On Being Old - People and Countries
One of the most important realizations of getting old is that there are some things that you just aren't going to be able to do, or do any more. This can be because of limited time, energy or health, or money. So you have to chose what you are going to attempt and what you are going to forego.
Suppose we postulate that the US has gotten "old". The present downturn may just be an "episode" of ill health, but what if we can see that we can't return to the bloom of youth even after it is over. (I claim Europe has been "old" since the end of the rapid regrowth after WWII ended as well.)
If we are willing to consider this possibility then we need to decide what are the aspects of society that we will keep and what are the ones we will give up.
I maintain that the US has turned the corner and is no longer youthful for several reasons. The original burst of youthful growth took place when the continent was mostly empty and the frontier allowed for rapid expansion of population and the continual finding of untapped resources. This provided the fuel needed for the rapid growth of the society. This period ended at the end of the 19th Century.
During the first half of the 20th Century growth was fueled by a rapid expansion of America's role in international affairs. Two world wars and the reconstruction efforts afterwards provided opportunities abroad for US investment and markets. Similarly an expansion into the areas where traditional colonialism had ceased provided markets and raw materials in less developed areas. This era ended with the turbulence of the 1960's. Since then the US has failed to impose its will on weaker foreign states using military means and has had to yield control even in areas where it was dominant before.
The decline in influence has been masked for the past several decades because of the failure of the Soviet empire. This left the US as the only dominant power in the world and enabled it to procure raw materials and finished goods at very favorable terms. In addition it has been able to force its trading partners to accept IOU's for the items obtained. In other words, just like many individuals, the country has been living on borrowed funds.
Several things have now transpired at once to throw things into disarray. First, there is the sudden rise of the Asian economies. The rapid rise in the standard of living and level of economic activity in China, India and elsewhere has increased demand for natural resources. Couple this with the doubling of the world population in the past 40 years and the pressures are unprecedented.
Second, the financial system which has been dominated by US and European banks has broken down. The source of wealth is now in the Oil States and in other areas which can provide natural resources. The US (and Europe) can no longer supply their own needs and must buy from elsewhere. With existing technology there is no suitable replacement for liquid fuels, for example.
Third, the world has now "filled up" and the prospects for expansion into areas which were underdeveloped or underpopulated no longer exists. Sure there will be many more people squeezed in over the next 50 years (the estimates are an additional three billion), but they will be forced to live in undesirable locations or under substandard conditions. Most of the growth will continue to be in huge cities of 10 million or more where many people live in slums with no services. This has been the pattern over the past two decades and there is little reason to think the trend will be reversed.
Given all of this the US will no longer be the world's only "superpower", but will be only one economic power among others. The military force that has been used explicitly or implicitly will continue to be ineffective. We can blow things up, but we can't force states to yield to our demands. Iraq and Afghanistan are only the latest failures. Having a huge military is so appealing to many interests that it may continue to be funded even though it no longer functions effectively.
If we project that the US will have to consume a proportion of world resources at rate similar to elsewhere then the economy would have to contract to about 25% of its present size. If we are willing to be more generous and assume some continuing ability to coerce trading partners, plus some industrial and economic advantages then, perhaps the economy may only shrink to half. This decline will be disguised by the changes in exchange rates and inflation, so that the nominal size of the economy in dollars may continue to grow, but people won't be able to buy as much as formerly.
So the US is now faced with some unpleasant choices. It can plan for a smaller economy or it can just let it happen. Recent attempts to pump up the economy in the face of the current downturn seem to indicate that it is the latter course of action that will be undertaken. Present steps are aimed at restoring the "good old days" as quickly as possible. Even the scare of $140 oil hasn't awakened political and social leaders to the need to restructure the economy.
What might an unplanned smaller economy look like?
The best we have to go by are examples from history. There have been many cases where empires crumbled. In every case what followed was a rise in poverty for the bulk of the population, while the wealthy used their power to maintain their wealth. When you are the only ones with money it is cheap to buy loyalty from those without, and it doesn't even cost much. The result is a rise of police power and repression of dissent. This fracturing of society into the rulers and the ruled only makes economic conditions worse and accelerates the economic decline. Slaves don't make good workers and have little incentive to improve society. In the worst cases you get civil wars and revolution.
Conservatives like to claim that this has never happened in a democracy, and it is only in states that were autocracies where such things have happened. But one can't argue by historical precedent. Just because something hasn't happened before doesn't mean it won't happen in the future. Greece and Rome collapsed and both thought they were democracies of a sort.
What might a planned smaller economy look like?
One could have a society where wealth still maintains most of its privilege, but is willing to throw enough bones at the rest of us so that they forestall revolt. This means providing for relatively full employment, health care and a secure retirement. It does not mean maintaining a level of material wealth seen by many middle class people now. The USSR followed this policy (or at least tried to) when it wasn't at war. Many jobs were pointless, but they kept the population busy and feeling like it was part of the effort. Health care and old age were also provided at some level as well. Notice that when the empire collapsed these social services were the first things to go. Even China tried to keep the population under control by providing some level of services until the recent abandonment of guaranteed services.
At a 25% level people in the US would have lifestyles similar to those in Romania or Bulgaria. That is a place to live, adequate diet, basic consumer items like a TV, and so on. There wouldn't be families with four cars for four people, or McMansions. Public transit would need to be expanded since personal vehicles would be out of the question. They would be too expensive and so would the fuel needed to operate them. In addition this would mean a retreat from the exurbs and sprawl communities and their replacement with more concentrated development so that people could get about without owning cars. In general the level of happiness or life satisfaction for those currently living in such conditions is not much different than those in the US and other wealthy western states. Whether people would maintain there current level of satisfaction during the adjustment period is another matter. In some cases of contraction (say Britain in WWII) the population was willing to put up with the decline because they felt it was for the greater good. How it is received depends upon how the sacrifice is presented.
At a 50% level the standard of living would be comparable to New Zealand. I don't think anyone could argue that people there are deprived in any substantial way.
Planning for contraction
Here are some of the steps I think could be taken to lessen the impact of economic contraction. Remember this will take place over several decades.
1. Restore urban planning so that depopulated cities are rebuilt. This means subsidizing construction of housing, transportation and, perhaps, even giving incentives to firms to relocate in such areas.
2. Increase the amount of regional and long distance mass transit. This is an opportunity for creative thinking. Light rail, monorails, MAG-LEV, electric buses and ideas not yet thought of come to mind. Tiny vehicles like the Smart cars could be leased for short trips where no other options are available. Personal auto ownership would become much rarer. The auto industry would be re-purposed to provide these new forms of transportation.
3. Increase regionalism for (light) manufacturing and agriculture. People will have to once again get used to eating and buying what is available, rather than anything from anywhere on earth. Regionalism will also allow for the return of local differences and make travel more interesting. No longer will one be able to get the same McNuggets anywhere on the planet. This will allow for personal creativity. This also means a change in diet away from the factory farming based upon corn-fed livestock and back towards more grains and vegetables. This is less resource intensive and also healthier. Industrial farming requires vast quantities of fertilizers and pesticides which come from petroleum and will also be in short supply.
4. Replace materialism with community. More time and energy will be spent on community activities. This doesn't necessarily mean everyone takes up bowling or sitting in pubs, the communities can be virtual, but it does mean that doing replaces shopping.
5. Expand social services. This means adopting more of a Scandinavian model: child care, health care, parental leave, free higher education, extended vacations, etc. All these services will require manpower, thus giving employment to those displaced from making "stuff" (or gambling at financial firms).
6. Increased focus on R&D. New discoveries are the best chance for overcoming the limitations now faced by shortages of key raw materials like fossil fuels. A viable fusion system, for example would solve the world's electricity problem. It might even allow substitution of Hydrogen for gasoline in vehicles. We don't know what types of inventions and discoveries might come along. Just look at all the change since the invention of the transistor in 1948.
7. Proper population planning. This one always gets misconstrued. People think that I'm advocating policies similar to those followed by China or the brutal eugenics ideas of racists in the 20th Century. Advanced economies already tend to have low birth rates and can transition to a steady level of population with only a slight change in incentives and family planning. Poor nations need family planning services expanded, education for women and the ability of them to become financially independent, if they wish. Empowered women do their own family planning if they have access to the needed information and resources.
8. Foster democracy. Only democratic states can get the participation of the population that is needed to make such large scale social transformations possible. Autocratic states cannot. People need to feel they are not only part of the process, but helping to design it. The desire to make a better life for one's children is one of the most powerful forces on earth. Better doesn't mean bigger. Given the opportunities and the ability to participate in the planning the people will do the right thing.
Change is inevitable, too many people, too few resources. The current downturn is an opportunity to reconsider how we want the rest of the 21st Century to look, or not.
Suppose we postulate that the US has gotten "old". The present downturn may just be an "episode" of ill health, but what if we can see that we can't return to the bloom of youth even after it is over. (I claim Europe has been "old" since the end of the rapid regrowth after WWII ended as well.)
If we are willing to consider this possibility then we need to decide what are the aspects of society that we will keep and what are the ones we will give up.
I maintain that the US has turned the corner and is no longer youthful for several reasons. The original burst of youthful growth took place when the continent was mostly empty and the frontier allowed for rapid expansion of population and the continual finding of untapped resources. This provided the fuel needed for the rapid growth of the society. This period ended at the end of the 19th Century.
During the first half of the 20th Century growth was fueled by a rapid expansion of America's role in international affairs. Two world wars and the reconstruction efforts afterwards provided opportunities abroad for US investment and markets. Similarly an expansion into the areas where traditional colonialism had ceased provided markets and raw materials in less developed areas. This era ended with the turbulence of the 1960's. Since then the US has failed to impose its will on weaker foreign states using military means and has had to yield control even in areas where it was dominant before.
The decline in influence has been masked for the past several decades because of the failure of the Soviet empire. This left the US as the only dominant power in the world and enabled it to procure raw materials and finished goods at very favorable terms. In addition it has been able to force its trading partners to accept IOU's for the items obtained. In other words, just like many individuals, the country has been living on borrowed funds.
Several things have now transpired at once to throw things into disarray. First, there is the sudden rise of the Asian economies. The rapid rise in the standard of living and level of economic activity in China, India and elsewhere has increased demand for natural resources. Couple this with the doubling of the world population in the past 40 years and the pressures are unprecedented.
Second, the financial system which has been dominated by US and European banks has broken down. The source of wealth is now in the Oil States and in other areas which can provide natural resources. The US (and Europe) can no longer supply their own needs and must buy from elsewhere. With existing technology there is no suitable replacement for liquid fuels, for example.
Third, the world has now "filled up" and the prospects for expansion into areas which were underdeveloped or underpopulated no longer exists. Sure there will be many more people squeezed in over the next 50 years (the estimates are an additional three billion), but they will be forced to live in undesirable locations or under substandard conditions. Most of the growth will continue to be in huge cities of 10 million or more where many people live in slums with no services. This has been the pattern over the past two decades and there is little reason to think the trend will be reversed.
Given all of this the US will no longer be the world's only "superpower", but will be only one economic power among others. The military force that has been used explicitly or implicitly will continue to be ineffective. We can blow things up, but we can't force states to yield to our demands. Iraq and Afghanistan are only the latest failures. Having a huge military is so appealing to many interests that it may continue to be funded even though it no longer functions effectively.
If we project that the US will have to consume a proportion of world resources at rate similar to elsewhere then the economy would have to contract to about 25% of its present size. If we are willing to be more generous and assume some continuing ability to coerce trading partners, plus some industrial and economic advantages then, perhaps the economy may only shrink to half. This decline will be disguised by the changes in exchange rates and inflation, so that the nominal size of the economy in dollars may continue to grow, but people won't be able to buy as much as formerly.
So the US is now faced with some unpleasant choices. It can plan for a smaller economy or it can just let it happen. Recent attempts to pump up the economy in the face of the current downturn seem to indicate that it is the latter course of action that will be undertaken. Present steps are aimed at restoring the "good old days" as quickly as possible. Even the scare of $140 oil hasn't awakened political and social leaders to the need to restructure the economy.
What might an unplanned smaller economy look like?
The best we have to go by are examples from history. There have been many cases where empires crumbled. In every case what followed was a rise in poverty for the bulk of the population, while the wealthy used their power to maintain their wealth. When you are the only ones with money it is cheap to buy loyalty from those without, and it doesn't even cost much. The result is a rise of police power and repression of dissent. This fracturing of society into the rulers and the ruled only makes economic conditions worse and accelerates the economic decline. Slaves don't make good workers and have little incentive to improve society. In the worst cases you get civil wars and revolution.
Conservatives like to claim that this has never happened in a democracy, and it is only in states that were autocracies where such things have happened. But one can't argue by historical precedent. Just because something hasn't happened before doesn't mean it won't happen in the future. Greece and Rome collapsed and both thought they were democracies of a sort.
What might a planned smaller economy look like?
One could have a society where wealth still maintains most of its privilege, but is willing to throw enough bones at the rest of us so that they forestall revolt. This means providing for relatively full employment, health care and a secure retirement. It does not mean maintaining a level of material wealth seen by many middle class people now. The USSR followed this policy (or at least tried to) when it wasn't at war. Many jobs were pointless, but they kept the population busy and feeling like it was part of the effort. Health care and old age were also provided at some level as well. Notice that when the empire collapsed these social services were the first things to go. Even China tried to keep the population under control by providing some level of services until the recent abandonment of guaranteed services.
At a 25% level people in the US would have lifestyles similar to those in Romania or Bulgaria. That is a place to live, adequate diet, basic consumer items like a TV, and so on. There wouldn't be families with four cars for four people, or McMansions. Public transit would need to be expanded since personal vehicles would be out of the question. They would be too expensive and so would the fuel needed to operate them. In addition this would mean a retreat from the exurbs and sprawl communities and their replacement with more concentrated development so that people could get about without owning cars. In general the level of happiness or life satisfaction for those currently living in such conditions is not much different than those in the US and other wealthy western states. Whether people would maintain there current level of satisfaction during the adjustment period is another matter. In some cases of contraction (say Britain in WWII) the population was willing to put up with the decline because they felt it was for the greater good. How it is received depends upon how the sacrifice is presented.
At a 50% level the standard of living would be comparable to New Zealand. I don't think anyone could argue that people there are deprived in any substantial way.
Planning for contraction
Here are some of the steps I think could be taken to lessen the impact of economic contraction. Remember this will take place over several decades.
1. Restore urban planning so that depopulated cities are rebuilt. This means subsidizing construction of housing, transportation and, perhaps, even giving incentives to firms to relocate in such areas.
2. Increase the amount of regional and long distance mass transit. This is an opportunity for creative thinking. Light rail, monorails, MAG-LEV, electric buses and ideas not yet thought of come to mind. Tiny vehicles like the Smart cars could be leased for short trips where no other options are available. Personal auto ownership would become much rarer. The auto industry would be re-purposed to provide these new forms of transportation.
3. Increase regionalism for (light) manufacturing and agriculture. People will have to once again get used to eating and buying what is available, rather than anything from anywhere on earth. Regionalism will also allow for the return of local differences and make travel more interesting. No longer will one be able to get the same McNuggets anywhere on the planet. This will allow for personal creativity. This also means a change in diet away from the factory farming based upon corn-fed livestock and back towards more grains and vegetables. This is less resource intensive and also healthier. Industrial farming requires vast quantities of fertilizers and pesticides which come from petroleum and will also be in short supply.
4. Replace materialism with community. More time and energy will be spent on community activities. This doesn't necessarily mean everyone takes up bowling or sitting in pubs, the communities can be virtual, but it does mean that doing replaces shopping.
5. Expand social services. This means adopting more of a Scandinavian model: child care, health care, parental leave, free higher education, extended vacations, etc. All these services will require manpower, thus giving employment to those displaced from making "stuff" (or gambling at financial firms).
6. Increased focus on R&D. New discoveries are the best chance for overcoming the limitations now faced by shortages of key raw materials like fossil fuels. A viable fusion system, for example would solve the world's electricity problem. It might even allow substitution of Hydrogen for gasoline in vehicles. We don't know what types of inventions and discoveries might come along. Just look at all the change since the invention of the transistor in 1948.
7. Proper population planning. This one always gets misconstrued. People think that I'm advocating policies similar to those followed by China or the brutal eugenics ideas of racists in the 20th Century. Advanced economies already tend to have low birth rates and can transition to a steady level of population with only a slight change in incentives and family planning. Poor nations need family planning services expanded, education for women and the ability of them to become financially independent, if they wish. Empowered women do their own family planning if they have access to the needed information and resources.
8. Foster democracy. Only democratic states can get the participation of the population that is needed to make such large scale social transformations possible. Autocratic states cannot. People need to feel they are not only part of the process, but helping to design it. The desire to make a better life for one's children is one of the most powerful forces on earth. Better doesn't mean bigger. Given the opportunities and the ability to participate in the planning the people will do the right thing.
Change is inevitable, too many people, too few resources. The current downturn is an opportunity to reconsider how we want the rest of the 21st Century to look, or not.
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Very interesting piece. You've given us a lot to think about, and most, if not all of it sounds right to me. We are going to have some hard choices to make. I'm wondering if we are mature enough to make it through the transition period without some sort of a revolt.
December 20, 2008 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Very thoughtful and detailed post. Highly rec'd!!!
I really like #4.
But it all bears rereading.
(when you blog, you have "rich text" - so you can make use of that instead of the html you need for commenting... you can also go back and edit, via "blog now"-> "manage" -> "entries")
December 20, 2008 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
4. Replace materialism with community. More time and energy will be spent on community activities. This doesn't necessarily mean everyone takes up bowling or sitting in pubs, the communities can be virtual, but it does mean that doing replaces shopping.
I just wished to concentrate on this nice statement.
If only the Republicans could keep on making fun of Community Organizers. The Dems would be in power for a century. That is why I do not wish to throw local churches under the bus. Sunday School, Catechism, team sports, community paper/rag/soda can/ drives, big garage sales, anti-drug forums, food shelve drives...there is so much there. The churches are not the only forums for community activities. It is just that so many are in place already.
Personally, I am not just getting older, I'm getting closer to death.
You see, if I took on this whole good post, I would be writing for hours.
December 20, 2008 12:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, I'm just blown away, dickday, that you and I were both impressed by number 4 - at about the same time!
December 20, 2008 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
God I hope you do not think I copied you.
But from what you write I can tell how much honor you have for our community organizers
December 20, 2008 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't think that! I thought we had a similar reaction at the same time!
December 20, 2008 1:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, so now I suppose HE'S your favorite!
December 20, 2008 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why me, Lord?
December 20, 2008 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
hee hee hee!!!
December 21, 2008 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
#4 is essential, as are the others. And the way to be most sure of the changes needed is to set goals, not mandate methods.
As an example question, does anyone think the catalytic converter is the only, let alone best way of reducing auto emissions? Yet they are required on all cars sold in the US.
Turn the engineers loose - if there's one thing they love, it's being handed a problem and a goal, and then told to find a solution. Then, tell them to improve on it. Good things will happen.
Educate everyone. Find a way to make being smart "cool" as it was during the days of the space program.
And everyone needs to learn how to cook. There's no reason to let people who are looking at only profit make your food, is there?
There was a great thread on here a while back, "Fewer, better things", that makes a nice companion piece to this. Good content in that one. And look for Bruce Sterling's "Last Viridian Note" as a very good associated read.
Linky goodness:
http://craphound.com/lastviridian.txt
Excerpt:
December 20, 2008 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Grouch, I had to of course, hit your cite site and holy crum. i only hit it because it said crap hound. Wow. I am going to take another look at it later.
By the way, 'Turn the engineers loose' could be a blog that went on for three days.
Good points.
December 20, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Definitely rec'd!
You've hung alot of meat on the bones here. I really appreciate the depth of your understanding that significant structural changes of this economic system are required if we are to grow (or in fact, contract!) toward sustainability.
You lay out a substantial list of items in your plan for the necessary contraction in this economy. I can see that this upheaval in the economy has caused you (like myself) to seek "opportunity in the crisis" as Rahm Emanuel suggested, and there is nothing here I would disagree with.
I share with you a caution, however, that we must most certainly focus upon the recovery before we can fully engage the required reforms. In an open letter to FDR at the time of the Great Depression, John Maynard Keynes issued such a caution to FDR to first take care of the recovery with a promise that opportunity for needed reform would follow:
Despite this overall caution that the Obama Administration not now bite off more than it can chew, I think our present course of action involving the loans to the Big Three nevertheless provides an opportunity to leverage this "corporate rescue" in a way that will ultimately encourage significant reform. This would fall under your 8th and final "menu item": Foster Democracy. My suggestion here is that we provide the loan to the UAW members for purpose of purchasing the automakers from the present shareholders, rather than simply hand money over to the present, failed management.
My reasoning? Well, it occurs to me that the US auto industry was instrumental in creating the present consumer economy that has served our interests so well for nearly 100 years. But, as you point out, that model is no longer sustainable. Yet, I believe it is the autoworkers themselves who can now be expected to lead us toward the necessary contraction into a new, more sensible economic system that includes all your other plan items.
My faith that these autoworkers can in fact lead us into the right direction cannot be better stated than you so eloquently put it:
Having asked the UAW members to take significant cuts in pay as a prerequisite to "saving" this industry, it makes sense to now turn ownership of these companies over to the workers in exchange for their sacrifice. Allow them to manufacture the goods needed to make the transition, such as energy efficient cars (at first, transitioning out of this industry as we become less "car dependent"), and then the buses; the high-speed locomotives and rolling stock; the wind generators; the solar panels; the renewable biofuels industry; etc., that will be required. And throughout this transition, allow the proud and responsible industrial workers themselves show the way in making the continued "sacrifices" required to give up the consumer goods that presently mark our standard of wealth to instead reinvent the standard that offers more sustainability while providing more service to all citizens (i.e. Universal health care; improved retirement benefits for all; more equal standard of living for all; etc.).
In his less than valiant effort to provide just enough funding of the Big Three to effectively kick this problem down the road into the next Administration, I feel that Bush has in fact provided opportunity to embrace both recovery and reform with this $17 billion dollar loan to the auto industry. I hope the UAW - and our new Labor Secretary Solis (yes!) - will come forward with a plan before the March 30th deadline that outlines the way in which the autoworkers themselves will be granted the loan to purchase the Big Three (or at least Chrysler and GM) with instructions to carry us all forward into the more sustainable future you have so helpfully laid out in your post.
After all, our children and our children's children are relying upon our success at making the required transition to a more sustainable economy. There can be no doubt that the mothers and fathers who work on the assembly lines throughout this country will not now let them down if provided with the encouragement and the opportunity to make a difference.
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With apologies for the length of this "comment," I say that I am considering rewriting this as a post in my blog and, assuming permission, will undoubtedly reference this post as a valuable contribution to my argument for employee ownership of GM and Chrysler.
December 20, 2008 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
God, I love this blog! The depth of the commentators is without compare!
Bless you, SleepinJeezus! (and so many others!)
December 20, 2008 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great write-up, as always, rdf. Glad to see you still here.
One major result of a slowing in population, when and if that occurs, is the leveling off of real estate appreciation. Already seen when populations shift locale, it might at some point become general. It has now, but mainly because value was inflated after the relaxation of tax rates on gains.
I tend to agree with your Toynbee-style view of national age. But like people, the US may age but does not have to die, or even give up high activity, if we guard its health.
I'd push the urban thing, of course, but care must be taken to avoid brittle dependence on technology. This means decentralized power, and more bicycle use.
Although you are correct that liquid or gaseous fuels are necessary, they do not have to be fossil-based, but could be solar-derived hydrogen-based. But we should expect many advances in battery design, since that is an under-explored area. The availability of fossil fuels has always discouraged work on large-scale battery or other storage of power. Only hydro plants stored power, up until now. Batteries were reserved for small and compact, like radios and such.
There is a need to find the non-growth model for our economy, but there is much need for a certain kind of growth, not population or roads. That is the huge realm of improvement available in reducing power use, while maintaining standards, or replacing it with renewable power.
Ironic that changing to solar or wind power involves learning to maximize its value and minimize the need, since one has only so much panel or turbine, or storage capacity. Even when the power itself is free (only the hardware costs money), users will seek lower-drain appliances and better insulation, to get closer to independence for the grid.
The main bottleneck is food and water, of course. There will be more wars. Let's try to keep them at a distance, and avoid involvement in them.
December 20, 2008 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you find this posting of mine interesting you might like to read a few others of a similar nature that I have on my web site.
After Capitalism, What?
http://robertdfeinman.com/society/after_capitalism.html
and
Planning For a Steady State (No Growth) Society
http://robertdfeinman.com/society/no_growth.html
Or you can just follow the link under my profile to see an index to the whole collection.
December 20, 2008 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know rdf, I hit Feinman. This all is way over my head. But I will tell you this. I was told that over population would ruin everything when there were less than 3 billion people on the planet. I was told that we would run out of resources a half century ago. I was told that the end was near half a century ago.
We are wasting a least half the fuel--of all kinds-that we use. We are too dependent on outside sources including oil. I believe that we, as a country can do something about this. But I believe that we have been living in a socialist/corporate country for decades. The model must be tweaked to say the least.
December 20, 2008 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because it did not occur 50 years ago is no reason to discount that it is likely to happen, or perhaps even happening.
Two things strike me as possibly foreshadowing this. First, the global food shortage created when we directed corn to ethanol production. Second, the rice hoarding that occurred and caused concern around the same time. The world, due to its overpopulation, has become seriously interdependent. Regions need to develop their own regional sources.
More then anything we need to develop local food. How many individuals can replace a supermarket? What can this do for the economy after the dust settles? I propose good things.
At this time, Wal-Mart and other Big Box stores are thinking about leaving rural markets where they destroyed the competition. The profits are insufficient for their corporate demands. These voids will need to be filled. The regions obviously supported some market, just not a corporate giant. So these will be real opportunities.
It is the concentration of wealth more then anything that has led to this present economic situation. Big banks are failing, but regional banks are more flexible and appear to be doing well, for the most part. It would seem we are better served by many small entities then a few jumbos.
December 21, 2008 12:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Impressive website. I had seen that in your profile. Please keep up the posts here too. :)
December 20, 2008 9:04 PM | Reply | Permalink