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Are Republicans Actively Trying To Get President Obama Killed?


Some parents decided to keep their children home rather than have the ids indoctrinated by President Obama. Jim Greer the head of the Florida GOP said that Obama was trying to advance a Socialist agenda. A GOP Representative from South Carolina yells out "lie" during a Obama speech on health care address to a joint session of Congress. Conservatives have been showing up at townhall  meetings and Obama speeches with weapons and wearing t-shirts with It's time to water the tree of liberty!" (a wingnut way of stating Jefferson's famous quote, "The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants.") . Michelle Bachmann talks of the need for armed rebellion from time to time and calls Obama a tyrant and Marxist. Governors Perry of Texas and Pawlenty of Minnesota talk of secession. Sarah Palin, Chuck Grassley and others talk of Death Panels in the health care bill. All of these actions have occurred with the support of GOP officials.

What is the overall goal of these maneuvers? Dan Savage says the following:  "I really do think that the Michele Bachmanns of the world and the Glenn Becks of the world are actively and consciously, or subconsciously, trying to get - I'm just going to say it, trying to get the president killed. That's why they're setting this up as kill or be killed arguments. He's going to kill your grandma, pull the plug on grandma, death panels that little children have to go in front of."

http://www.breitbart.tv/olbermann-guest-dan-savage-beck-bachmann-actively-trying-to-get-the-president-killed/

MJ Rosenberg has a TPM post wherein he details a book on a presidential assassination titled "Dark Horse: The Surprise Election and Political Murder of President James A. Garfield."  From the Rosenberg post:

 Garfield wasn't even a candidate for a President in 1880 (he was a Congressman) and went to the convention to support one of the anti-Grant candidates.

But, after 35 ballots of deadlock, the Republican convention nominated Garfield who had won it over with a spellbinding speech. The Grant people went crazy, frustrated at the lost opportunities to rob the government blind for four more years and sat on their hands in November.

Grant himself refused to acknowledge that Garfield was the nominee and then President. Even after the inauguration, he personally snubbed Garfield at every opportunity and his supporters spread word of Grant's contempt for Garfield far and wide.

The corruptionist wing of the GOP (similar to the far right crazies of today) spewed incessant hatred at Garfield. To them, he was utterly illegitimate simply because he wasn't Grant and because he refused to appoint crooks whose names they suggested for government positions. Garfield spent the first four months of his Presidency trying to defeat the Grant faction (known as the Stalwarts, meaning they were stalwart backers of Grant).

There are marked differences in the situations between Garfield and Obama. The level of political violence was much higher in Garfield's time, but as neoboho noted in a TPM post in response to a blog from Elizabeth2, "The Last Word On Race (IMO)", Obama gets 30 death threats a day - up 400% from GW Bush's average.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html

Should we take comments like the "lie" shouted out by Representative Joe Wilson, as a mere moment of passion, or a part of a larger plan in which the GOP tries to delegitimize Obama's Presidency? Are the Republicans feeding red meat to the GOP base, fomenting secession and the bearing of arms at public meetings?

If that is the goal, aren't Republicans also placing Obama's life at risk?


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I was remembering years ago I was on a Carl Jung kick and I actually read all his works. In one, I believe it was "Civilization in Transition", Jung wrote "...in 1921 every one of my German patients exhibited symptons of psychopathological disorder" (words to that effect.) Not to compare our situation with that of 1921 Germany, but it does show that social and economic stress can play out in the mental health of a broad range of individuals. I think I heard the term "sociopath" this evening on the news of the day applied to these people who are apparently freaking out. I think that term perfectly describes the kind of behavior we are witnessing. The scale is alarming.

I would think that the Republican leaderships is failing. It was a remarkable moment when John McCain told that lady that Obama wasn't an Arab - to the senator's credit. We're just not seeing that kind of responsibility now. I think that responds to your question - yes, I think the silence among Republican leaders is contributing to the threat against President Obama.

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I agree, the Republican leadership is falling into lockstep with the nuttier end of the GOP.

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But what he said, "He's not an arab; he's a good man. A family man."

He made it a kindergarten-level teaching moment rather than a college-level teaching moment.

Ah, well. But as was said about Ted Baxter in the last episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show: "When a pig flies, you don't hold it against him if he doesn't stay up in the air."

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Good point. I guess another observation would be that he implied that Arabs were not good men and didn't have families.

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That was my point. Thus a teaching moment at a 5 year-old level.

McCain seemed to think he was doing something noble, when in fact he was just pointing a dim-witted woman in a different (although not particularly less toxic) direction.

"Oh, don't worry. Even though he is a scary black dude, he is at least not one of those A-RABS. HE is a family man, unlike those scary A-RABS." (Thus my comment about it not being a college-level teaching moment.

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Isn't that funny? I mean I'm so used to hearing this discourse from the lower astral plane, that it didn't dawn on me that McCain was being childish. I mean, how else can you talk to these folks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OchTrAHmGUA

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C'ville, I remember thinking at the time that what McCain said was a little lame (given credit for at least speaking up) but I think that is just how McCain talks to everyone. Why he does, I won't venture to guess.

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I think Obama is worth more to the repubs alive than dead. He is basically the only reason they can solidify and hold rallies. Also Biden is scarier than Obama on any day. Heck, anyone is scarier than Obama on any day, even my pet rabit, but Biden is truly scary.

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Your ignorant belittlement is along the same lines as was discussed in this blog.

You might want to step back and ask yourself what it is you are preaching.

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CharlesBrown is just relating what passes for humor in the GOP.

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Go suck my socks!

The reason not to "do in" Obama is that Joe Biden, who has served our country for decades is "scary?" You are a part of the problem; not the solution. Barack Obama and Joseph Biden are our duly elected President and Vice President. No cheating from Diebold, or thugs in Florida; an honest election. Get over it.

I sincerely hope that your pet rabbit finds a worthy home.

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No. You and Bwakfat can suck on mine.

I don't get what you are complaining. If you think that I my reply is morbid then my response to you is that the WHOLE blog is morbid. Did you actually read the blog or even the heading? This is a morbid territory. You can't walk the ground without getting dirty.

Your automatic rush the defense without thinking obama-bot responses are really getting on my nerve.

I said Obama is worth more to the repubs alive than dead. I was speaking from THEIR perspective. Get it? I am not preaching anything.

I said that he is the reason they can solidify and hold rallies. I really mean this. I believe that most of the right fringe wouldn't give a damn about what ideology he backing. They just don't like the idea of a black guy being president, and they are willing to drink whatever kool-aid to take him down. The republicans see this as a rallying point. Its quite obvious. I don't think I have to clarify on this.

I said Obama is not scary at all (from THEIR perspective). Again, this should be obvious to you. Obama's bi-partisan speeches and his appearance of a nice guy make him seems like a pushover to his enemies. Bush is not a nice guy and he would have had most of the right fringe wackos at Gitmo months ago if he is a lefty. Obama is tolerating their extreme antics, and if these antics end in tragedy, Obama would not be blameless.

I said Biden is scary (from THEIR perspective). I don't think Biden would be tolerant if Obama dies. I think that Biden would do everything possible to make the right fringe suffer, including loosing the DOJ on the top republicans.

Its not a secret that Obama has been a huge disappointment to me and that you are both crazy for him. We have differences, I get it. But this is still a civil forum. Have the decency to at least be rational when replying to other people.


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I disagree, Obama has been described as a Black Christian Radical, Marxist, Muslim, Communist, socialist,etc. Obama has been compared to Hitler. I just don't see Biden facing that type of venom.

Parents kept their children out of school to being them being touched by Obama's words. Wingnuts are coming to Obama events armed. Wingnuts hate the President. Wingnuts may dislike Biden.

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Firstly, I think the right fringe's beef with Obama is mostly that he is black. Obama has been talking like a Democrat, and sometimes even a liberal, but on major issues, he is holding the centrist-right stance. Yet we still see the "uprisings" from the right fringe. The thing about hate is that it is something most people have to work up to. In right-wing politic, to make your hate viral, you have to put demonic faces on the objects of your hate, and the demons in politics are Karl Marx, Hitler, and others. The point is, the fringe are calling Obama a bunch of names, but the root cause is racism.

Secondly, I think that Biden would face this kind of venom. Its true that he has a streak of right-wing tendency. I remember him calling Obama clean for a black guy or some words to the effect. Yet, in most decent Democrats, there is a line in the sand. Shooting Obama would be crossing that line.

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Why would people teabaggers care what Democrats thought? They freely hold up signs bearing "Bury Obamacare Like Kennedy". I think they want a fight.

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They obviously want a fight. Because they believe they would win it. Because they don't fight by any rules, and a mob lynching to them is as good as a fair fight, so long as they win it.

They are incivil barely-socialized ignorant assholes who didn't manage to graduate from elementary school and are proud of it. They're the "tough guys" who don't need no education because violence is their answer to everything.

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Back off, arrogant jackass. This is reality: catch up with and accept it:

President Obama won the election by a comfortable margin. That means We the majority won the election, and you, the minority, lost the election.

Either cease the hateful, destructive attacks on the health and survival of our country, or sit your stupid ass down and shut the fuck up.

We the majority are fed up with your minority of screaming-asshole spoiled brat extremist bullies DEMANDING that either you be in charge, even when you LOSE the election, or you'll destroy everything for everybody.

Clue, loud-mouth punk: being stupid isn't smart.

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This subject makes me extraordinarily uncomfortable. Being old enough to recall the murders of our greatest leaders in the 60's the very idea makes me unsettled.

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I thought long and hard before creating the post. I think that many of us cannot believe how far the GOP has fallen. They have gone beyond being the "loyal" opposition. The GOP is supporting physical opposition.

The media is in denial. They will not confront what is unfolding. I feel powerless to make a change.

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I don't watch his public speeches live.

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When Sen Edward Kennedy and Sen Robert Byrd both became ill during the Inaugural luncheon, I have to admit that I wondered if someone had slipped poison into the event.

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If Kennedy and Byrd were to be dispatched, don't you think it would have been done years before? Talk about a wing-nut theory.

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Poisoning was on a list of possibilities. Kennedy;s brain tumor and Byrd's feeble state ranked higher.

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"I want my country back."

That says it all. The fear and resentment are so deep-seated that any means is justified to re-establish the old order. The power brokers and the greed heads will feed that paranoia any way they can. And if something happens they will hold up their hands and bemoan the fact that some crazy (probably a leftie) went after the President.

I think that the greatest threat to our stability (possibly since WWII) is from within. Obama is now the focal point for right-wing rage.

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"I want my country back."

That says it all.


Actually, that's among the least ominous things they've been saying. Shoot, everyone to the left of Joe Lieberman was saying that for the last eight years: "Dude, where's my country?"
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It isn't fear. They are too stupid to be afraid.

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To answer your question: yes.

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Corporate America and that upper one percentile have far too much to lose if Obama continues in office. They won't get their hands dirty...just continue financing the "stirring of the pot." As one could plainly note while observing the August town hall CF's there are plenty of nut-cases available to assassinate our president. Look at the number of people sacrificed for access to oil. What is the dollar value of losses that Big Pharma and the health insurance industries stand to lose if the health care reformation succeeds? Follow the money.

“whether to impeach or assassinate”

Ann Coulter

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It's the same sort of pot-stirring, from the same fringe, that evenuated in the OK City bombing.

This time Waye LaPierre made this his motto:

"The man with the gun makes the rules."

That is an escalation from back then, and has a clear intent: the far-right has always been and is fascist. That is what it wants in this country.

And note that those who are going to "take our country back" is a MINORITY. They reject majority rule, and want a one-party country. They are domestic enemy.

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That is exactly what's going on here. And although it is difficult to discuss, we must bring this topic up and call it what it is. I think we have a tendency to believe that we're "beyond history" and that we've moved past these kinds of brute force politics. But we're not. Anything could happen. Suppose we have 10%+ unemployment for the next 5 years? Protracted unemployment makes people do wacky things.

That's what the Republicans are hoping for - chaos. Just look at Pawlenty - I thought he was normal. No, he's a kook too.

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It's almost like putting it out there in the universe makes it possible...

A day does not go by that I don't consider the possibility. I was 11 when President Kennedy was assasinated. I didn't understand much more than someone killed my President, and I cried for days if not weeks...I don't know if our country would survive this time. I have a hard time imagining myself resorting to violence in retaliation, but the repubs would have an enemy for life...whatever that means.

They have nurtured the environment that makes it a possibility. Anything that happens is on them.

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I am fully in agreement with you, still...Food for thought:
Our military is permeated with proselytizers.
Our government ranks have been infected with avid neoconservatives.
Our civilian law enforcement agencies are predominately conservative and recruited from the ranks of the military.
Have you had the opportunity to view the movie "Red Dawn?" I'll resist the neocon takeover not as a patriot, but as, I guess, a terrorist.

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ROTFLMAO@ " I'll resist the neocon takeover not as a patriot, but as, I guess, a terrorist."

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Yes, without a doubt, while trying their best to maintain "plausible deniability".

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Unfortunately, I have to agree with the article that some people of this country are hoping for an Obama assination. I am over 65 years old and remember the Kennedy Bros, MLK, Medgar Evers, etc assinations. I also begin to watch this country begin to go to hell in a handbasket. I find the mood of the country very similar to what was happening then (60's) and with the advances in technology, you are able to reach more mentally unbalanced people who will buy into the hateful rhetoric. It is so hard for me, even now, to believe that people can hate so profoundly, so deeply and then I remember some of the stories of slavery, KKK, and most recently of the integration of the US and I must painfully acknowledge that there are some people in this country who are evil, almost devil spawn, with no heart or soul.

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My sense is that many in in the nutwing of the right are in some ways intentionally 'leading the horse to water' because, hey, 'they can't make 'em drink'

It's very easy to incite apparently without consequence and as long as it serves their purposes, it seems they are willing to do just about anything that they can get away with...
and they get away with 'torture, lying to congress, murder, robbing our country to line the pockets of friends, etc.'

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Well stated Synch! And sadly, oh so true!

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When I saw some of those teabaggers today, my first thought was that this country is headed for another civil war. These people are insane.

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The tone of what is going on today, in this time, is so different from the sixties protests. We are seeing things that are very close to open insurrection. Frankly, I am surprised at the republican non-response to this. In many cases their veiled statements just add fuel to the fire.

What is really amazing is this is and always has been absolutely and really about money and power and not one other thing. It is being sold as something else entirely but it is a huge lie and the persons who stand to gain have spoonfed this to the right wing knowing full well what the response would be. This is so immoral, so cynical, so unethical and so treasonous it just blows my mind what I am watching. It is a program of propaganda to create fear where there should be none at all. And you can be sure that the people who control the media and corporations that are the conduits for what the public hears and sees are very much at the center of this. I hate to say it but this is a modern day carbon copy of Germany of the 1930s. It's almost as if blacks, hispanics and asians too are the jews of the 21st century. And this is only possible because an awful lot of people just don't possess the knowledge necessary to understand and avoid this. Unfortunately, it's all but impossible to educate those persons of this at this stage. They've been thoroughly propagandized. To watch power being abused similar to the way the finacial sector has done and have congress not recognize it and appreciate the danger this poses is unbelieveable. How we can go down this road oblivious to the danger, isn't something I thought even remotely possible.

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I also remember the 50s-60s - all the killings. I don't think our country could survive it again, and I know that my generation could not. I also think we are in far greater danger now than we were then.

We were stronger, more unified at that time than we are now. In 1963, esp in the South, there was viriluent, ugly hatred .. but with rare exceptions never directed toward the President, not on the street, not this ugly. Most of America - even in the South, very much in the South - was very solid, well-behaved, sensible, and respectful of authority. You have to remember, we were coming out of the Eisenhower years and, before that, the widely-shared and justifiable pride in what we achieved during WWII.

Today ...... it's very different. Our recent past has been very shallow, divisive and very unsettling: VietNam and Iraq, Watergate, the Bushes, Cheney!!, Carter disappointment and Clinton impeachment, terrorism and 9/11, a crumbling middle class and obscenely rich upper class, and - the worst part, I think -- 100 Father Coughlins and Joe McCarthys (i.e, haters, dividers) every time you turn on the radio or TV.

The 50s and 60s may have been dull, unfair, and not so wonderful in many ways, but it was solid, we were more unified and more well-behaved than we are now. ---- AND in the biggest, ugliest clash of the time, one side, under the guidance of Martin Luther King, maintained their civility and the peacefulness under the worst of circumstances. That should never be overlooked. Ever.

We simply don't have that solid, basic American identity and sense of hope/pride that we did then. Despite it being dull, unfair and other not so wonderful things, it was a "solid" time compared to now. There is anger - too much - everywhere. Even here.

Think about it. We progressives just "won" a huge victory and have a good, intelligent, hard-working administration in the White House and control in Congress. But have you heard the vitriol, the angry impatience, the ready to give it up in disgust even here, on this relatively calm and educated liberal/progressive site?

It took most of us, certainly me, decades after 1968 to even let ourselves think with anything like deep emotion and hope about national politics. John Kerry's campaign was the first time I let myself really invest in -- and partly, perhaps largely that was out of respect for Kerry's persistence and continued belief in our system, despite living through the same time period and having directly experienced some of the worst of it.

"The Republicans" are not trying to make things worse. There ARE responsible people left in the GOP who, I know, see this and have the same concern. Unfortunately they are not the leaders who can reach these crowds. I mean - can you imagine Richard Lugar, Lamar Alexander, Orrin Hatch, the Maine Senators, Mitt Romney, Charlie Crist, etc. trying to calm a group of teabaggers who have been worked into a frenzy by Limbaugh,Coulter and Beck??

It's the HATERS - those obvious ones and Republican leaders who might make a difference but are sitting on their hands - who are either trying for dangerous chaos or simply don't care - at all - about what will logically result from their actions. (The GOP as a whole, however, can legitimately be blamed for putting one of the haters on their national ticket and for not reining her in, big time, when it became clear what she was doing.)

I don't know how one can work to bring things around now -- but, as with the civil rights period, even the "other side" can have a role in keeping things within bounds. Obama himself (who has more at risk than we do after all) knows this well, and his coolness and matter of fact, civil way of dealing with problems and people helps tremendously. (I think that's why his saying the Cambridge police acted "stupidly" had such impact: I think we are all - even his opponents - depending on him to be adult keep things calm.) We can all try to emulate that.

We can also talk to people that we meet who are on the fringe of the teabaggers, figuring that they are probably right but still not totally rejecting of calm, civil discussion.

Most of all, we can stop yelling ourselves! Not yell back at those acting is such out of control, hate-filled, and emotional fashion. Raising the temperature - even if we have every right to resentment -- is not going to help anything. And it that feels unfair, well, think how unfair it felt to John Lewis to be nearly beaten to death for simply trying to be seen as an equal citizen. He didn't give into hate and is still contributing to the system. And there were millions others who didn't give into the hate then, or - solid or not - our country might have cracked apart.

On the other side, however, to calm some of these fears ..... I focus, almost superstitiously and quite prayerfully, on the fact that Teddy Kennedy died in his own bed at the natural end of a long life. Speaking as a child of the 60's who saw his brothers fall, that simple fact proves that sometimes the foreseeable, almost guaranteed, tragedy does not occur. We can hope.

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I have been confronting the loons for over twenty years. The only language they understand is the language they speak; they reject all others.

When one nails them using their language -- but including with it fact, and substantiiation of the fact -- they get it as much as they are able, being at best functionally illiterate. At very least, it shuts them up becasue they don't know the meaning of "discussion," or "debate". They only know how to name-call and smear: label it when they do that -- and do the exact same thing back to them, in their faces. Until you do, they won't experience how others experience their abusiveness.

When they ARE made to experience it, they cannot enjoy it. They are forced back on themselves, and potentially forced to think agbout what they are doing -- and perhaps realizing the application to their behavior of the old cliche, "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

(Me? I don't see the point in attracting flies, unless it's to have an excuse to bitch about being bothered by flies.)

When in Rome: speak their language to them, with as much force as you want -- but unlike them be intelligent at the same time. That means one must be as jaw-droppingly creative at personal attack as you can -- it drops their jaws; and so long as their jaws are dropped they can't express their nonsense.

At very least they STFU because they lose even at their own tactics. And they have no other "strategy" or tactics.

All of that is based upon adherence to the "Golden Rule," which reads:

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

I assume they treat others as they want to be treated, and I oblige them.

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Tonight, my wife and I spent an hour listening to the latest rendition of Peter, Paul and Marys' "Greatest Hits." Tears rolled down our cheeks as we remembered an "ERA." Not affairs nor events...Just a time when (No matter how tumultuous) Americans could still, nonviolently, discuss their opinions. Today, I must be a traitor or a patriot...That doesn't leave much latitude for compromise. If the "powers that be" continue to focus public opinion in the direction of their choice, national mayhem could be the result. Personally, I resent Lincoln for his condoning of the taking of prisoners, but I never met a Southerner that I liked. I'm a biased asshole. We have to neuter minds like mine. We are digging a very deep hole for this country. Time to wake up.

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Beck and Limbaugh and Bachmann and Palin and the others who have encouraged their deranged followers would have to have round the clock security guards for themselves and their loved ones if something happens to Obama...guaranteed.

They are under the assumption that there aren't lefties as angry as their people....they would be wrong about that and underestimating the disgust and rage that is simmering beneath the surface.

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