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		        <![CDATA[<p>We started with Avishai's admiration for Friedman and now we end with it!  I guess it's possible to imagine the bourgeoisie and their global economy as Messiah, but somehow the red-meat-eating localists on FOX News, in the West Bank settlements, and in Gaza seem more . . . how should I put it? . . . hungry.</p>

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		    <title><![CDATA[Purple State Commented on Krauthammer: Why Can&apos;t We Just Say That the Problem Is Islam   ++ Americans For Peace Now&apos;s Short History Of Israeli Right-wing Terrorism  by M.J. Rosenberg]]></title>
		        
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, Fred, though I think many of us read your initial posts  a bit differently. Your language has become more careful or more precise in recent posts, and I'll take you at your word that this is what you intended all along.  In this medium we all write quickly and with less discipline than we might do if we were writing professionally rather than for pleasure, and so the possibility of miscommunication, misunderstanding, and misinterpretation is always high.</p>

<p>On your main topic: Jihadism seems to me to be a rather rare phenomenon among American Muslims.  Doubtlessly, there is a small percentage of American Muslims who have sympathy with the violent cause promoted by al Qaeda and the like.  But most of the jihadi plots uncovered in America to date seem half-baked to me and often the product of minds so clearly unstable for other reasons that it is hard see these events as any kind of serious, sustained, or organized threat.  Interestingly, many of the "Muslims" who launch these plots appear to be recent converts, probably already violent, who are seduced by the rhetoric of jihadism and convert to Islam merely to give an ideological cover to their psychopathic desires. For those looking for a way to make a desire for violence appear heroic, jihadism may play a similar role to the role socialism sometimes played in the 1960s and earlier.  Neither Islam nor socialism are themselves bad, but Islam today unfortunately is at times co-opted by the violent in the same way that socialist ideas were at times co-opted by the violent during prior decades.  Further, much as in the fifties and sixties there were socialist nations and revolutionaries that were antagonistic to the US, so today we see similarly antagonistic nations and groups who adopt extremist concepts of Islam. These phenomena create an appearance that Islam is a threat, much as socialism appeared in many minds to be a threat in the 50s and 60s. The reality, though, is that Islam itself is benign as was socialism. Our duty, I think, in times like these is to create distinctions between the ideas, which may themselves be wholly good, and those who co-opt them to justify their desire for violence.  <br />
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		        <![CDATA[<p>The truth is a complex thing, and one can choose to focus on different parts of it. What part of the truth one chooses to emphasize says a lot about one's values. That's all. The world isn't black and white, but words (and actions) have power to make it either more black or more white. Words don't just reflect the truth, they help create it. One, therefore, should be responsible with one's words and use them more for good than for evil.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Sleepin.  I'm sensitive about this subject because I see how "honesty" like Fred's affects my Muslim relatives. It means they're constantly under suspicion. And that's simply not fair. They didn't commit Hasan's crimes and have no more to do with them then you, Fred, and I do. </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Or rather (and with better grammar): My nephew is an ordinary American just like you and me, and he has no demons he needs to address other than those we share as Americans. And the most dangerous of those demons in a multicultural society and a multicultural world is the demon of bigotry.</p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I just want to mention here that my nephew who happens to be a Muslim served his country bravely in the marines. He's had stones tossed at him though by fellow Americans because he is (and looks) Arab and therefore is seen by some as a "threat."  If you're interested in the truth, please fight this misconception that ordinary Muslim citizens are dangerous. Don't give it further impetus by saying that the Muslim community presents a disproportionate danger and has demons to address. My nephew is an ordinary American just like you and I and he has no demons he needs to address . . . . </p>]]>
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		        <![CDATA[<p>Fred, you really do frustrate me!  You've got this point that you just can't seem to let go!  In you're earlier posts you were talking about "demons" in the "Muslim community."  Now you're narrowing your observations to the  "jihadist segment" which "poses disproportionate dangers." This is an improvement--jihadists do present a disproportionate danger because their ideology is clearly one of war--but it's taken numerous critical posts from me and many others to get you to narrow your "dilemma" from Muslims to jihadists.  If you want to talk in public about the danger presented by jihadists, all the while explaining that Muslim does not equal jihadist, then maybe I can support you. But until this post, you've been talking about a "Muslim community" that presents a threat. Limit it to the jihadists and maybe you can help the public. But even then, the way you help is to focus on explaining that all Muslims aren't jihadists and jihadists are constitute just a small fraction of the nation's Muslims.</p>

<p>As far as Hasan goes, he seems to be a psychopath first (not unlike many other loners who "go postal") whose apparent interest in jihadi ideas may have been a symptom of his psychosis more than a cause. </p>

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		        <![CDATA[<p>Fred will find every opportunity to make the same point, apparently.  He's fixated, it seems, on making us all admit that, while Muslims are mostly good people, a disproportionate number of them are bad people.  This makes Fred Moolten, for all his protests, a fellow traveler with bigots.  Oh yes, he'll object, he's just being "relentlessly" honest. But even if he is (and until he presents the data on which he bases his conclusions, we have no way of knowing), honesty isn't always the best--or most moral--policy. When a minority group is under threat by bigots (as Muslims clearly are today as anyone who listens for just a few minutes to right-wing radio knows), the moral imperative is to defend the minority by pointing out the exaggerations of the bigots. What is completely immoral--and I'm afraid even despicable--is to spend all one's time trying to prove that there is some tiny grain of truth amongst the outrageous and pernicious lies of the hateful.<br />
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		        <![CDATA[<p>I think General Shalikashvili basically said American youth is too fat, too stupid, and too criminal to be able or trusted to pull a trigger.  </p>

<p>I can't decide if this is good or bad. Maybe if we are so unfit to go to war, we'll try investing our time and resources into something more productive for a change?</p>

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		        <![CDATA[<p>Spider, even the Damascus incident you mention was largely the result of European and Christian influence. The Muslim populace was responsible for much of the violence against Jews, but the original accusation against the Jews (that they had slaughtered a Catholic priest and his Muslim servant and drank the blood for Passover) came from the Catholic priests living in Syria under French protection. This was an example of European Christians exporting their anti-Semitic notions to a Muslim population which considered all non-Muslims (including Jews) inferior, but which was still relatively tolerant toward both Jews and Christians.  My main point is not that Muslims are humiliated and hateful, but that the current anti-Semitism (and/or vehement anti-Israeli sentiment) observed in the Middle East arises as much from the relationship between Muslim societies and European Christian societies as it does from any inherent hatred of Jews within the Muslim world.</p>

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		        <![CDATA[<p>Spider, in your earlier post, you said:</p>

<p><i>"The surrounding Muslim world consists of even more extreme ethnocracies and theocracies....and Jews lived for 2000 years in such societies and have had enough of it. "</i></p>

<p>The interesting thing, of course, is that most Jews today are Ashkenazi, which means the ancestors of most Jews spent the last 2000 years (or so) in Christian countries, not Muslim.  Whether those Christian countries were extreme ethnocracies or theocracies is maybe debatable, but whatever they were, they were not particularly tolerant of or kind to Jews.  For most of the past 1300 or 1400 years since Islam arose, Muslim societies have been considerably friendlier to Jews than have Christian societies. This is not to say that Jews were treated as equals by Muslims, but Jews were not persecuted to nearly the same extent by Muslims as they were by Christians. The intensified dislike of Jews now exhibited in the Muslim world is a recent phenomenon that has arisen primarily as reaction to Zionism.  To fully understand the Muslim reaction to Zionism, one must recognize that Zionism isn't merely a Jewish phenomenon, but also a European one. Over many centuries, there has been a slow but steady shift in the balance of power from the Middle East to Europe, which reached its climax with British colonialism after the fall of the Ottomans.  The creation of a Jewish state on land owned and populated mostly by Muslims was maybe the last and greatest insult the British colonialists could hurl at the Muslim world. It showed that even the group of Europeans most despised by the majority of Europeans--the Jews--were more important in the eyes of Europe than the Muslims. With the creation of Israel, the rights of Jews--so disregarded in Europe itself--were placed by the Europeans above the rights of Muslims.  The creation of Israel, therefore, was and continues to be symbolic to Muslims of the low regard in which Europe holds them. While bigotry directed at Jews certainly plays into the Muslim dislike of Israel, Europe's disrespect for Muslims demonstrated by Europe's placement of Jewish rights and interests above Muslim rights and interests is at least an equal factor in stoking Muslim hatred and resentment towards Israel.</p>

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		        <![CDATA[<p>After an action like Hasan's, the tide of public opinion tends to move in the direction of blaming an entire group for the action of one of its members. If we think that blaming the group is wrong, our most important moral obligation is to stand firmly against the tide by stressing the fact that the individual is solely responsible for his own actions and other individuals of his ethnicity or religion bear no responsibility for those actions, are in no way complicit with them, and have no obligation to make amends for them or to comment on them.</p>

<p>Instead, what I believe you and Brooks are both doing is not standing firmly against the troublesome tide, but rather flowing along with it by giving some credence to the idea that there is a "community" that needs to "examine" itself and in some way address the deeds of an individual whose actions are purely his own. I find this unhelpful in the current situation and possibly even immoral.<br />
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