Our Rights On the Line - Still
The Bush years were a nightmare for the shredding of the Constitution and our legal protections. Not counting the Executive Signing Statements, a number of pieces of legislation were passed. The most publicized of these were the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism) and the changes to the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Security Act). The so-called "Patriot Act" had nothing to do with patriotism, but the naming was a brilliant public relations move. The changes to FISA - which had been confined to non-citizens and national security only, was expanded to include citizens and to allow mass tapping of communication hubs.
Many hoped that with the election of Barack Obama the protections and balance of government eroded under the Bush administration would be restored. That is clearly not happening.
Three things have happened of late which are significant in continuing the Constitutional and legal abridgements instituted under George W. Bush. Those are the continuing pursuit of U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act provisions which allow numerous types of surveillance, and covert activities of all people within the United States including: the continued indefinite detention of prisoners suspected of being terrorists (or connected to terrorists), and the continued use of Military Commissions.
Stop the Terrorists
The most recent and highly public use of the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act was the capture of four "terrorists" who were going to blow up synagogues in New York - or so the story goes. Many of the reports of the foiled terrorist plot follow a story line similar to the one found in the NY Daily News (5/22/09) "NYPD, FBI heroes honored after foiling plot to bomb Riverdale synagogues." Here is a sample to give you the flavor.
Indeed, we can all feel safer now because the FBI and local police are on the job. The abridgment of our Constitutional protections must be worth it. The terrorists were nabbed just in the nick of time before they could cause massive destruction. Let's all heave a sigh of relief.The cops and G-men who busted a gang of homegrown terrorists before they could blow up two Bronx synagogues got a big pat on the back Friday from a grateful city.
"I feel safer in the city today than ever before," Mayor Bloomberg said at a City Hall ceremony to honor the heroes. "They have prevented what could have been a terrible loss of life."
Gov. Paterson called the plot "one of the most heinous crimes that has been [planned] in this city for a long time."
And Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly called the police and FBI response "a textbook example of how a major investigation should be handled."
Except that is not quite what happened.
You see, an FBI "informant" had infiltrated the terrorist cell and tipped off authorities about what was to happen.
The actual story is somewhat more sordid than brilliant work by the FBI and NYPD. From the NY Times "In Bronx Bomb Case, Missteps Caught on Tape:"
The case is the latest in a series in New York and around the country since Sept. 11, 2001, and sounded familiar in some ways. The investigation, for instance, began with the work of a confidential informant, who portrayed himself as an agent of a Pakistani terror organization, and who became a critical member of the men's plot.
The full nature and extent of the informant's role in facilitating the plot is unknown. In other cases, defense lawyers have sought to portray these informants as engaging in entrapment, suggesting they had, in effect, provoked and fueled the actions of their clients.
The question of the reality of the threat focuses around the role of the so-called "informant" - Shahed Hussain. According to a report in the Times Online (5/24/09):
That man is now understood to have been Shahed Hussain, a former New York state motel owner who became an FBI informant in 2002 to avoid deportation to Pakistan after being arrested on fraud charges. Hussain appears to have met Cromitie at a Newburgh mosque where the plot to bomb Jewish targets was hatched.
With Hussain's help, the FBI was able to monitor every move made by Cromitie and the others. Hussain also provided the group with bogus C4 explosive and a fake Stinger missile and launcher supplied by the FBI. When the conspirators planted their dud bombs outside two Jewish targets on Wednesday night, the FBI was watching. The area was smothered with heavily armed Swat teams, the would-be bombers' exit was blocked and agents hauled them away in handcuffs.
According to Raw Story (5/21/09):
The alleged terrorists, all US citizens, were arrested Wednesday as they laid what they believed were bombs -- in fact duds supplied by undercover agents -- outside a Jewish temple in New York's Bronx neighborhood, authorities said.Now the NY Times reported some more information under the questionable title "In Bronx Bomb Case, Missteps Caught on Tape" (5/21/09). According to this report, the confidential informant showed up at the mosque but raised the suspicions of the imam and other members.
The stranger's behavior aroused the imam's suspicions. He invited other worshipers to meals, and spoke of violence and jihad, so the imam said he steered clear of him."There was just something fishy about him," Mr. Muhammad said. Members "believed he was a government agent."
Mr. Muhammad said members of his congregation told him the man he believed was the informant offered at least one of them a substantial amount of money to join his "team."
OK, so here's the short version. The FBI recruited an informant who went to entice folks into a bogus terrorist cell with friendship, gifts, and money. He then provided fake explosives and other materials from the FBI to the group while egging his "recruits" into violent action. He also facilitated the recording of virtually all activities of the group. In other words, there would have been no terrorist group without it being created by the FBI.
While this operation was started under the Bush administration, it continued and came to fruition under the Obama administration. Likely for the same reasons it was started under Bush - to promote fear but show that "intelligence" worked, and that the administration is on the job "protecting the country."
In fact, under the Bush administration we had a notable creation of hapless terrorists with the "cell" broken up in Florida - "Homegrown terrorists" arraigned in court:"
"Batiste allegedly met in December in a hotel room with someone posing as a representative of al-Qaida -- someone law enforcement officials say was actually an agent of a country friendly to the United States."
Infiltration of "suspicious" groups by police and the FBI. The provoking of violent action within those groups. We HAD laws against such activities - until the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act. Those laws came out of the actions of citizens complaining about these activities and resulted in the Church Committee investigation into COINTELPRO. This in turn led to the creation of FISA and the FISA Court. It also led to serious restrictions on the scale and type of intelligence gathering on the domestic population by police and intelligence agencies, and banned the collection of dossiers on individuals and groups engaging in legal activities.
Many of us lived through this dark time in U.S. history. That is why so many spoke out against the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act. However, like the fear of "communists" and "dissidents" in the Cold War era, fear ruled the public in largely not supporting the fight against the evisceration of our legal protection by the state. Further, the effect is the same - to silence dissenting voices.
Preventative Detention
[NOTE: TheraP has a good post with excellent discussion on this as well- "Indefinite Detention - Constitutional Concerns and a Rebuttal"]
Perhaps it is not surprisingly, nor coincidental, that the NY "terror" plot is fueling the rhetoric around closing Guantánamo, and what to do with those still being held by the United States. As presented by FOX News:
It also provided evidence to some lawmakers that closing the detention center at Guantanamo Bay or releasing any of its 240 detainees into the U.S. federal prison system would further endanger national security.
And if you aren't scared yet, let's throw in some lies:
"The initial reports that we're getting [are] that these alleged terrorists were converted to radical Islam in jails. I think we need to look at that as a problem as well if jails are going to become a breeding ground for people to convert to any kind radical Islam," Rep. Eliot Engel, (D-N.Y.) told FOX News.Yes, "initial reports" on a cell created and monitored throughout by the FBI. The fact is that at least one of the alleged terrorists is Catholic. And yes, Engle is a Democrat.
The "foiling" of the "plot" coincidentally occurred as if to frame President Obama's National Security Address on 5/21/09 at the National Archives. In this speech, Obama states that he will continue to use the (Bush) Military Commissions to try some detainees. He stated that military commissions have a long history in the U.S. - which they do. However, that history has largely been a battlefield court - and not a supplanting of the judicial system of the United States. He goes on to state how he is changing these commissions as they were restructured under the Bush Administration. However, even with restructuring, they remain an extra-judicial forum - a court outside the court system following different rules than our courts.
More troubling are those detainees who cannot be prosecuted but are perceived as a potential threat to the United States. For these detainees Obama proposes "prolonged detention" which could last into perpetuity. The words are different, but this was exactly George Bush's policy intent. Namely, to lock up folks indefinitely for actions the might take.
In our constitutional system, prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man. If and when we determine that the United States must hold individuals to keep them from carrying out an act of war, we will do so within a system that involves judicial and congressional oversight. And so going forward, my administration will work with Congress to develop an appropriate legal regime so that our efforts are consistent with our values and our Constitution.
In a later part of the speech Obama lays out how long the preemptive / preventative / prolonged detention might be:
Now, this generation faces a great test in the specter of terrorism. Unlike the Civil War or World War II, we cannot count on a surrender ceremony to bring this journey to an end. Right now, in distant training camps and in crowded cities, there are people plotting to take American lives. That will be the case a year from now, five years from now, and -- in all probability -- ten years from now.
So people who are perceived to be threats to the country can be locked up indefinitely - without a trial. Welcome to America.
I strongly encourage everyone to watch Rachel Maddow's 5/21 discussion Prolonged Detention (approximately 12 minutes long also included at the end of this post)
Where Are We At and Where Are We Going?
Our Constitutional and legal protections have been shredded over the last eight years, and apparently they will continue to remain so into the indefinite future. Neither Obama nor the Congress seem to fundamentally question what has been established. While some things are being tweaked to increase the appearance of legality and constitutionality, the threat of the abuse of power remains in force. The Republicans may spew their complaints and fears about even the "tweaks" being implemented, but in fact they are not challenging the basic perversions of law they supported under Bush.
Now, as when they were first implemented, much of the public seems to be complacent. Some would argue that the politics of fear still reign, and people are willing to give up their liberty for security. I actually believe that fear is a prod, but that most people do not think that such "extreme measures" would ever be taken against them.
Random stops and searches by police, and secret invasions of their homes and offices and cars and phones and email? "Hey I don't have anything to hide, and they wouldn't look at me anyway."
Being identified as a terrorist, supporter of terrorism, or potential threat to the United States? "I'm not Muslim or Arab," and a belief that only "bad" people get arrested; if someone is in jail / detention they must be guilty.
But what if you disagree with the powers that be? What if you go to a demonstration to stop the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan? What if you join a picket line outside of Goldman Sachs (economic terrorism if it impedes their business)? Or you give money to Greenpeace to protect the whales (supporting environmental terrorism)? Or you give money to a relief organization providing aid to refugees in Pakistan (potentially supporting terrorists)? O yeah, terrorism has become a label that covers so many activities that even checking the "wrong" book out of the library (or buying it almost anywhere with an electronic transaction) can throw flags in the massive governmental datamining projects.
Those who do question soon become aware of the possibility that they may cross some invisible line that may land them in "prolonged detention." Folks have (and do) choose to not go to a demonstration because agents are everywhere taking people's pictures. They don't join study groups because they might "get in with the wrong crowd." They don't even try to search the internet for information because that activity might be misinterpreted. In other words, people are afraid to question, much less to exercise their constitutional rights of freedom of assembly and freedom of speech. People know that there is no right to privacy.
Some will argue that I overstate the threat or people's fear. I do not believe that is true. I have had these concerns expressed to me by numerous folks. "Well, I'd go to the march, but I'm worried about all the surveillance." "I was going to do some research on x issues, but when I saw what the google search pulled up I thought it might make me look like a suspicious character."
I raised the concerns as various legislation and policies were put in place under the Bush administration. I argued then, that whether one had full faith in Bush or not the power carved would pass to the next President and the next, and the next. I argued then that placing so much control into the hands of a President would be too attractive to the various political parties for them to challenge it. These issues and infringements are not a party issue, or even a trust issue. Whether the Republicans or the Democrats hold power; whether Bush or Obama are in office; the people must push back. As massive activity by the people led to the Church Committee and boundaries being placed on the police and intelligence agencies to protect the rights of the people, so too we need to press our elected representatives to push back and restore protections to the people from the abusive use of power against the people.
Other Pertinent Resources
Paul Wolf's COINTELPRO Archive
Yet another bogus 'terror' plot
Failed New York Terror Plot Widens Debate Over Closing Guantanamo
New York "Terror Plot" Another Provacatured Set-up
FBI Blows It: Supposed Terror Plot Against NY Synagogues Is Bogus
Alleged N.Y. terrorist plotters known as regular guys
Silencing Dissent in the Name of Security
5 found guilty in Miami of trying to join in terror plot with al-Qaida
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Excellent post.
There is nothing I like about George Bush, but I disagree with your Bush-bashing especially when you freely admit that Obama is now doing exactly the same. Obviously, when it comes to terrorism there doesn't seem to be a distinction based on party ID of a President. Plus, the last thing Obama wants is to cede any ground to political opposition - that's why his policy is "I'm tough on terror, too!!".
Obviously those Democtracts who voted for FISA and Patriot Act agree that in a conflict like this you need fast and credible intelligence. Obviously this country will not change its "liberal interventionism" foreign policy which many pointed out is a key cause of terrorism.
So you're screwed either way: you contribute to spread of terrorism, then you need enhanced surveillance to prevent specific attacks against you.
May 24, 2009 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brilliant and true.
May 24, 2009 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obviously this country will not change its "liberal interventionism" foreign policy which many pointed out is a key cause of terrorism.
Ummm, there is a difference between "preemptive war" and "liberal interventionism", which I suspect you are well aware of. I'm not casting a vote in favor of either of them, but there is a difference.
May 24, 2009 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wanna join the Puppy Dog Party! Seashell as our guide! :)
May 24, 2009 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Second that! Dogs are the best people! Dogs RULE!
I will try to remember to write the real story of the invention of tennis balls.
May 24, 2009 10:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK. Here it is - "The Real Story of the Invention of Tennis Balls. Thanks to seashell and TheraP.
May 25, 2009 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am an equal opportunity "basher" as my concerns are not with either party, or who is in office, or how much I like or dislike them and their policies. I see it as my responsibility as a citizen to be a watchdog. Bush did not get a "pass" from me, nor did Clinton, and neither will Obama.
If we essentially give up the rights that purportedly characterize our form of government (right to privacy, free speech, freedom of assembly, habeas corpus, etc.) what have we saved, and how are we different from those who we define as a "threat" to "our way of life"? As we approach Memorial Day, and the public honoring of those who sacrificed their lives for our freedom, is letting those freedoms be eroded or removed appropriate?
May 24, 2009 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Appropriate or not? Good question, depends on whom you ask...
The American people, via their elected officials, voted for these bills! The American people think torture is acceptable in some circumstances.
This distinct and deep separation between the fetishized freedom and rights of people and the actual will and opinion of the people is what strikes me as odd.
May 24, 2009 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
People don't pay close attention. They're easily spun. Keep them on the treadmill with job insecurity and too easy credit and who has time to watch the news? And watching the news isn't enough. What Rowan does here is what some of us did before the Iraq War reading all the fine print we could find and we found none of it added up to diddly when it came to cause for war but you'd never ever get to that conclusion watching the Nightly News. And who but the news junkie has time to do otherwise?
You are supposed to be able to rely on your elected representatives to do the reading of the fine print, but they stopped doing that or if they do it they don't care what it says.
I live surrounded by several million German- Americans and I long wondered how Germans, people like my neighbors, ever got themselves taken in by the Nazis. I don't wonder anymore.
May 24, 2009 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the contribution bluebell.
When you add together propaganda with legal "constraints" to silence or punish dissent, and public pressure to conform to a specific thought process or action, you get a compliant populace that will evenly act in direct support.
People in the U.S. frequently point to what happened under Hitler and the compliance of the German people and say "that could never happen here." The reality is that it can happen anywhere - including here.
May 24, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
No Rowan, I'm making a different point here.
I'm saying that people are eager to reclaim "we the people" slogan. But when push comes to shove, there's an awful lot of those who assume they know better what's good for the masses.
I'm saying there is a disconnect, because nobody, regardless of their intellect, education or conscience (liberal or otherwise) can seriously claim to know what's better for "the little people" and hide behind "we the people" at the same time. It makes no sense.
Either it's "we the people" or "we the progressive vanguard of the people".
May 24, 2009 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure who you consider the "little people." Nor who you think might attempt to protect the "little peoples'" interest.
You offer a dichotomous choice of "we the people" or "we the progressive vanguard of the people". By default, this means that the conservative/ neo-conservative cloaked in an odd variant of what many Christians would shudder to name "fundamentalist Christianity" are "we the people?" How odd.
I am in several regards a "little" person - if you mean disadvantageous placement within the social system of the United States. However, I make no claim to speak for anyone other than myself.
May 24, 2009 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm talking about torture and what "we the people" think about torture - as opposed to what progressives think about torture. I'm talking about abortion and gay rights, same context.
Either you accept what "we the people" want or you insist on what the "progressives" want. My point is about when these things are not the same.
The result is that "we the people" is used selectively, and only when it helps one argument but not the other.
May 25, 2009 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, if polls are to be believed, the "progressive vanguard" is closer to "we the people's" opinion that you would seem to indicate.
Torture (not limited to the "debate" over waterboarding)
Abortion (results of various polls and various questions PollingReport.com
"Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances, or illegal in all circumstances?" (5/7/09)
Legal under any - 22%
Legal Under Certain Criteria 53%
Illegal in all 23%
(Meaning that 78% oppose a ban on abortion)
Gay Marriage
May 25, 2009 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't do justice to your post. But I would mention this, and I bet you'll agree: the lies and damage done by bushco far surpass what is currently to be laid at Obama's doorstep. I say this because apparently it is now a right-wing meme that any on the left who criticize Obama are implicitly equating Obama with bush. Thus, they are attempting to sweep away investigations and indictments via this strategy. Another very annoying straussian propaganda tactic.
Just a heads-up so you don't find yourself being "used" by the right-wing. Makes me wonder about sock puppetry....
May 24, 2009 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am not trying to say that Obama is Bush, or worse than Bush. However, it is difficult to overstate the shredding of the Constitution under the neo-cons. I personally had hope that with Obama (a Constitutional lawyer) as President, and a Democratic majority in the House and Senate, that there would be immediate moves to restore the balance of powers and the Constitutional protections that have been thrown into the trash heap. So far, I am disappointed. He has made some movement, but not nearly what I had hoped for. Instead, the Democrats and Obama have caved in, backed off, or outright ignored extremely important issues.
I see Obama running to the euphemistic "center" (as Clinton did) without the need or call to do so - he won the election and the Democrats control House and Senate. He has run towards the corporatist, "free trade" ideologues as can be seen with economic appointments and plans.
I feel that Obama needs to call on his base to help mobilize towards the vision he put out and the vision people voted for. Thus far he has not done so.
I LIKE Obama. However, he will not get a bye from me. I still have my job as a citizen to fight for the highest of our principles and I will do so.
The lies and damage done by BushCo are incredible. That is why they must be addressed. This "let's let bygones be bygones" is dangerous. In some cases, I would say that it is more than dangerous. In effect, BushCo implemented the unitary executive ideology. They engaged in activities which I would count as treasonous. They did things that I would outright classify as war crimes. Yet Obama has mobilized against even investigating what has happened. And THAT is an egregious violation of his oath - in my opinion. I have written the White House to tell him so.
None of us can control what the neo-con spin machine is going to do. The only way to counter the spin machine is with analysis, facts, and communication. We can only hold fast to our principles, and hold Obama and our elected representatives fast to theirs and their responsibilities.
I think your analyses of torture and the straussian themes that have been in play are a tremendous contribution to helping uncover the lies and mechanisms that brought us to this place - and are still being loudly trumpeted by Cheney, Gingrich, and the Republican leadership. Your contribution helps us all see through the veils of deception.
We have a long way to go to mend the damage that has been done to this country. And mending that does not even take us to a place of social justice and sanity. The corporate takeover of our governmental structure, was well on its way before Bush. Many areas of social justice issues (made worse under Bush) were not addressed. Critical issues have been left in the ditch.
There is lots of work to be done and we need lots of hands to lighten the load. I am so honored to work along side so many people with great hearts and great minds such as yourself and many others here in this corner of cyberspace. :>
May 24, 2009 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can't disagree with anything you've said. Right now I'm tapped out of things to say. What's great is that when one flags another is there to take the baton and carry it a bit further. I'm grateful to you!
May 24, 2009 7:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
The whole legislative and departmental apparatus put in place following 911 strikes me as a lot of smoke and mirrors, designed to produce a calming effect in the American electorate. We spend billions erecting walls on our borders, taking our shoes off before boarding planes, while sacrificing our constitutional rights for the illusion of security. Meanwhile, the imam of the NY mosque notes that there was something "fishy" about the operative agent in the Newburgh 4 case, leaving the cognitively challenged patsies to take the proffered rotten bait. Brilliant! Obama, predictably has found it difficult to walk away from the infringements on constitutional rights embodied by the Patriot act and FISA, probably not wanting to expose his administration to criticism on his 'stance' on security. The repeal or amendment of these two laws will have to originate in the legislature, as I can't imagine any politically savvy chief executive surrendering those powers willingly. In my opinion, the terrorists have all ready won the war on terror based on the ease with which we have all ready surrendered our freedoms. They will continue to hold the high ground in the so-called War on Terror unless and until Americans reclaim their constitutional freedoms.
May 24, 2009 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree wholeheartedly and would stress:
May 24, 2009 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
We like to talk about 'in depth' journalism in a day of cut videos and four paragraph pronouncements by cable news.
See, your discussion could serve as a foundation for one of those fine PBS documentaries.
A lot time goes into an analysis like this. Much appreciated.
May 24, 2009 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks DD and you are welcome. I (and many others here at TPM - yourself included) would not do well at soundbite journalism. 8->
May 24, 2009 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Near the end of your post, where you mention governmental data mining, I experienced a small aha moment...because just a few days before I had been to our very small library and it did cross my mind that the books I request might put me on somebody's radar. I say request because beyond children's books and Harlequin romances, the selection of reading/research material is pretty slim and right leaning so I most often have to wait up to a week for my selections to travel from the bigger libraries 50-100 away.
This bothers me, the fact that it even crossed my mind that what I read is scrutinized by the unseen, that I am now vulnerable by way of being 'protected'. It goes beyond bothersome now...now, it angers me.
It's getting close to the point where I have nothing left to lose. If I'm already on somebody's list for reading what I read, for donating to whom I donate, for hanging out with the activist rez folk via the web, or for writing leftwing op-ed pieces to the local paper, then I guess I might as well become a real pain in the neck instead of a possible one.
Count me in for the revolution.
May 24, 2009 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mt sentiments exactly Flowerchild! I do not bear intimidation well, and it certainly has no place in our so-called democracy. The theft of freedom can happen so incrementally. It is easy to write off concerns as "I am just being paranoid," but millions of other people are saying EXACTLY the same thing. Our socialization and the media encourage us to minimize and personalize our concerns about the loss of out liberties. So they erode away, are excused away, and we wake up and they are gone. Some of us say "How did we get here?" However, for the generation which came to some broader social awareness after 9/11, things have ALWAYS been this way. It is just the way things are. They have no point of comparison. "Freedom" and "liberty" shift meanings to a new standard. It is frightening to me. So yes, we all need to get angry in my opinion,
May 24, 2009 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
My Aha to you too.
Where Widdledub Wanders into a Data Mine
Without proper EGAL Protections
And Spies Blunderdick in the middle of an Eagle
Uprising Outside the Public Library…
Pleeeeeeease Flowerchild?... Will you write this one?
May 24, 2009 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your mind is a national treasure! No one could write for you! :-)
May 24, 2009 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
It takes a village to convict an idiot.
May 24, 2009 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Strato...it sounds like the muses already have tapped you for the next chapter. Go frit! :o)
May 24, 2009 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I meant:
It takes a village to raise an idiom.
May 25, 2009 12:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ooooh, are we having a revolution? Ok, I'm in! Even if if a bit tired at the moment, a revolution is not to be missed!
May 24, 2009 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay...nap first, then we revolt!
May 24, 2009 10:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Manufacturing Crime is a curious business. Yes, business. It keeps FBI budgets up, and even if the "informant" didn't get official funds to give to his "team", the stories coming out make it clear that money and other benefits did flow and were promised by the "informant".
I would expect gaps in the surveillance wherever inopportune offers were made.
As for the web closing in on us ... there can be a kind of positive feedback effect -- if we don't push back we effectively cede virtual territory which then makes the next expansion possible.
May 24, 2009 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting that you expected Obama to become President and oppose the Patriot Act when he voted for it. Obama also supported the changes to FISA in the summer of 2008 with his vote as Senator.
What led you to believe that Obama would change his stands on either of these?
May 24, 2009 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Owellian
(shudders)
May 24, 2009 9:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
(~~~~)- blanket for Bwak's shuddering
It IS Orwellian in the truest sense of the word.
I always try to use the full name of the bill (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism) to counter the false assumption it has ANYTHING to do with patriotism. I almost foam at the mouth when I see Patriot Act. It IS an acronym after all - not a word. At least people could print it as an acronym PATRIOT Act for crying out loud.
May 24, 2009 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Frankly, my dear, I didn't know that. Y have read more than the average person about it, too.
It is scary.
May 24, 2009 11:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kind of like the original code name for Iraq, Operation Iraqi Liberation, OIL.
The Bush/Cheney cabal knew what they were doing. They even had the audacity to telegraph what they were doing, just the same as Cheney is telegraphing his crimes now. By the time he gets arrested, everyone will be too numb to care. It will be very old news.
May 25, 2009 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
It seems these homegrown cases (which have a funny way of blooming at politically opportune times) have some master gardeners tending their growth. In the case this week, as in many others, the defendants are poor, down and out, sometimes with criminal backgrounds (but apolitical), and many of them have either mental disorders or appear to be on the slow side. Often they’re not the most devout Muslims, if they are Muslims at all (several have been Christian). Not exactly the profile of highly trained Al Qaeda operatives.
The common thread in these cases is the informant who takes these disparate people that apparently have no terrorist plans until the informant works them. In this case it appears Mr. Hussain enticed these guys with money just as the Florida “cell” was. Interestingly, this was a reprised role for Mr. Hussain. From the NYT:
Wow, I guess some people are unfortunately just natural magnets for terrorists needing missiles. I wish I had time to look up the timeline someone put together a couple of years ago showing the uncanny correlation between political problems or legislation granting expanded powers coming up for vote coinciding with high security alerts or uncovering of terrorist plots. Good post, Rowan.
May 24, 2009 10:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi Don,
"Coincidence" indeed. I vaguely remember seeing a timeline in relationship to legislation and campaigns. The one I remember is where the terrorist "threat level" went up and opportune moments.
May 25, 2009 12:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
I should have added this paragraph from the same NYT article about the two "stung" by the FBI and Hussain before in 2004. This is the prosecutor who put them away for fifteen years based on Hussain's testimony:
Just think of law enforcement and the justice system imprisoning people based on their "belief" that a person would commit a crime if a criminal approached them and exploited any weakness they might have. That is the definition of preventative detention and history leaves little doubt that once these kinds of powers are unleashed, they will be abused.
May 25, 2009 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink