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I saw this OGD. I like to repeat that Keith O was the voice crying in the wilderness of cable news when I had not web. He was the only one with the guts to call felons, felons.

Geez I am glad you pointed this out.

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There's plenty to point out . . .

Here's an interview from December with Jonathan Turley.

What are the offenses of Bush Administration officials that you think need to be redressed or punished?

“The two most obvious crimes in this administration are the torture program and the unlawful surveillance program. Despite the effort to pretend that there is some ambiguity or uncertainty on these crimes, the law is quite clear.

“Waterboarding is not some new concept in the law. This torture technique goes back to the Spanish Inquisition and probably earlier. Courts in the United States, England and other countries have long held that waterboarding is not only a crime but a war crime. We prosecuted Japanese officers for this war crime in World War II. The English sentenced people to death for this form of torture.

“After the Spanish American War of 1898 in the Philippines, Major Edwin Glenn was court martialed and sentenced to 10 years hard labor for waterboarding an insurgent. The Senate denounced the practice. President Theodore Roosevelt dismissed a general for allowing his troops to waterboard suspects.

“What is fascinating about this situation is that Congress and the Administration continue to pretend that they do not see a crime committed in plain view. However, the rest of the world sees an unambiguous war crime, particularly with Cheney casually discussing his role on national television.

“This could prove a bit of a problem when Bush, Cheney, and others travel after leaving office. While they would no doubt object to the comparison, there is a similarity with General Augusto Pinochet who was constantly faced with the threat of arrest during international travel. Home countries are generally given the first opportunity to prosecute for such crimes. When they fail to do so, international efforts often follow."

What is the crime involved in the surveillance program?

"The law is equally clear. It is a felony to engage in warrantless surveillance of this kind. Congress has enacted two statutes that provide the sole means by which the government can obtain the necessary approval for electronic surveillance: Title III of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 (“Title III”), 18 U.S.C. § 2510 et seq., and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, 50 U.S.C. § 1801 et seq. Together, Title III and FISA supply “the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance . . . and the interception of domestic wire, oral, and electronic communications may be conducted.” 18 U.S.C. § 2511(2)(f) (emphasis added). One federal court in Detroit has already declared the program to be unlawful and we challenged the law in the Al-Timimi case."

December 23, 2008
Q&A: Jonathan Turley on Holding Bush and Cheney Accountable

Continues at: legaltimes.typepad.com/ ... /holding-bush-and-cheney-accountable

~OGD~

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Geez, we're going to need categories here for best quotes.

Here's mine for best bailout quote:

I’ve never quite been in this situation before of getting a massive pay cut, no bonus, no longer allowed to stay in decent hotels, no corporate airplane. I have to stand in line at the Northwest counter. I’ve never quite experienced this before. I’ll let you know a year from now what it’s like.

The vice-chairman of GM, Bob Lutz, when asked by Robert Siegal what it was like to operate using money borrowed from the federal government.

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Oh Lord, wont you buy me
A Mercedes Benz
My friends all drive Porches
You must make amends
Work hard all my lifetime
No help from my friends
Oh Lord, wont you buy me
A Mercedes Benz

Oh, oh and could I have that as a hybred where I can substitute chicken broth for gas...

I do not know what this means Seashell.

Life's a bitch and then you die.

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wot?!

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Duck broth will give you more bang fer yer buck!

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Let's be safe and say beef broth is the bangiest.

Did I see a comment where dd failed to speak in gentlemanly terms, so to speak?

(buttseks!!)

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Love your friends, don't eat them...let's just stick to veggie broth!

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OUT OF BOUNDS

I have been appointed official censor of the day.

so secks

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That reminds me of the quote of the week where one our commenters described Cheney as

THE LAME DUCK HUNTER.

I gave him the dd award of the day.

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There actually is a real question as to whether crimes were committed by his predecessor. But I don't expect to get a hearing on that idea here.

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Normally when wishes "a hearing" of an opinion one puts forth an argument supporting the expressed opinion.

From the WP story noted on the TPM front page.

The top Bush administration official in charge of deciding whether to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees to trial has concluded that the U.S. military tortured a Saudi national who allegedly planned to participate in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, interrogating him with techniques that included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold, leaving him in a "life-threatening condition."

"We tortured [Mohammed al-]Qahtani," said Susan J. Crawford, in her first interview since being named convening authority of military commissions by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates in February 2007. "His treatment met the legal definition of torture. And that's why I did not refer the case" for prosecution.

Crawford, a retired judge who served as general counsel for the Army during the Reagan administration and as Pentagon inspector general when Dick Cheney was secretary of defense, is the first senior Bush administration official responsible for reviewing practices at Guantanamo to publicly state that a detainee was tortured.

Torture is prohibited both in USA law and international conventions to which the USA is a signatory. The Bush administration tortured, thus it committed a crime.

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El Presidente -

On page A01 of the Washington Post today is this headline:

Detainee Tortured, Says U.S. Official

Crimes were committed. And now they are acknowledged.

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The President admitted on national teevee that the government had engaged in surveillance prohibited under FISA - an act that constitutes a felony - by his command.

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Pucker up and . . .

Kiss my tailfeathers . . .

Wish to start your own damn thread or just keep crapping in here?

Someone hand me the pool cue ... 8-ball corner pocket.

Crack!

~OGD~

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Oh . . . and . . .

. . . one more thing, El Presidente:

Who cares?

~OGD~

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Blythe Guilt! - on the part of bush.

Arrogant "So what?" - on the part of cheney.

I wonder how they'd look in old fashioned stocks! day after day on the Mall... maybe you could throw shoes... (oh, noes... that would be torture!) Ok, it was just a thought!

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I'm just pointing out that U.S. law might well not apply at all to acts committed on foreign soil, like Guantanamo, and that international treaties banning torture and the like do not carry criminal penalties (if they did, the United States wouldn't sign them).

FISA is a more interesting issue, but even outside of the "Nixon Defense" (You guys saw Frost/Nixon, right? If the President does it, it isn't illegal), there are serious Constitutional and legal impediments to prosecuting the President of the United States for something the FBI did.

I'm not saying there aren't acts of arguable legality. I'm just noting that A. It's arguable. and B. Not all the acts were committed by people Obama is going to want to prosecute.

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The Supreme Court already determined that Guantanamo cannot be accounted "foreign soil." I don't know the name of the case, but somebody else may have the reference.

Those who ordered the torture are the most culpable. And bush has now admitted he knew aobut it and signed off on it.

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The sitting President cannot be prosecuted; he can be impeached. IANAL so after Bush leaves office I have no idea if he can be prosecuted for felonies he committed during his term by authorizing illegal surveillance without a warrant. I hope he can.

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