in the moment; tomorrow is too much to ask. Ooo-wahhh, Ooo-wahhh") Dick will have given that one some serious thought, you betcha. And his answer will be all about Obama coming to town. Nothing to do with him and his good buddy, DoD Don, not wanting to see the CIA succeed in dealing a crippling blow to al Qaeda at Tora Bora back in December 2001, seeing as how it would have ruined their plan to go to war with Iraq. It almost feels like Dick Cheney fed nukes to the terrorists in some sort of self-fulfilling messianic scheme. I know, this all gets pretty complicated. Too much for me to figure out. Kind of makes me want to ask easier questions.
So, what color do you think God's hair is?
________
PS: I just received an email I sent to myself from my iTouch 19 days ago. The contents of the email were personal notes I'd taken as I was reading Ron Suskind's The One Percent Doctrine. I wondered where it had gotten to, then figured it was a lost lamb that had gone astray and been eaten by some digital predator. And so, I forgot all about it. Then today, miraculously, the lamb wandered back into the herd, nearly three weeks after its disappearance. It came through my Google mail with an ad for www.america.gov/persian, all the words in the ad in Arabic with the exception of the URL.
Here is the inexplicably found email (they are notes, so disregard the grammatical mistakes):
Chapter 2
p. 64: the exiled 1990s Neocons - Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith & Perle - were now at the wheel, not looking for international diplomatic consensus building, but rather using strength and might to force their will as the last and mightiest ones left on the block. The Superpower. Power is useless if left untapped, if not, at the very least, used to enforce a "national" will, one defined by the neocons. What good is it if it is not used as overarching threat.
p. 65: and then along came the non-state transnationalists, the border-ignoring terrorists. The 'transnats.'
p. 77: "Every CIA success is a DoD failure." - Rumsfeld, early 2002
p. 81: "We have come to know truths that we will never question: evil is real, and it must be opposed." - GeoW, 2002. Charles Krauthammer referred to this speech as a declaration of war against Iraq.
________
An interesting grouping of 'threat' keywords. I wonder where this one wandered while it was away, and who may have read it before it finally found its way into my inbox? Baaaaaaa. I thought those guys had gone home a few months ago.
Notes to myself:
"Take Inertia more seriously! OK. I will, I will!"
"Re-watch Werner Herzog's Every Man For Himself and God Against All.











