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Co-Ops are like nats on an elephants behind.
Senator Kent Conrad, Democrat of North Dakota is pushing the health insurance cooperative, so what is a co-op anyway and can it compete with for profit insurance and lower costs?
First we have to understand that there are two kinds of insurance co-ops, there is the health insurance purchasing co-op and there is the health insurance provider co-op.
The Insurance Purchasing Co-Op
The purchasing co- op is not an insurance provider, it is what it is, a bargaining group who wrangles with insurance companies to buy insurance from an exchange. The exchange being the already established insurance companies. The catch here is that the 1300 insurance companies that exist are regionally entrenched, some control huge shares of the market in their region. For example: The major insurance companies market share by state if over 40%:
What this shows is the problem facing an insurance purchasing co-op, there is going to be a the lack of choice and competition in their region which is dominated by a these large entities. Actually these figures are much higher now because this study was in 2003.Now add to that a mandate which will most likely be added in the finished bill and you can see that the insurance purchasing co-op becomes a windfall of new customers and money for the entrenched insurance companies, with a large portion of the money for premiums coming from tax dollars.These co-ops have no chance of even getting a foothold on this turf. What about the other type co-op?
The Health Insurance Provider Co-Op
The basic idea of the health insurance provider co-op is that you get a group of consumers together and start a company to provide everyone in the group with insurance. In the 1930,s and 1940,s we had a few of them subsidized by the Farm Security Administration .There were 600,000 people in the Midwest who were insured through them. In 1947 the Farm Security Administration withdrew support and in short order the co-ops collapsed. Two have survived, Group Health Cooperative of Washington and Health Partners in Minnesota. They've basically become like other insurance companies.
The true health insurance provider co-op is one that would function as an insurer themselves. The dilemma is that it's really really difficult to start up an insurance company from scratch. You can't just get a bunch of people together and say, "We're going to start an insurance co-op." You would have to develop your own network by finding doctors and hospitals and then negotiate contracts. Most are already locked up by the dominant insurers. They're certainly not going to give a tiny co-op a better deal. That is assuming they'll deal with you at all. The alternative would be to rent a network, but you're basically buying your product from your competitor. There's no way you'll get a good deal there, either.
You need to establish a brand identity, figure out how to handle claims, develop actuarial expertise, establish reserves, meet state licensing requirements and solvency requirements. The thought that you'll have a few businessmen get together and set up a co-op that will compete with Aetna or Cigna is just dreaming. It's not going to happen.
Who knows? Maybe some consumers might put together a co-op that would survive. But the idea that co-ops will provide competition in the private market that would have effect on cost is an illusion. The insurance giants see co-ops as a minor inconvenience, like nats on an elephants behind.
The public option is the only thing with the strength to break the strangle hold big insurance holds on the American people. If you had a public plan that could use Medicare rates, the infrastructure would already be there, and the network would already be there. Providers could always opt out, as they do today.It could compete with for profit health insurance.
Why people believe the public option will destroy the private insurance market makes no sense.In Germany and Australia, they have competition of public plans and private plans. In fact, what has happened is that the market stabilizes, the public plan provides things some people want, and private plans provide things other people want. What you end up with eventually is a market in which people get what they want.
The Congressional Budget Office predicted in its analysis of the House bill that about two-thirds of people who had the option would go for private market and one-third for public. The vast majority -- about 160 million -- would stay in employer-covered plans, because the exchange wouldn't be available to them. Probably some people will go with the public option because it's cheaper. Others may think private insurance will offer more care or broader coverage.
The market will sort itself out, in Germany 50 percent of people go public, and 50 percent private. About the only thing the co-ops may have the strength to do is make it through the Senate so we can get this thing moving again, after which the full Congress and not six Senators will decide what to keep and what to scrap.
First we have to understand that there are two kinds of insurance co-ops, there is the health insurance purchasing co-op and there is the health insurance provider co-op.
The Insurance Purchasing Co-Op
The purchasing co- op is not an insurance provider, it is what it is, a bargaining group who wrangles with insurance companies to buy insurance from an exchange. The exchange being the already established insurance companies. The catch here is that the 1300 insurance companies that exist are regionally entrenched, some control huge shares of the market in their region. For example: The major insurance companies market share by state if over 40%:
[1] Blue Cross Blue Shield : Al 71%, AR 56%, DE 59%,DC/No.Va 69% ,ID 58%,IA 66%, IL 47%,LA 42%,MA 47%, MN 53%,MS 47%,MT 59%,NE 54%, NC 50%,ND 51%,OR 43%,PA 63%,RI 56%,SC 44%,SD 56%,TN 43%,VT 44%,WV 43%,WA 51%.
Now look at Blue Cross' share in these states, CO 0%,CT 0%,GA 0%,IN 0%,KY 0%,ME 0%,,NV 0%,NH 0%, OH 0%,VA 0%,WI 0%.
Dont worry the states where Blue Cross is small or 0% are picked up by others
[2] Wellpoint : CT 57%,GA 43%,IN 46%,KY 46%,ME 70%, NH 66%.MO 36%,VA 57%
[3] The other players: United Health Group,Aetna,and Cigna
It is easier to look at the chart Share chart from this article Health Affairs
What this shows is the problem facing an insurance purchasing co-op, there is going to be a the lack of choice and competition in their region which is dominated by a these large entities. Actually these figures are much higher now because this study was in 2003.Now add to that a mandate which will most likely be added in the finished bill and you can see that the insurance purchasing co-op becomes a windfall of new customers and money for the entrenched insurance companies, with a large portion of the money for premiums coming from tax dollars.These co-ops have no chance of even getting a foothold on this turf. What about the other type co-op?
The Health Insurance Provider Co-Op
The basic idea of the health insurance provider co-op is that you get a group of consumers together and start a company to provide everyone in the group with insurance. In the 1930,s and 1940,s we had a few of them subsidized by the Farm Security Administration .There were 600,000 people in the Midwest who were insured through them. In 1947 the Farm Security Administration withdrew support and in short order the co-ops collapsed. Two have survived, Group Health Cooperative of Washington and Health Partners in Minnesota. They've basically become like other insurance companies.
The true health insurance provider co-op is one that would function as an insurer themselves. The dilemma is that it's really really difficult to start up an insurance company from scratch. You can't just get a bunch of people together and say, "We're going to start an insurance co-op." You would have to develop your own network by finding doctors and hospitals and then negotiate contracts. Most are already locked up by the dominant insurers. They're certainly not going to give a tiny co-op a better deal. That is assuming they'll deal with you at all. The alternative would be to rent a network, but you're basically buying your product from your competitor. There's no way you'll get a good deal there, either.
You need to establish a brand identity, figure out how to handle claims, develop actuarial expertise, establish reserves, meet state licensing requirements and solvency requirements. The thought that you'll have a few businessmen get together and set up a co-op that will compete with Aetna or Cigna is just dreaming. It's not going to happen.
Who knows? Maybe some consumers might put together a co-op that would survive. But the idea that co-ops will provide competition in the private market that would have effect on cost is an illusion. The insurance giants see co-ops as a minor inconvenience, like nats on an elephants behind.
The public option is the only thing with the strength to break the strangle hold big insurance holds on the American people. If you had a public plan that could use Medicare rates, the infrastructure would already be there, and the network would already be there. Providers could always opt out, as they do today.It could compete with for profit health insurance.
Why people believe the public option will destroy the private insurance market makes no sense.In Germany and Australia, they have competition of public plans and private plans. In fact, what has happened is that the market stabilizes, the public plan provides things some people want, and private plans provide things other people want. What you end up with eventually is a market in which people get what they want.
The Congressional Budget Office predicted in its analysis of the House bill that about two-thirds of people who had the option would go for private market and one-third for public. The vast majority -- about 160 million -- would stay in employer-covered plans, because the exchange wouldn't be available to them. Probably some people will go with the public option because it's cheaper. Others may think private insurance will offer more care or broader coverage.
The market will sort itself out, in Germany 50 percent of people go public, and 50 percent private. About the only thing the co-ops may have the strength to do is make it through the Senate so we can get this thing moving again, after which the full Congress and not six Senators will decide what to keep and what to scrap.
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Great post, Dondi. Yes, the idea is brilliant and pragmatic. I sure hope we can make it so.
Medicare for All is my preferred option. Medicare already covers seniors who have many more health issues than younger people and all of the people appreciate and praise the services. Covering the younger population would not be as expensive and would give them all kinds of options.
Having universal coverage would also give us a lot more freedom to change jobs/careers - which is increasingly an issue with outsourcing and the recession. Insurance companies hold us by the earlobe right now, paralyzed. Healthcare Freedom for All!
All I can say about Co-ops is that AFTER we get the Public Option we will all have a greatly improved chance at survival – people and businesses.
August 25, 2009 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Strato, I am in complete agreement with you, Medicare for All is my preferred option too. It is the best and is already in place ready to go. Private health insurance did not even exist in the 1930's and 1940's at the time of those farm co-ops. Once these insurance companies sprang up they quickly morphed from wellness first to profit only systems. The good news is that this is the loudest the American people have ever been about it and the majority wants reform.
August 25, 2009 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
A public option would be the preferred method for providing effective competition on a sustained and national basis. On the other hand, provider co-ops could in theory perform the same role adequately if three conditions are met (each under consideration by the Senate Finance Committee). The first is that each co-op possess a large population base with considerable bargaining power. Ideally, the base should equal of exceed the VA patient care population of about 5 million. The second condition is that the establishment of the co-ops, although not their continuing operations, be subsidized by the Federal government and include officials and actuarial experts to provide the management capability needed for effective competition. The third condition is anti-monopoly regulations that prevent domination of local markets by any single insurer and which include the availability of insurance across state lines.
Under this system, provider co-ops could eventually develop their own set of providers at very competitive rates.
Finally, as Don mentions, other nations utilize various private/public combinations. In none, however, as far as I know, do private and public insurers compete on a large scale to provide the exact same services to the population - i.e., they are not "parallel" entities. Rather, each occupies a separate niche. Typically, the public niche offers basic medical services, and private insurers offer various forms of supplemental insurance. To only a minimal extent, do private insurers in these nations offer the same basic benefits that are covered by the public insurance plans.
August 25, 2009 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
To continue the above, the main virtue of a public option - only partly capable of duplication by co-ops - is not control of insurance costs. Excess insurance costs contribute only a tiny fraction of excess healthcare costs, and if private insurers miraculously decided to operate without profit, but changed nothing else, the reduction in healthcare costs would hardly be noticeable.
Rather, a public option run by the goverment would have the timeline and luxury to negotiate substantial changes in the healthcare system itself, to reduce duplicate or unnecessary services, and to substitute payment mechanisms that rewarded effective care rather than those based on fee for service. It is healthcare costs, rather than insurance costs, that are driving our healthcare system toward bankruptcy. The excessive insurance costs are only a very minor part of the problem.
August 25, 2009 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Fred, nice to have your knowledge and input on this. Its great to see Congress recognizes that co-ops dont have a chance without some protection from the giants. We have problems on many fronts with costs being second on the list.The number one priority is health care for all,that is a life and death problem.Gaming of the public by the insurance companies,the pharmaceuticals (as pointed out in Norsemans blog today)and yes the health care providers also,will have to be overcome to deal with the second pressing problem,lowering costs.It could be argued that cost is the number one, but the battle on that front is so wide that while we fight it many more will fall into the health care quicksand and be lost.One thing is certain, we dont have any more time to waste, the sand in the hour glass is dropping quickly.
August 25, 2009 8:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nice to see facts. I hardly see facts anymore.
Just myths.
And as we're learning from the town halls, myths are stubborn things.
Thanks Dondi.
August 25, 2009 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you tpmgary
August 25, 2009 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
great post don. You lay out the arguments really nicely.
August 25, 2009 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not as well as you pugsly but thank you.
August 25, 2009 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Outstanding post.
Appreciate.
Rec'd.
August 25, 2009 7:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Back at you Aunt Sam.
August 25, 2009 8:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn it, missed you again. But still not too late. three or four hours left.
I get your argument DonDi. But it depends upon HOW IT IS SET UP, that is the co-op.
See, the polling told these asshats that coop was a good word. You know the audience is equipped with electrodes in their heads and they play words and phrases and see how the computers react.
A non profit corporation is the answer. You see, in the end, if the charter is correctly worded, the non profit is no different from the dept. of Agriculture or any government agency.
But a correctly worded charter for a co-op would accomplish the same thing.
Oh well we shall see.
GREAT POST.
August 25, 2009 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK dickday, I hope you got this right because it is encouraging to hear.Thanks, just when I think Im all argued out, somebody has to bring out new facts to consider.Geez dd it looks like your blog blew the roof off today, nice work.
August 25, 2009 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I rec'd this post yesterday, as I was traveling, (in one of those internet cafe kind of places), and didn't have time to comment dondi. Thank you for pointing out the utter uselessness of the co-op idea in controlling costs. The "elephant's behind" is a good metaphor for the coalition of republican and blue dog senators who are pushing this. Really well done.
August 25, 2009 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Miguelito for your comments, always cheers me up to see the pigalito avatar show up.
August 25, 2009 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink