The "moral distinction" between bondholders and derivative counterparties
This is in response to Josh's post on TMP reader MD, who took umbrage at reader RB selectively judging bondholders and derivative counterparties.
I don't know if I'd go so far as to make a "moral distinction" between bondholders and derivative counterparties. (My capacity for outrage at this point at anyone who tried to make huge amounts of money by compounding systemic risk the rest of us now have to assume is pretty much exhausted.) On the other hand, to claim, as TPM reader MD does, that "both were just playing by the rules as they were and pursuing their own financial interests" is deceptive and disingenuous. It suggests a false equivalence where a key distinction needs to be made.
First, I want to be clear about who stands indicted as "derivative counterparties". We're not concerned with holders of classic, publicly tradable derivatives - things like puts and calls that have been an essential part of western finance since the days of the
The "derivative counterparties" who are in a class of their own are holders of complex instruments such as collateralized credit-default swaps, 95 percent of whose U.S. bank trading has been conducted by the 5 largest U.S. banks.
What makes these players different from bondholders? The answer is that, far from "just playing by the rules as they were", they were happy both to evade "the rules" entirely - by purchasing product purposely designed to be exempt from the financial industry regulations that apply to vanilla credit or insurance products - and to have rules written especially for them: as Josh has pointed out, the counterparties' derivatives, unlike bonds, are now protected from the reach of bankruptcy courts thanks to rule changes passed in 2005 after extensive input from securities industry lobbyists.
In fairness to many of these counterparties, it is true many of the same institutions also own vanilla investments like high-grade corporate bonds. (Just as the same person can be both a wonderful parent and have a fatal attraction to gambling.) The moral here isn't that derivative counterparties are evil, and bondholders are angels. It's that holders of complex derivatives had no problem with laws being evaded or manipulated in their favor, and consciously participated in a dangerous game whose risks to themselves and the financial system they utterly failed to comprehend.
To pretend investing in credit default swaps was the same as buying bonds, that the players involved simply played by the rules and wanted to make money like everybody else, misses what was so damaging and reckless about the counterparties' behavior. It essentially condones the aggressive self-serving of the parties who created unregulated products, then manipulated the legislative process to insure holders of those products would receive preferential treatment in a bankruptcy, catering to their own and their clients' short-term greed without any regard for the well-being of the financial system that provided them all with a comfortable living. Remaining obtuse to this distinction, whether you call it "moral", or simply "practical", can only help encourage such dangerous manipulation in the future.
But then, on the other hand, I'm a bondholder myself. Perhaps this is simple prejudice talking.












You say you're a bondholder. Have you bought or sold credit protection? If no, why not?
March 10, 2009 7:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The distinction looks like a lack of moral compass, what distinguishes sound investment from wastrel gambling.
March 10, 2009 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup. It's like the difference between putting money in a bank - for interest. And gambling.
March 11, 2009 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just giving your earnings to a bank to invest for you isn't necessarily not gambling! That is, look at the Iceland banks who are reported to have been offering over 10% interest on supposedly secure deposits. Madoff gave those kinds of promises too.
March 12, 2009 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the other hand, to claim, as TPM reader MD does, that "both were just playing by the rules as they were and pursuing their own financial interests" is deceptive and disingenuous."
This is a defense used by conservatives all the time when things tank. My response is:
So do drug dealers and arms dealers and the scum of society. They are only pursuing their financial interests, are they not?
March 11, 2009 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point, dd.
I don't think Bernie Madoff was in it just to have something to do. I'll bet pursuit of his own financial interests might have had something to do with it, eh?
March 11, 2009 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am very curious to know where the $60B+ invested with him went. He couldn't have spent it all himself, could he? Maybe he bought stuff like islands in the Caribbean or laundered it or gave it to political causes after skimming his commission.
I don't understand how the investigators know so little about the transfers from his account. I've seen some intimations but no indication about quantity and timing. Last thing I saw suggested he'd never actually invested any of it in ordinary markets as the customer statements said. So he didn't lose it on bad market bets.
It's very weird.
March 12, 2009 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink