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No Public Option ... Mandatory Coverage ... GO POUND SAND!


image Shit ... or get off the pot . . .


No guts ... No glory!

Democratic senator: Public health insurance option dead

If the administration backs down in the face of a no vote for the public option in the Senate but still requires a mandate for all to have health insurance -- what can be done?

Tell the corporate run senate and federal government to GO POUND SAND!

~OGD~

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I have turned Green. This was the last straw.

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Oooh, I like it!

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Agreed.

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We just won't pay for the insurance, and if they fine us through our taxes, we'll see. The self-employed, which we are, are already at a huge tax disadvantage: we pay all of our social security taxes; .1735 of gross income. My fear all along has been exactly this scenario and i say, "Bah, Humbug."

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Well . . .

If they end up making it mandatory coverage for all ya' can always tell 'em your personal Spaghetti Monster won't allow you to do so and thereby it goes against your faith.

~OGD~

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Give me the choice between a $1735 fine or paying $4400 a year with a $2000 deductible, the fine is cheaper, thank you. That money would go to pay for medical services I need instead of into someone else's pockets.

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But OGD, the state co-ops can form their own group of people insurance companies can't make lots of money on....hoping this 'no public option' report is just Obama rope-a-dope to deflect/dodge the blows of the nutjob Bush Base.

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Ya' know . . .

We already belong to a co-op style health care system, for the past 27 years. It suits our needs perfectly. It's a system that's been around since the 40s... Here's a little more info about it at my Cafe blog.

It currently costs in the neighborhood of $8700 per year. Just the two of us. With the type of services we have through it, if it was through one of the other predatory insurance corporations we would have been dropped by now or be paying in the area of $12,000...

Like I said, the folks in DC can go pound sand!

Wait ... No ... make that salt...

~OGD~

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Oops ... Sorry . . .

Link problem. Here's the link.

~OGD~

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Obama will be a one term president and those in the senate who come up for reelection maybe out on their arses.

C

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I would have preferred that Obama and the Dems did the right thing - no matter if they lost the next election! They may still lose it - if they lose the committed left. I myself am losing faith in them....

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God damn it. God fucking damn it.

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OGD -

I concur.

Perhaps when I'm a rational being again I can figure out which emotion is strongest - whether it's the sense of betrayal, injustice, inequity and the negative list goes on ad nauseum. I'm not even really angry yet, just very upset and saddened.

But, I do want to restate how much your posts on this topic have brought here - all good and sorely needed. Thank you.

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Thank you ... Aunt Sam . . .

I don't get mad. I don't get sad. And anger only blinds one's path to the purpose.

But through patience and persistence I do get even.

~OGD~

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I thought mandating coverage was something you supported? What is the reason you are so upset?

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Dayum . . .

Now someone has to pick up the dog crap on the carpet in here.

On another note: Why isn't TCB over having a good conversation with the head wacko of the TPM Cafe birth brigade?

That one seems right up ol' bulldog's alley

~OGD~

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OGD,
Fork them and the corporate controlled gates of hell they have built.

I feel the nightmare slipping through our dream.

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Yeah......I don't know, and we really know nothing for a month or two.

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They ran it up the flag pole once before and they are hoping they can get away with it this time. See we are doing the best we can -- don't you understand we need to kiss some crazy tea bag a$$es?

This is how I thought the Obama White House would operate and part of why I did not vote for him.

First step, is pruning some of the Blue Dog gangrene. Contribute not to Democratic committees but to liberal groups and to specific politicians for specific reasons. Turf out unstaisfactory incubents -- preferrably in primaries -- but in the general if necessary. Don't let these folks accumulate seniority. Don't let them think that these positions are risk free.


Yeah, and oh, by the way, I expect to be campaigning hard for Obama the next round because the rump ReThuglicans don't seem to contain any sane individuals.

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I agree. I no longer contribute to the Democratic Party--and they're whining their little hearts out. It's not that I've given up on them totally, but I won't reward bad behavior.

What little pittance I give is going to liberal groups now, but I'm screening them carefully, too. Some of them are just too silly. We're fighting a war and they're throwing sticks. Underhanded. Pinky fingers raised.

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What a disappointment the Dems have been - for some time now... I'm with you, Ramona!

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I believe Dr. Dean's DFA will be my party now. That's the organization I intend to support with what little money I can give. I trust him to spend it wisely.

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I can tell ya' . . .

. . . what they can do with that flag pole.

Although, I'll leave that up to your imagination.

~OGD~

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This is a blog I wrote after I received a letter from the Democratic Senatorial Committee. I guess they never saw it, because they sent me another one with a similar silly plea not long after.

http://ramonasvoices.blogspot.com/2009/03/this-is-not-battle-its-snit.html

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I just sent an email to the president and would encourage others to sound off as well.

http://www.emailthepresident.com/

It may never reach the intended recipient, but it helped me to vent and know that someone will open that email and read my disappointment and disgust.

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That's great ... Melissa . . .

If you care to, also send a fax.

It must be logged in and registered at the White House. Make them do there job.

FAX: 202-456-2461

~OGD~

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Thanks, I'll do that. I may as well sound off to my reps again while I'm at it.

I'm mad as hell. I took my kids along to go door to door; made phone calls; took food for volunteers; donated when I'm not really in the financial position to donate. For this? This is what we worked tirelessly for?

You know, we also learned much about how to organize at the grass roots level during the campaign. If they choose to kowtow to a few townhallers who, frankly, sound like they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, I hope that organizational knowledge is turned against them in future elections. It will be well deserved if they can't show some damned spine.

Phew...sorry to vent, but I needed that. :)

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So healthcare is uniquely "inelastic"... When my wife is sick, I will do *anything* to help her back to health. The "health insurance" companies know this.

The "health insurance" cartel is protected by political power.

All the sand (or salt) pounding to be done in this society falls to us. Unlike the insurance cartel, or the banking cartel, or the media company cartel, we do not have the protection of the neofeudal corporate leadership team. We live in a giant company town, stretching from sea to shining sea.

I wonder what it takes to become a protected cartel? Too big to fail? Being well-connected to "senators"?

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Yup!

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It all starts at the State level. Your State Representative, Senator, Governor and Insurance Commissioner all receive donations to their re-election coffers. In turn, they give insurance companies lucrative latitude to pretty much do what they will. Prices are set for the amount and degree of health care they will be legally responsible to provide. So if, for instance, some one reaches age 50, their premium pays are allowed to go up from say $300 a month to $900 a month. This your State representatives have agreed to this and the consumer hasn't a legal leg to stand on if they challenge this in court. The only hope of getting any reform in the system will be to wrestle the control away from State governments and put in under the control of the federal government.

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The financial system (inclusive of insurance) has been finagled and has ended up with what amounts to a huge rip off of regular working class citizens. Profits and wages in the financial sector have grown all out of proportion to the overall economy since about 1980. They screwed up everything completely and instead of getting seriously whacked for driving the world economy to the brink, U.S. taxpayers funded their largesse and in fact have ended up covering their sorry asses and making sure their profits and over the top lifestyles remain intact.

Now it appears the healthcare sector is going to take a shot at their own custom made scam that will do quite the opposite of what any sane person anticipated and is a mirror of what happened in the financial sector.

Both are living high on the hog, using customers money for the most outrageous expenditures including lobbying our elected officials to our disadvantage and lavishing them with untold amounts of campaign cash and writing it all off as business expenses.

There is an awful lot very wrong with this entire picture. We are being seriously screwed to maintain the oligarchy and political elites who have completely abandoned any pretense of being other than common thieves.

They have changed all the rules and stolen so much money from the middle class I don't think you can even begin to fgure out all the ways the tables have been turned on us. Democracy is out the window for sure. We are going to have the rich and the poor when this is done. Of that I have no doubt. We are being squeezed to provide profits for global corporations who are no more citizens of this country than an alien on a planet a zillion light years from here. I recall that someplace in our constitution there is a phrase about the common good. Like so many of the other high minded principles of that document, the notion of the common good has been effectively stricken from it. Every society ends up a victim of its own success and we are no exception. We just cannot escape the inevitable consequences of our flawed nature. Not as individuals and not in the collective.

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The CBO data recently verified as much re: the divide between rich and poor. Here's a link in case you haven't seen it: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2789

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I didn't need to read that but I did anyway.

Those numbers are really bad. Everyone of our elected officials know very well this is because of laws and policies they have passed. There isn't one of them doesn't know this and yet they pursue actions that will yield the same harmful result. I saved the page to my computer. Along with all the others that inform us of how completely corrupt this nation is.

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I have volunteered for President Obama's campaign and have made over 2,000 phone calls over a 2 month period. I, like many progressives, doctors, nurses, etc., strongly believe a single payer system to be the easiest, most effective way to deal with the health care crisis.

With the understanding that we live in a world of compromise, progressive have settle on the compromised position of a public option in order to accommodate the interests of the much too powerful insurance industry and its representatives in Congress, the Republican party.

The elimination of the public option would be an unacceptable capitulation to the will of the minority (70% of Americans have consistently supported single payer over many years) and for this reason, it will not be something that I, and many other progressives would support.

The President, and the Democratic party should better pay attention to the following: any health care bill that shall pass without a strong public option will simply be seen by progressives like myself as a mandate to deliver more customers to private health insurance companies; and if that is what comes to pass you will have lost my support for the foreseeable future.

If the Democratic party capitulates to the pressures of big business and deny the people the choice of a strong public option, it will be the final nail in the coffin of the party as the representative of working people. I, for one, will actively begin working to build a truly progressive party to the left of the apparently centrist, corporate driven Democratic party.

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I'm the eternal optimist. While single payer/public options are like icing on a multilayer cake, I suspect its the moist texture of the cake itself Obama is concerned with. Perhaps single payer/public options are idle threats to both Congress and the industry what could happen if the legislation doesn't meets Obama's concept of health care reform. I think they are but toys dangled in front of the participants of the legislative orchestra as it gets itself tuned up for a legislative session that will define a truly unique change in the way the government deals with public health care and their expectation of the cast of providers as they perform a choreographic dance for the public - dance well or get cut.

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Sadly, Diogenes has extinguished his lamp and has returned to his tub(where he lives)and is in the corner crying softly and silently as he finally gives up his quest.

Windancer no more as my heart is to heavy.

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In his words ... as has been said . . .

"Humans have complicated every simple gift of the gods."

~OGD~

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