The Real Scandal of AIG
The real scandal of AIG isn't just that American taxpayers have so far committed $170 billion to the giant insurer because it is thought to be too big to fail -- the most money ever funneled to a single company by a government since the dawn of capitalism -- nor even that AIG's notoriously failing executives, at the very unit responsible for the catastrophic credit-default swaps at the very center of the debacle, are planning to give themselves over $100 million in bonuses. The scandal is that even at this late date, even in a new administration dedicated to doing it all differently, Americans still have so little say over what is happening with our money.
The administration is said to have been outraged when it heard of the bonus plan last week. Apparently Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner told AIG's chairman, Edward Liddy (who was installed at the insistence of the Treasury, in the first place) that the bonuses should not be paid. But it turns out that most will be paid anyway, because, according to AIG, the firm is legally obligated to pay them. The bonuses are part of employee contracts negotiated before the bailouts. And, in any event, Liddy explained, AIG needs to be able to retain talent.
AIG's arguments are absurd on their face. Had AIG gone into chapter 11 bankruptcy or been liquidated, as it would have without government aid, no bonuses would ever be paid (they would have had a lower priority under bankruptcy law that AIG's debts to other creditors); indeed, AIG's executives would have long ago been on the street. And any mention of the word "talent" in the same sentence as "AIG" or "credit default swaps" would be laughable if laughing weren't already so expensive.
This sordid story of government helplessness in the face of massive taxpayer commitments illustrates better than anything to date why the government should take over any institution that's "too big to fail" and which has cost taxpayers dearly. Such institutions are no longer within the capitalist system because they are no longer accountable to the market. To whom should they be accountable? As long as taxpayers effectively own a large portion of them, they should be accountable to the government.
But if our very own Secretary of the Treasury doesn't even learn of the bonuses until months after AIG has decided to pay them, and cannot make stick his decision that they should not be paid, AIG is not even accountable to the government. That means AIG's executives -- using $170 billion of our money, so far -- are accountable to no one.
The administration is said to have been outraged when it heard of the bonus plan last week. Apparently Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner told AIG's chairman, Edward Liddy (who was installed at the insistence of the Treasury, in the first place) that the bonuses should not be paid. But it turns out that most will be paid anyway, because, according to AIG, the firm is legally obligated to pay them. The bonuses are part of employee contracts negotiated before the bailouts. And, in any event, Liddy explained, AIG needs to be able to retain talent.
AIG's arguments are absurd on their face. Had AIG gone into chapter 11 bankruptcy or been liquidated, as it would have without government aid, no bonuses would ever be paid (they would have had a lower priority under bankruptcy law that AIG's debts to other creditors); indeed, AIG's executives would have long ago been on the street. And any mention of the word "talent" in the same sentence as "AIG" or "credit default swaps" would be laughable if laughing weren't already so expensive.
This sordid story of government helplessness in the face of massive taxpayer commitments illustrates better than anything to date why the government should take over any institution that's "too big to fail" and which has cost taxpayers dearly. Such institutions are no longer within the capitalist system because they are no longer accountable to the market. To whom should they be accountable? As long as taxpayers effectively own a large portion of them, they should be accountable to the government.
But if our very own Secretary of the Treasury doesn't even learn of the bonuses until months after AIG has decided to pay them, and cannot make stick his decision that they should not be paid, AIG is not even accountable to the government. That means AIG's executives -- using $170 billion of our money, so far -- are accountable to no one.
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That's what's so striking about this--not the bonuses themselves (what else do we expect on that score?), but the incredible apparent weakness of Geithner and the administration. How can we see this as anything other than a total failure of will on their part? The fact that they're scurrying around looking for a "legal remedy" in the face of Liddy's feeble excuses surely strikes every taxpayer as a sad joke.
March 15, 2009 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hate to break up a good populist bonfire but I do believe that Prof Reich is incorrect on 3 key points
The linchpin doesn't hold
1. More than likely the bonuses would have been paid. At best, it would be a close call.
2. Employment agreements have a high priority in bankruptcy contrary to what Reich contends
3. They aren't in bankruptcy and thus little or no chance that the contracts would be unenforceable.
Yes it sucks
But life's a bitch, then you die
Posted by JohnMcCSF
March 16, 2009 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Barney Frank implicitly affirms my analysis
There's your only realistic viable legal strategy. Fire the bastards then in settlement of their suits for wrongful termination of their written employment contracts, pay less bonus than otherwise or maybe no loss of future income.
Not a very smart legal strategy. But the best Geithner or Frank can do to sate the mob's thirst for blood and Barney and all the rest on Capitol Hill and Liddy and Geithner know it.
Sorry Dr. Reich
March 16, 2009 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Huh? Why can't they just not pay the contracts under whatever legal theory they want, and take it to court? I'd rather pay 10x the total bonus anount simply fighting on principle against paying.
March 16, 2009 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am not sure I understand. Take WHAT to court?
Apparently the money has already been paid out.
March 16, 2009 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it's been paid, then publish the names of every one of these people who took a bonus for ripping off the taxpayer!
March 16, 2009 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh absolutely
Not only that, send in the Justice Dept to investigate the facts and circumstances of each payment
March 16, 2009 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those brokers were paid to write paper, not make a profit from that paper. The paper was just for the purpose of reselling to international suckers who thought all American mortgages were as good as history suggested. By instructing their brokers to write anything they could, without verifying repayment potential, the original CEO's essentially changed that history.
So the final mortgage owners were the REAL targets of these scams, and the homeowners were just tools to get that Chinese, Arab and Japanese money (Russian, too maybe, that list seems to have one consistency: they were almost all foreign.)
If an economic novice like myself can see this so clearly, surely the SEC was winking and nodding at all of it.
This was not some sort of big screw-up on the part of the original perpetrators, it started very deliberately as probably the biggest organized scam in the history of capitalism.
But it turned into an economic meltdown when the payments all ballooned and the value of real estate plunged. Many of these loans were already "125%" loans, ostensibly anticipating continued rising home values. So when those values dropped, it pulled the rug out from under the whole scam.
But by then those ballooning mortgages had all been sold in big packages, which must be hard to verify for value.
The really guilty parties who made it happen did not suffer like the homeowners or the final mortgage owners, and those same people are now raking in even more from our bailout tax money.
Not only did the get "theirs" in the first place, it seems they will get it in the end, too.
March 16, 2009 9:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
"the biggest organized scam in the history of capitalism."
Maybe second to the Iraq War, but a close second...
March 16, 2009 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or retroactively restructure the contracts to include performance metrics tied to solvency or another measure of company performance.
March 16, 2009 1:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
That can only be done if the problem party to the contract is a "socialist" (read: unions/union members). You don't hear of any unions getting bonuses or being bailed out, do you?
Capitalists, on the other hand, are, because capitalists, exempt from reason and responsibility. Though pretending to be law-abiding, they tell the system of laws -- gov't -- to fuck off. On "legal" grounds -- those grounds based driectly upon the Constitution/system of laws.
March 16, 2009 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Uh, There is another remedy, The government could take them to court for Fraud. If convicted of criminal acts, the can be fire and fined.
March 16, 2009 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Give them their bonuses in the form of the toxic assets they sold and which AIG is sitting on.
March 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or AIG stock, whichever is worth less!
March 16, 2009 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
hear hear
March 16, 2009 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Boy did you miss the point. You actually think that the taxpayers' representatives were faced with only two options: 1)a free handout that contains this grotesque affront--money paid out in performance bonuses to the Financial Products Division and 2) doing nothing? Geithner explicitly argued for leaving executive salaries alone at the banks that receive federal help--so that could have been otherwise too. There's nobody here looking out for the interests of those providing the capital here--a ridiculous outcome.
The problem is, we're faced with smug do-nothings who have handed out cash blindly with no structured accountability and then sit sanctimoniously, like you, bemoaning the ignorant "populist rage" that actually contemplates the notion that bonus contracts ought hardly be dictating policy at this scale.
March 16, 2009 10:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
No I get the point. I am not bemoaning the populist rage at all. I share it. I wasn't for any bailout and am opposed to nationalizations for this very reason
If you have some viable legal strategy you think Geithner's missing here, I am eager to learn what it is.
But I won't hold my breath
March 16, 2009 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
The bonus issue, the fact that we are now facing it at all, a drop in the ocean of the total payments, is merely symptomatic of a total conceptual failure. And performing reverence for some imagined sanctity of these contracts shows an odd complicity in the kind of straitjacketed thinking AIG would love to see result from their disingenuous analysis; under the circumstances, they could have leveraged a renegotiation and should have been forced to do so--but they'd love to see you handwringing on their behalf. They've taken a directly and deliberately adversarial position vs the U.S. taxpayer--and they should have been treated as a hostile partner all along. The improbable notion that Geithner is now trying his earnest best to defend us if only he could find a loophole strikes me as the last gullible imagining of how we even got to this point.
March 16, 2009 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Imagined sanctity of contract?
Really?
I give no quarter when it comes to outrage but that's because I know that there is nothing that legally can be done, short of proof of fraud, to stop the payment of the bonuses
There is nothing "imaginary" about an employment contract
The problem is that the government is bailing these people out when it should let them go bankrupt
March 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Given that bankruptcy is currently off the table your comment is impractical.
I think people should look at what good the bonuses are doing. If they aren't doing much good, the people should be canned. If they are helping a lot, then just STFU.
The "moral hazard" aspect should be viewed closely. What did AIG know a year ago which led them to offer retention bonuses? Was that influenced by Bear Stearns being given to JPM? If AIG knew what a hard road was ahead, as it would appear if they needed to offer retention bonuses, did top executives mislead the government, their own stockholders, or the public? If so, criminal complaints or SEC actions should have proceeded "yesterday".
We should ask whether Paulson and Bernanke gave away the farm in Sept. thus effectively tying the hands of those who followed. Not in the sense of "they should have let AIG fold" which might be true enough, but given that they didn't, did they screw up the bailout similarly to how Bush screwed up Iraq once he blinked and started bombing it?
March 16, 2009 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once again, missing the point. Geithner and Sommers performed their little outrage and threw up their hands and thought this would go away. But people got pissed and --lo and behold, there's suddenly the political will to stop or rescind the payments, one way or another. So you're a day behind with the helpless government argument. I notice you suddenly discovered that fraud would invalidate the contracts, which Cuomo is just now investigating; so that's a change from your initial insight--which you posted twice, it was so good-- that the contracts were solid and "life's a bitch." Progress is nice.
March 16, 2009 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's never a problem -- or argument about legal niceties -- when changing terms concern contracts intended to favor unions, or regular working stiffs.
It's only when the collars are white that the "I'm so helpless!" whine -- from those who are otherwise in all things all-powerful -- works.
Then we talk about how the malefactors/criminals have contract rights that are sacred. Now, if we could call them "socialists," perhaps those contracts wouldn't be so unassailable.
March 16, 2009 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm afraid you're correct.
If pressed legally, very little or nothing would have changed the reality.
However, it was a politically foolhardy move on the part of AIG.
They may hold the legal ground, but they have abdicated the moral ground - and that will end up biting them in the ass.
March 17, 2009 1:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Prof. Reich, I appreciate your comments as always. I'd be much happier if it were you and not Geithner in charge at Treasury.
Be that as it may, I don't think it is correct to characterize what is going on as a "sordid story of government helplessness." I think it is incompetence and gutlessness.
What would be so difficult about it if the Secretary of the Treasury made clear to the guys in charge at AIG that if they don't find a way to convince each and every one of the people who have their hand out for a bonus that they should voluntarily refuse said bonus? Why is it so very impossible for our Secretary of the Treasury to stand up and act like he's, oh I don't know, Secretary of the Treasury? He should be telling them to stick their friggin contracts up their asses. Instead of sounding like people way out of their league our government spokesmen should be reminding each and every one of the thieves at AIG of the old adage lawyers are so very fond of: "contracts are made to be broken."
Break the God Damned contracts if need be but do not hand over anymore of the taxpayers' dollars to a bunch of thieves!
It is maddening and not at all a tale of helplessness. It is a tale of an industry that has for far too long been telling the government what to do and now that it is broke both the industry and the government refuse to accept their new and reversed positions. Our government leaders like Gaithner see their job as servicing these swine instead of hanging them as they should. It is time for heads to roll and contacts to be broken and indictments to be issued in all this.
March 15, 2009 9:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
oleeb, I honestly think your adjectives and the professor's adjectives are describing pretty much the same thing. You're a "prophet" and he's a "professor" - so you say it with different words. But I'm hearing the very same tune.
With which I agree wholeheartedly by the way. Whichever version - his or yours.
It's a travesty and it's gone beyond disgusting that we, the taxpayers, the "owners" of this govt, the voters, are being outmaneuvered by corporate "bad citizens" - who, if they were citizens, should be in jail by now for stealing so much of our money!
I read in my NY Times this morning that the Obama folks are "bracing for a backlash" due to citizen anger at banks and financial companies and ultimately the govt - as well they should be!
I'm worn out from all the bad news. And more than anything these bonuses stick in my craw!
March 16, 2009 8:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
I appreciate your comment.
I think it's important for two things to happen. First, that we correctly label incompetence because it helps to locate the problem individuals such as Geithner who I believe was a bad choice to start with and is waaaaaaay out of his league. Second, it is to demand that the government take charge instead of maintaining the position of servicing these interests as they have become accustomed to doing. That is a major part of the problem here. There's simply no excuse for the government to lie down and rollover when the AIG guy says "we have contractual obligations we are required to meet." Screw em!
Let those creeps sue and then we'll see how much a jury awards those thieves. But the truth is they'll be thankful not to be wearing black and white stripes. I don't think a single one of them would sue if the bonuses they don't deserve are not paid. But it would take some balls for Geithner to walk in and do that but frankly, I don't think he has any.
March 16, 2009 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. There is no excuse for accepting their "terms" - when it's no more than extortion! They committed fraud and now they want to extort a "bonus"! Crimes on top of crimes, in my view! Do you think it was simple incompetence? I think these financiers are criminals! white collar crime
March 16, 2009 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait! Yes, govt incompetence. But corporate crime!
March 16, 2009 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yepper!
You know what also gets my goat and I'm sure that of many, many others? If you bankrupted a company don't you think you might be fired? It's like paying a bonus to the guy who sinks the Titanic. How utterly stupid!
March 16, 2009 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are executives at AIG who are outraged about the bonuses. Christ, those bonuses were given to the fuckups. Gee, maybe the contracts contain requirements that the bonuses are contingent upon the recipient not fucking up!?
Still, I think the best approach is to call the fuckups "socialists," then take the bonuses from them. We all know that no one's bound to respect a contract with a "socialist".
March 16, 2009 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no idea how I missed this post but I am glad I found it now. This - "Our government leaders like Gaithner see their job as servicing these swine instead of hanging them as they should. It is time for heads to roll and contacts to be broken and indictments to be issued in all this." is so right on oleeb I am tempted to stop reading and go to bed. Gaithner better get a pair before he gets out bed tomorrow - he is going to need it.
March 16, 2009 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dr. Reich I am with others when I say thank you for your thoughts.
On two other posts today (by plebians as myself) I recalled those famous words of Lenin around 1916:
WHAT IN THE F...IS GOING ON HERE?
One of my friends wondered when the peasants would show up with pitchforks. I am not as knowledgeable or as bright or as well researched as Oleeb, few are. I cannot judge the new Treasury Secretary.
I do judge that you are calling for more governmental control over this mess and I agree.
Like you said, bonuses come last in bankruptcy.
March 15, 2009 9:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
The government certainly could use its position ("you need our dollars") to negotiate more, though.
March 16, 2009 6:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes CT I would agree with that assessment.
March 16, 2009 7:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
THAT's RIGHT!
Because bonuses are salaries, employee income. They have been earned and would have to be recovered by a bankruptcy trustee on the grounds that they were a preference in fraud of creditors, even then under the bankruptcy laws no easy task.
I have read analogies to auto workers. Inapposite. No one has proposed that auto workers return wages already earned.
Life sucks
I hate to rain on everyone's p-rade around here but Geithner had no choice
The nationalization/bailout of AIG is the problem and I might add a problem that will be repeated many times over if the Obama administration bails out any other industries or nationalizes the banks!
March 16, 2009 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
bonus means "gift" - they already have salaries! Let them sue to try and extort the taxpayers! I want all their names published in the newspapers! These thieves should be outed!
March 16, 2009 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good try
Bonus is compensation for services rendered
No difference on just those facts
March 16, 2009 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read the dictionary definition. Otherwise they are using the wrong word. I call it "extortion" myself.
March 16, 2009 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bonus isn't a gift
I don't know what dictionary you are using but I do know one thing
You aren't a lawyer
I am
March 16, 2009 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Charge em with Fraud....
March 16, 2009 2:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your knowledge of contract law seems to coexist with ignorance of morality and language!
1. "something given or paid over and above what is due."
That clearly supports TheraP's point.
OTOH, "bonus" is a misnomer if there's a contract.
A sound retention contract would not over commit the employer or the employee. In addition to the $170M or so paid out, there is another $280M on the table. These people can be let go if not needed, now. If they are truly needed, then are the "bonus" amounts reasonable and proper, or are they a violation of common sense etc?
March 16, 2009 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lawyer? Really? Is your practice slow or are you billing your clients for your insightful posts here? Contracts are legally voided every day in every courthouse in the U.S. To claim otherwise is sophistry.
March 16, 2009 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's what I thought too.
March 16, 2009 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Glenn Greenwald, also a lawyer, wrote extensively on this topic and sees plenty of ways to derail these bonus payments.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/16/aig/index.html
The key paragraphs:
"As any lawyer knows, there are few things more common – or easier -- than finding legal arguments that call into question the meaning and validity of contracts. Every day, commercial courts are filled with litigations between parties to seemingly clear-cut agreements. Particularly in circumstances as extreme as these, there are a litany of arguments and legal strategies that any lawyer would immediately recognize to bestow AIG with leverage either to be able to avoid these sleazy payments or force substantial concessions."
[snip]
"Legal strategies aside, just as a business matter, one of the first steps taken by every company in severe distress is go to its creditors, explain that it cannot make the required payments, and force re-negotiations of the terms. That’s as basic as it gets. To see how that works, just look at what GM and other automakers did with their union contracts – what they were forced by the Government to do as a condition for their bailout."
Regarding the employees suing:
"In comments, EJ has an excellent suggestion as to how the Government can enable AIG not to pay these bonsues:
Couldn't Congress just give poor, well-meaning AIG immunity from lawsuits? Novel idea, huh?
That would certainly solve the problem. If Congress (with Obama's support) was willing to immunize lawbreaking telecoms from lawsuits brought by their illegally-spied-upon customers, shouldn't Congress be willing to immunize AIG from bonus-seeking lawsuits brought by their executives who helped spawn the financial crisis?"
March 17, 2009 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think John is right on this, the bonuses are usually awarded due to defined metrics being met. If they are met they usually have to be paid.
I however don't care. Let em sue. Obama should just break the contracts, exercise our warrent's then fire every one who paid these out. Make a political scene. They can take us to court and they will likely win- so what. Make em make their case. Play politics with it.
March 16, 2009 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
This "cut off nose to spite face" routine seems odd coming from you, Sal.
March 16, 2009 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sometimes you gotta play hardball. I'd rather bend a few rules than have Obama become another Carter. Or maybe Its cause I'm doing my taxes. 170 billion.
March 16, 2009 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to believe that the complaints about AIG are a distraction, whether such as you admit or in re other bonuses such as BAC/ML (Lewis/Thain) gave out.
March 16, 2009 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Huh? Lost me there. If you want my AIG argument check out the comments in SuperBowlXX's blog today.
March 16, 2009 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
March 15, 2009 10:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
They should be made to understand that all who accept a bonus this year will have their names published in every newspaper and on every blog!
March 16, 2009 8:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
And having your name published in the newspaper will make you want to turn down a $1M+ bonus????
mmmm....I dont think so...
March 16, 2009 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I bet you many will. I bet they will! It will not be good publicity for them. Not one bit!
March 16, 2009 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
That they're fuckups isn't good publicity for them.
That they are "socialists" -- now THAT would be BAD publicity, and would doubtless make them vulnerable to having their bonuses legally seized.
So let's call 'em what they are: "socialists" (even though they are obviously sociopaths).
March 16, 2009 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Call them whatever will cough up the money!
March 16, 2009 7:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look, I know I'm going to be in the minority here, but while I agree with Sec. Reich that retention is an awful argument and should be dismissed on its face, I'm not sure whether we should be so happy to dismiss the argument in regards to bonuses. The law of contracts. We are a nation that is fomented on being based on laws and contracts. Everyone has an inalienable right to contract. What did people expect when we gave money to other companies? We did it so that they could PAY THEIR BILLS and stay afloat. Clearly this was one of their bills. While it's bad optics, politics and overall disgusting behavior, we have to abide by it to the extent possible.
Blaming Tim Geithner and the administration is not the answer in this circumstance. However, that said anything legal on the table should be used. We have to remember our laws are more powerful than our emotions.
March 15, 2009 11:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rule of Contracts
It's "ok" to let the auto industry file for bankruptcy so they can renegotiate the contracts for union members retired and on the assembly line.
It's not "ok" to let AIG or banks declare bankruptcy so they don't have to pay out bonus money to the people that bankrupted them in the first place.
March 15, 2009 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see the disconnect, but they're not the same thing. As far as I know, the UAW contracts were cut GOING FORWARD. The problem with these bonuses is that they were cut in the PAST. That's the issue here. It's the retroactivity.
March 16, 2009 12:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hooey!
It's exactly the same thing.
March 16, 2009 2:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
These payments are in the future too. There is no difference here between the agreements that the UAW made and AIG made with these employees. Both are predicated on future pay/benefits for current actions.
c.
March 16, 2009 6:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good luck making the case to people who have bills to pay but can't because their money (as they view it) is going for greedy folks who want a bonus!
March 16, 2009 8:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
No, part of the deal for GM & Chrysler to get government $$$, was all of the Big 3 (Ford included even though they didn't get any $$$) had to renegotiate their labor contracts.
The UAW-Ford deal included the hourly UAW members giving up their bonuses for the duration of the contract. Also, management at Ford gave up their bonuses in 2009 & 2010 (don't know about 2011).
It disheartens me that the Obama Administration could have had the same terms. The more I get to know about Geithner, the less I like him. Seriously, he is going way out of his way to appease these corporate criminals.
March 16, 2009 8:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is not OK to sue autoworkers to recover wages paid last year
THAT's the proper analogy
March 16, 2009 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Congress should pass a law banning payments over $400,000/year to someone who works at a bailed-out corporation.
That would render that part of these contracts null-and-void.
Tim Geithner urged Congress NOT to pass any real limits on executive compensation in the Stimulus Package. Current law is his fault.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/business/economy/10bailout.html
Mr. Geithner, who will announce the broad outlines of the plan on Tuesday, successfully fought against more severe limits on executive pay for companies receiving government aid.
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March 15, 2009 11:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not necessarily. That would only ban any salaried compensation. Not the same as a bonus. Especially if they were contracted out prior. It's the retroactivity that's at issue here.
March 15, 2009 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Congress could pass a law banning both.
March 15, 2009 11:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent points, EJ.
Even after eight years of abject abuse of executive power, it is discomfiting to witness such impotence in the Executive Branch when we are faced with the threat of another Great Depression. Perhaps it's time for Secretary Geither to channel his inner Cheney and tell these bonus-hoarding shysters to go f*** themselves.
March 15, 2009 11:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Edward Liddy was appointed by Treasury to run AIG, Geithner should give him two choices: 1) Do not pay the bonuses and see what the consequences are 2) Be terminated, so that someone who will refuse to pay the bonuses can be put in his place.
Why not simply refuse to pay the bonuses? Let the best and the brightest sue. It will take years before they'll even get a hearing. Screw 'em all.
March 15, 2009 11:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly!!!
There's no need to get into some "declare the contracts void" hassle. Just don't pay the money. Put the burden on THEM to sue for it.
Hell, they probably can't even find a "jury of their peers" to hear the case!
This should be reason enough to get rid of Geithner & Summers and get some folks who aren't from the Goldman Sachs "crib" to run the Treasury.
March 16, 2009 3:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right. And for everyone who wants to sue, that's public knowledge! I'm for publishing the name of everyone who took a bonus or will take a bonus!
March 16, 2009 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
But you are confusing your morals with theirs.
March 16, 2009 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not following your reasoning here.
March 16, 2009 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
While AIG might be contractually obligated to pay the "bonuses," nothing says that the execs need to take them. Perhaps the suggestion that criminal prosecution might be on the way should there not be a refusal of the "bonuses" would clarify the right/wrong distinction in some of these guy's brains.
March 15, 2009 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Congress needs to immediately pass a 100% income tax on all bonus income received from a company receiving tarp $$$ retroactive to 2008.
March 15, 2009 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Contracts aren't this holy sacred untouchable abstract legal concept; they're agreements which courts will enforce, as distinct from the many kinds of agreements courts won't enforce. The most obvious example is one Prof. Reich mentioned: if you have a contract with someone, or some corporation, that goes bankrupt, it won't be enforced and you won't get the benefit of it, because there's a law that says so. But there are a million others. If I hire a prostitute, and we sign a six-page notarized contract in which I agree to pay her for her services, and I decide not to pay her, the courts won't enforce that contract, because it's for an illegal purpose. If my wife and I sign a contract with a surrogate mother to have our baby, and she agrees to give the baby up to us after carrying it to term but later decides she doesn't want to, the courts (in California, anyway) won't enforce the contract and force her to hand over the baby, because the California Supreme Court has decided that that's contrary to public policy. If an employee signs a contract to work for an employer for 75 hours a week for $1.50 an hour, the courts won't enforce that contract because there are overtime and minimum-wage laws that say so.
The idea that the government is just helpless, utterly powerless to get past these holy sacred contracts is just balderdash. Ultimately, the government is run by the same rich bastards who got us into this mess in the first place, and they're not going to deprive their golf buddies of that new yacht just because us little people are having a hissy fit. That's all that's really happening here. The contracts are just a little bit of meaningless Legalese razzle-dazzle.
March 15, 2009 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I plead ignorance as to whether AIG should be let to go bankrupt - but I do think it might be true that without ACTUALLY going bankrupt - they can't abrogate these contracts.
I do like the idea of essentially getting the recipients to 'voluntarily' forgo their bonuses or AIG WILL be allowed to go bankrupt.
March 16, 2009 1:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is clearly nothing wrong with conditioning receipt of goverment money on rescinding these bonus contracts.
If the AIG thieves don't like not getting their bonuses, maybe they'd prefer being unemployed in a world where Credit Default Swap Expert has about the same cachet as Child molester.
The goverment can always pay the third partiest directly. Fuck AIG.
March 16, 2009 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
AMEN -- and thank you, LegalCat.
March 16, 2009 1:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Absent fraud or an avoidable preference in bankruptcy, you have no case
It's great to analogize but for crissakes people know what you are talking about!
A contract for drugs or prostitution is void ab intio....can't be enforced but if you've PAID the prostitute, you can't sue to recover either, same reason
The chances of prevailing in a bankruptcy court are slim.
Outside of bankruptcy - none
March 16, 2009 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right on the money, as usual, Robert. I think something that Kevin Phillips said the other day on Huffington Post was also quite germane: "Before Bernanke went to the Fed in 2006, for Pete's sake, he was chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers under George W. Bush. Imagine if FDR had retained Herbert Hoover's chief economic adviser and loyal Republican Fed Chairman in 1933."
As far as Geithner is concerned, he played a key role in initiating the bailouts of Fall 2008, working closely with the Bush administration. So with Bernanke heading the Federal Reserve and Geithner as Sec. of Treasury, we have two men who were key factors in developing the disastrous polices from 1999 to 2008. This does not seem like real change. Unless President Obama changes course pretty quickly, he's going to be led off the cliff by his own economic advisors.
March 15, 2009 11:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed: "This does not seem like real change. "
Is Obama being too trusting of the wrong advisers? Or, by contrast, do we just not know enough about the details and Obama is doing a less than excellent job of conveying the situation to us?
March 16, 2009 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Over at Americablog, they made a great point.
Back when automobile firms were teetering on bankruptcy and got government $$, the contracts *they* had with workers weren't quite as etched in stone as these bonus contracts are. Indeed, members of the "fiscally responsible" GOP were quite adamant that union givebacks were needed.
Where are these voices now? I suppose givebacks are fine when the contract being thrown away is between a line worker and a car company, but when it is between a white collar millionaire and a failed securities firm, then things are different.
March 16, 2009 12:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that's the way it looks to me, too.
I do like Josh's idea of letting AIG know that Justice will be looking into their operations for evidence of fraud.
March 16, 2009 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
While I agree with Mr. Reich, I believe the events of the last five months lead to a larger question?
Who is our government?
If we have institutions "too big to fail", aren't they then inherently part of the government?
So who runs our government? Is it Wall Street? The Texas oil cartels? An amalgam of people who we do not know, but make decisions for us?
Is every President a puppet of these people?
You know, this used to be nutty, tin foil hatted people who said this kind of stuff, but think what is happening here.
We have The Treasury kowtowing to unknown money managers. We have those same people taking government money and shamelessly putting it into their own bank accounts. These people should be prosecuted, but instead are enriched while innocent people suffer.
Right now it sure seems that our government is serving Wall Street, not governing it.
March 16, 2009 12:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Great post!
March 16, 2009 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
That's exactly the situation, BusDriverMike.
This entire mess reveals that for once and for all.
Tell me again why I should bother going to work today?
March 16, 2009 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
You need the pay check?
And eventual bonus ?
March 16, 2009 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sure seems like OBAMA and GEITHNER will spread their palms out and smile sheepishly, saying "well shucks, taxpayers, there's really nothing we can do"
which makes them both powerless
and complicit in fraud
I am fucking pissed
this is not who I voted for
and Obama has done so many good things
Obama likes to take the long view but he is betraying voters if he doesn't put his fist down soon. Or maybe he doesn't represent us anymore. Or maybe he never did
March 16, 2009 12:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I shuddered when Geithner was appointed as Sec.of Treasury, knowing that this mess had to be handled. I was right. Mr. Geighner is not capable of handing that job, with the best interests of his new employer, us, in mind. The sooner he is sent to spend more time with his family the sooner this mess gets cleaned up.
My instinct, and I hope virtually every other breathing citizen of this country, was that it cannot be right for the government to hand over to a business any amount of money, with the word "billion" in it just because that business was allowed to become "too big to fail". The fact is that those businesses receiving that money had already failed. That fact should have been recognized, and the banks involved should have been treated just as the banking laws say they are to be treated - being placed in receivership. General Motors, etc. should be treated similarly.
Then the government can work on the consequences of the failures and not be subject to the extortion now going on. Most of the time the simple solution is the best solution.
March 16, 2009 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're exactly right about Geithner Hoppy. He looks like a high school kid who suddenly finds himself having to figure out the adult world overnight. He needs to go, but before he does he needs to quit giving away our money.
March 16, 2009 2:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. TheraP said: Oh, no, another one from Goldman!
March 16, 2009 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
When an enterprise becomes too big to fail, it should be broken up as a matter of public policy. "Too big to fail" is contrary to the public interest, as has been amply demonstrated over the last several months.
March 16, 2009 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
AIG is obviously gaming the system big time.
When Saddam gamed the system (oil for food) he was invaded, put on trial, convicted and hanged. AIG executives should be reminded. Obama should demand action. The US gov't could threaten to call in the $175 billion loan to AIG, payable by COB 3-16.
The wimpass running AIG who the gov't put in charge could renegotiate the bonuses or the gov't could send AIG into bankruptcy 3-17, and all bonuses go to zero dollars, and the executive 'experts' on swaps who ruined the company can be thrown out on the street, or into court and from there to jail.
March 16, 2009 12:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Folks, ya gotta understand what "too big to fail" means. When we say AIG is "big" it isn't that it's just large in size, like a huge boulder or even a super-skyscraper. It's more like a huge global beast with tentacles reaching into far and sundry corners of the world's financial structure -- so much so that no one really knows the full extent. You pull hard on a tentacle, you don't know what you're going to bring tumbling down. You let a tentacle die, you don't know what's going to have the support cut out from beneath it. That's what's meant by "big." And that's why we can't let it fail. Sure, the bonuses rankle -- giving them all that TARP money that's going to be inflated away some day while they continue to act as if they did nothing wrong REALLY rankles. But not propping up AIG right now would be SO stupid. All this tough-guy talk about kicking AIG's ass is also stupid. Obama and Co are trying to defuse a very large bomb and everyone's standing around chattering at them about "Go faster, you're not doing it right!!" Stupid, IMO.
March 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fortunately, both of our opinions will not be sought by the Obama administration. But, the thing is, AIG has already failed. Surely no one with two operable brain cells believes that the US is obligated to make good on all of those scam insurance policies, and that is what a default swap is, sold with no capital available to pay the resulting claims. If any country is responsible for this it is the UK, where the scam was conducted.
March 17, 2009 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
AIG Bonuses Demand A New Pecora Commission
March 15, 2009 (LPAC)--Popular anger over taxpayer bailouts could be tipped over the edge by the Obama Administration's unwillingness to say where the AIG bailout money went, writes Washington Post senior columnist Jim Hoagland, who is clearly alarmed by what he calls the gathering forces of radicalization and social explosion in the U.S. Citing Larry Summers' refusal to answer a question about AIG, Hoagland warns that the government needs to "get in front of what could become a destabilizing public anger," and explain what happened, or else things could get out of control.
Lyndon LaRouche's approach is more to the point: call a Pecora Commission hearing immediately to unmask the full extent the crimes involved in the efforts to bail out the British imperial system. Expose it, and change it--or face the pitchfork brigade of incensed Americans.
Hoagland's alarms came even before the news broke on Saturday night, that AIG will pay $165 million in bonuses to executives in its Financial Products division, the subsidiary whose derivatives trading bankrupted AIG. U.S. taxpayers have so far coughed up $173 billion in federal bailout funds to keep the AIG charade going. It was reported last week by ABC that AIG's Financial Products Group--the epicenter of the AIG collapse--is based in London; it was responsible for losing almost $500 billion.
These bonuses come on top of $121 million in bonuses already paid out by AIG while it sucks on the taxpayer teat.
News stories claim that Treasury Secretary Geithner allegedly objected to the bonuses, but that AIG said they were legally obligated and could not be canceled. AIG's chairman Edward Liddy said he can't retain "talented staff" (the very same staff who lost billions gambling in derivatives such as credit default swaps!) "if employees believe that their compensation is subject to continued and arbitrary adjustment by the U.S. Treasury." (Continued and arbitrary bailouts by the U.S. Treasury are apparently OK.)
When Administration spokesmen tried to defend this "legal contracts" ruse on the Sunday talk shows, a couple of the hosts pointed out, in a clear reference to auto worker unions and others, that workers are constantly being asked to give up contractually-guaranteed wage increases and benefits.
The only solution to the new dark age crisis is in going back to the most profound level of ideas embedded in our Hamiltonian American System of physical economic science, now significantly refined through the LaRouche-Riemann method! Everything else is just more of the same, though on a world wide genocidal scale, waste of time! Let the post Bretton Woods System go, it is a dead skunk which can never be revived. While you still have the liberty given of our forefathers and the free will to act, do so act within the only defensive effective means to save our nation, go with LaRouche. Oh, by the way, only LaRouche, "The Lone Economist", was right!
March 21st Webcast Invitation for the free and the brave solutions.
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/9446
March 16, 2009 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please, get back in your hole okay?
March 16, 2009 2:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
AIG is in trouble because it sold CDSs far exceeding its reserves -- it was essentially "kiting" IOUs that could never be paid. Its counterparties bought them knowing they would never be paid -- it was pure speculation (and apparently often a way to satisfy govt. regulations on their side).
It was an unregulated gambling operation on a global scale. More importantly, AIG was breaching its fiduciary duty to its bondholders and stockholders and thus presumably violating its corporate charter.
Now the taxpayers are not only expected to pay off those bets -- bets that even the parties to never really expected to be paid -- but also to fund bonuses to the con artists that dreamed up the con?
This is fraud, pure and simple. They inflated a bubble with imaginary money created through absurd levels of leverage in promises that they knew could not be kept so that they could skim real money off the top and stash it in their bank accounts.
These people are criminals, and these bonuses are the fruits of their crime.
And they're still doing it. And the Obama administration is too afraid. or too compromised, to even try to stop them.
I am completely disgusted.
March 16, 2009 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
To repeat your words:
March 16, 2009 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
I used to work for the SEC
Sounds like fraud, plain and simple....
March 16, 2009 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there really much of a difference between what AIG and Madoff did? Both sound like Ponzi Schemes to me...
March 17, 2009 12:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Pecora Commission is the name commonly used to describe the commission established on March 4, 1932, by the United States Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs to investigate the causes of the Wall Street Crash of 1929. The name refers to the fourth and final Chief Counsel to the committee, Ferdinand Pecora.
Wikipedia
Sounds like a good idea.
March 16, 2009 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Co-Sign
March 16, 2009 12:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
My father used to tell the story of a plow horse they had when he was a kid. The horse would bolt to the barn before they got the harness completely off him. They tried any number of times to break the horse of this habit. Finally, in a fit of frustration, Dad tied the horse to the windmill before removing the harness. A running jump, a sudden stop, and the horse learned to stand still until released.
AIG needs a windmill treatment. It's obvious no kinder method will break their greedy habits.
March 16, 2009 1:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
There needs to be some criminal liability here -- in fact, there might even be grounds for RICO charges.
AIG's agreement to the bailout terms, and failures of disclosure, constitute a criminal conspiracy of truly epic proportions.
March 16, 2009 1:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe I don't understand, but I thought that in a contract, party A commits to do X and in return party B commits to do Y. Now, we are told that AIG has a "contractual obligation" to pay big bucks to execs in its Financial Products division. My question is: what did the execs have to do in return? Show up for work? Eat lunch every day? Avoid starting World War III? Keep their members zipped up?
Seriously, what would a sane counterparty expect them to perform that would be worth the payment of $100,000,000+. And did they perform it?
If we are all to bear the expense of these contracts, I think we are entitled to see the complete terms.
March 16, 2009 2:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
The solution seems entirely simple to me: Tax any bonus given from a company that has received federal bailout funds at 100%, with no exemptions, deductions, etc. If you got a bonus (or whatever language AIG is using), it's going right back to the government (at least in 12 months; one shudders to consider what they might do with the $ in the meantime.)
Perfectly clear to me. What am I missing?
March 16, 2009 3:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Go AIG!!! As Zero says in 'The Producers', "Flaunt it baby, flaunt it!" I love watching the indignation of the nation at AIG's Darwinian feeding frenzy of executive excesses. I hate to reduce the obscene to the absurd, but its called 'Capitalism', with a capitol C. For those of us who are generally poor and lead simple lives, it makes little difference
March 16, 2009 7:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
I posted the following on another thread, it seems appropriate here too;
I'm beginning to really resent politicians who are aware of how pissed off the public is at these unwarranted bonuses being paid to the executives who caused this economic tsunami, using this awareness to fight to be first in front of the TV cameras to condemn and demand retribution from these cretins when all the while nothing actually happens. Its comparable to Democratic Committee chairmen like Conyers and Leahy bloviating about the Bush administration, again, while nothing comes of their hot air.
The irony is its the same politicians who at best either stood idly by while this economy was being raped or at worst helped this armaggedon along.
Fe Fi Fo Fum, I smell the stench of a demagogue
There needs to be a sign on Interstate 95 just outside D C. 'Beware of strong winds around the Capitol Building.'
March 16, 2009 8:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
The trouble we have here is the way these people are paid. I believe that the finance industry has used bonus to take the place of wages to show a better Balance Sheet (notice the first letter there-BS).
Bonus is something paid when a COMPANY does well. Would ANYONE here expect a bonus if the company you worked for lost 60 BILLION DOLLARS IN 90 DAYS?
March 16, 2009 8:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
That said, I would fall into one of two categories: The employees whose actions and decisions led to the collapse of AIG, who don't deserve bonuses; and the employees who led profitable, responsible divisions of AIG who would still be working for a profitable company but for that first set. Under these circumstances, under anything approximating capitalism, if I were an employee in the first set I would be undeserving; if I were an employee in the second set I would be disappointed. In neither case would I expect a bonus, nor would any such expectation be reasonable.
March 16, 2009 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
We must abide by the law for a corporate bonus but not for governmental torture?
I guess this is something we need to put behind us.
March 16, 2009 8:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to see these contracts. Surely there must be some wording in the contracts that ties the bonuses to performance. And surely the case can be made that the execs of AIG failed in their performance, ergo no bonus. It's unfathomable that a company would sign a contract guaranteeing huge bonuses without any requirements for job performance. There are escape clauses in virtually all contracts.
These guys are delusional.
March 16, 2009 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Definition of bonus:
March 16, 2009 8:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is extortion, not a bonus!
March 16, 2009 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you're going to quibble, please get it right.
:-)
March 16, 2009 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
;)
March 16, 2009 7:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think AIG fits the term "bankrupt" perfectly. We should force AIG to declare bankruptcy, and put them under the protection of a master. The non-profitable parts of the company can be liquidated. (No bonuses, and you lose your job too.)
The profitable part we prop up with public money.
What am I missing?
March 16, 2009 9:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
so the cat is out of the bag..
obamas weak wall street pick has been shown to be the shill that he is.
this is what will bring down the obama presidency.
there will be much more of this to follow.
if anyone thinks that the people will support obama after learning their tax money is going to these crooks while they lose their jobs and their homes you are living on another planet.
i admit i never saw how weak obama really is.
his inability to stand up to people or lobbies that want to run his administration.
but he will do to himself what the repubs cant.
i predict a 10 point drop in approval over this issue alone.
now you are going to see the dems flock to join the repugs in stopping his programs.
just watch
March 16, 2009 9:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did you once go by the name of "john"? It sure looks like it and SOUNDS like.
March 16, 2009 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
JadeZ says:
Then what makes you think what you're seeing now is real?
March 16, 2009 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think lexicon has an in.
They're in violation of their fiduciary duty to shareholders and bondholders, and have been since they knowingly started kiting checks. Last I looked, the federal government is both a bondholder and majority shareholder. What do you want to bet that the personal assets of the board of directors would nicely cover the liability arising from those bonus payments? (The we can work our way down the list of responsible employees for as much of the rest of the losses as they trousered.)
March 16, 2009 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hate to break up a good populist bonfire but I do believe that Prof Reich is correct on 2 key points
The linchpin doesn't hold
1. More than likely the bonuses would have been paid. At best, it would be a close call.
2. Employment agreements have a high priority in bankruptcy contrary to what Reich contends
3. They aren't in bankruptcy and thus little or no chance that the contracts would be unenforceable.
Yes it sucks
But life's a bitch, then you die
March 16, 2009 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
This simply illustrates the crux of the problem with the entire bailout.
As orchestrated by the Obama Administration, the very goal was to take these companies, which were so wired-into all the financial powder kegs that needed to be tended carefully and supported, and infuse money into them in order to keep them functioning as profit-making companies. Same owners, same board, same stockholders, etc.
Quite clearly, there was such fear on the part of the Administration, of: [a] interfering with America's corporate structure (note the mere presence of guys like Geithner in the WH), and; [b] having the media, the Republicans and the Blue Dogs accuse the liberal in the WH of being "socialist"... that bold, radical rescue of the nation's financial system could not be accomplished without genuflecting to the altar of profit-making capitalism.
Well, profits were had. Money was made. Bonuses were paid, for years. It's the nation that took the hit. And we're still worrying about keeping the textbook model of "capitalism" alive and strong?
As we can now see, this is what happens when that's your operative priority. Maybe President Obama wasn't aware of just how screwed we were. Maybe he was, but just didn't have the nerve to seize these outfits, one and all, merge all the operations under a resolution trust-type arrangement, and use all that money OF OURS (thank you very much), to make it all work again without blowing chunks of it on more wealth for the already-wealthy.
Maybe he thought this would be enough to "stimulate" the economy, for real. Apart from the symbolism of the Masters of the Universe receiving personal paydays from the pockets of the Foreclosed (admittedly, lousy p.r.), I think most Americans would have prefered to see these companies put to death, and the officers and the stockholders told tough beans. Obama certainly could have gotten away with that, as far as the American people were concerned (and that's where he should have spent his campaign money, to fluff up grass-roots support for such a "new" New Deal!).
Stipulated, however, he might not have survived the Washington Post, NBC/GE, and TIME magazine. And that's why he did it the other way. And that's why we're screwed.
(If it were up to me, the Administration wouldn't have tapped ANY of Obama's financial team. I would have thrown Professor Reich and Paul Krugman and Nouriel Roubini into an office building, and simply said, "Fix it by any means necessary".)
March 16, 2009 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
As I understand this, these are retention bonuses. So, if AIG refuses payment, i.e., breaks this contract, then the employees are free to leave the company. What am I missing? Or are these bonuses for staying in last year?
March 16, 2009 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the bonuses seem to be for their work up to now.
The use of the term seems to refer to the fact that AIG is going through troubles (or would be if the federal govt weren't propping it up):
From Wiki Answers
"A Retention bonus is an incentive paid to a key employee to retain them through a critical business cycle. This could be a transitional period (such as mergers and acquisitions) to ensure productivity or to meet a critical milestone. It has proven to be a very good tool in persuading employees to stay."
March 16, 2009 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem in a nutshell, at least as far as I can see, is that AIG is not bankrupt, because the federal government has kept it from going bankrupt.
However, AIG is also not owned by the federal government -- contrary to what the media keep reporting -- because when the Bush regime structured the original bailout, the government only received warrants equal to 80% of then outstanding common equity.
Warrants are like options in that they give the holder the right, but not the obligation, to purchase shares at a pre-set price. As far as I can determine, the Treasury has never exercised that right. Therefore, incredibly, AIG is still a private company, which means it can pay whatever bonuses it wants to whomever it wants.
If the feds allowed AIG to fail, the bankrupt company might or might not have to pay the bonuses (see thread, above) but it would cause chaos in the financial markets, as the company defaulted in billions in credit default swaps, causing a chain of defaults that would circle the globe.
Alternatively, the Treasury could exercise its warrants and finally take control of the company. Then it could at least fire the "best and the brightest" who created this mess. It might even be able to welsh on the bonuses, and defy the best and brightest to sue. (If I were the government, that challenge would be coupled with a thorough IRS audit of each and every sonofabitch who took me up on it. But, as Summers says, our government doesn't do that sort of thing, at least not since Richard Nixon was president.)
Unfortunately, it's also possible that breaking employment contracts could be construed as an event of default under all those credit default swap contracts, triggering demands for full payment from all the counterparties, demands which Uncle Sam would have to honor to keep the financial system from imploding. So welshing on the bonuses might be penny wise but pound foolish.
Either way, though, it's hard to justify allowing AIG to go on pretending it's a private company - except as a way of providing Obama Administration and Congress with plausible deniability for decisions that have to be made but that no politician would ever want to take direct responsibility for.
March 16, 2009 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
This may be just the cover the govt needs to take over the company!
March 16, 2009 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
The solution to this is relatively simple. Since the high priced lawyers hired by the administration are not able to figure it out, maybe they should hire some low priced lawyers?
In Bankruptcy, as has been pointed out, payments to creditors would be subject to greater scrutiny and probably would require Court approval. Large payments to insider of an insolvent company are inherently suspect.
But we don't have to force them into Bankruptcy to get this same result. Since the whole bailout is an extraordinary solution, there is no reason that the solution cannot be tailored to meet the problem. Specifically give the Secretary of the Treasury the same powers as a bankruptcy trustee in dealing with the recipients of Federal bailout money.
In fact, give him more powers. A bankruptcy trustee can recover preferential payments to insiders made within a year of the filing. Let the Secretary of the Treasury reach back ten years to claw back all of those bonuses paid in the past.
The same statute which authorizes the bailout can include this simple power.
This would give the Secretary some real leverage in dealing with these crooks.
March 16, 2009 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Amen!
March 16, 2009 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good points.
Trouble is that this can be done prospectively but nothing can be done about these bonuses.
AIG isn't part of the treas bailout...the Fed's doing this by printing money for them
March 16, 2009 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you get a Bonus?
March 16, 2009 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I believe AIG is under TARP, too.
March 16, 2009 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The US government owns 80% of the stock of AIG. Why can't the US government vote out the current board and take control of this rogue outfit?
March 16, 2009 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
As far as I know, the USG does not own "80% of the stock of AIG."
It owns warrants to purchase 80% of AIG's stock (which it hasn't exercised) and some preferred stock. New York Times 3/1/2009
Warrants and preferred stock do not give the holder rights to say what a company does.
March 16, 2009 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for that clarification Ellen.
March 16, 2009 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink