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How to make an economist cry in five easy steps (An illustrated blog on the meaning of 'economic growth')


(For my feathered friend)

There is something mildly insane about the current econo-pundit debate on the state of the US economy and what should be done about it. They are discussing to what extent the free-market structure of the economy despite current problems is nonetheless quite broadly a success, and hence to what extent it should be reformed (if at all).

What's strange about this debate is the standard of 'success' that all parties seem to agree on: GDP, or GDP growth. The right claims that US growth has outstripped that of other less free-market based economies, and the left claims that it hasn't. The right somewhat misleadingly points to absolute GDP growth whereas the left points to GDP growth adjusted for population growth (the US population is growing faster than the EU or Japan). On the former measure the US leaves the competition far behind, but on the latter the gap narrows significantly. But on either measure the US comes off looking quite good:

gdp vs gdp per capita
Conservatives point to an economy that has almost tripled in size over 35 years and Liberals point to an economy that has almost doubled relative to its population over that period - more or less in line with other developed countries. In short, the liberal end of the spectrum of respectable opinion is that free-market economics is successful, but just not uniquely so.

So, why should the consensual focus on GDP be 'strange'? The idea behind using GDP is that
1.    GDP constitutes a rough measure of how much stuff a society produces, and
therefore
2.    the more stuff people produce, all other things equal the more they have, and
3.    the more stuff they have, all things equal the better off they are.
Now, the inference (3) here is really a matter of moral philosophy which you can argue over until your head falls off. And the premise (1) about GDP being a decent measure of the value of stuff produced can also be picked apart in all kinds of ways.

But inference (2) is really a pretty basic empirical matter: GDP is only a very approximate indicator of the level of prosperity within a society since a lot of other things factor in, and these 'other things' are very rarely 'equal'. If you want to measure the prosperity of a society, you measure the prosperity of the people that compose the society.

So if you're using the amount of stuff people have as a standard of well-being, you should look at household incomes, which will tell you how much stuff people can buy - or their 'purchasing power'. If you point this out to them, economists will oblige and direct you to look at the evolution of average, or 'mean', household incomes, where things look less impressive:
gdp vs household income

 Over 35 years, American households have seen an average increase of 33% in the amount of stuff it can buy. That's still good, though not quite brilliant. Right-wingers, eager to defend the wild success of this economic model, will point out that this income figure only includes cash income, leaving out non-cash benefits such as health care coverage whose cost in absolute terms has increased exponentially over this period. The partial rejoinder here is that you can measure the value of the said health care services independently of their cost: by looking at the health care systems of other countries with comparable outcomes which price those services at half that of the US system. So if the average household gets 15'000 dollars in health care services, those services are worth only 8'000. It's the relative inefficiencies of the US system that in various ways inflate the price of such services. Moreover, the non-cash 'benefits' in other industrialized countries outside of health care, such as job security, labor rights, and unemployment insurance, are hard to quantify though they are clearly of greater value than in the US (otherwise why do we call them 'social welfare states'?).

But, going back to the broader issue, anyone who remembers their high-school statistics class will at this point be reminded of the difference between averages and medians. To jog your memory: if you put Bill Gates in a room full of Mongolian goat-herders, the 'average' wealth in that room may be very high though most people there are nevertheless very poor. If Gates then goes on to steal all their goats, most people in there are even poorer (and likely pissed off...) though the 'average' wealth remains the same. In short, talking in terms of averages can cover up a lot of iniquity.

To get a picture of the overall level of prosperity in a given group, you need to look at how prosperous an ordinary member of that group is, since the wealth might be concentrated amongst some small subset of the group. You need to look at median household income, which you get by ordering the set of households according to their level of income and picking out the income of the household in the middle of that series. So how much better off is the typical middle of the road middle class American family?
 
gdp vs median household income

Now things start looking really embarrassing for all those economists across the existing ideological spectrum who all agree that free markets, free trade, and even to some extent low taxes, are supposed to be wonderful engines of prosperity for at least most members of society. A fifteen percent increase in income for ordinary Americans over a 35 year stretch is hardly something to shout about. It's so embarrassing that economists understandably prefer to talk about that nice abstraction they call GDP growth. Nevertheless, in their defence, fifteen percent growth is still better than nothing, isn't it? Whatever the economic elites are doing, they seem on this measure to at least be making things marginally better. And they will tend to say, in their own defence, that this number is actually skewed by the fact that the size of households has shrunk over that time (from 3 people per household to the current 2.5).

So let us grant them that, and turn away from talk of household income. Let us instead look at individual working adults, the median American worker's income, and see how much more they are taking home if they work full-time:
  gdp vs median worker income

Now you see why I had to use a fancy-pants three-dimensional bar graph: the growth in median wages is pretty much invisible to the naked eye from a horizontal view-point. The median income of full-time workers has not improved at all over the last 35 years: a total of 0.9% in aggregate wage growth. And, no, that's not a typo. The Homer Simpsons of 2007 are making no more than the Archie Bunkers of 1973 (he's the seventies, right...?).

This is pretty shocking. All the increase in income for ordinary families comes from working longer hours. None of the added wealth comes from an increase in the level of wages. Even the Stalinists had figured out how to produce that kind of 'economic growth'.* The fine art of economics was supposed to be about increasing efficiency such that people had more stuff for the same amount of effort. That's what I thought we were paying these people the big bucks for. But all we've got is more stuff through more effort. Not exactly rocket science...

One assumed, or at least I did, that economists - and, on their cue, the media - focused so intensely on GDP numbers because these were a rough but adequate indicator of the level of prosperity in society, that they ignored the actual direct measure of prosperity for ordinary members of society simply because GDP growth approximately reflected the growth in prosperity across society. Sure, you hear every now and then about rising inequality, yet you assume some of those trillions of dollars must 'trickle down'. But these implicit assumptions are wrong. Our 'dismal scientists' actually ignore the real numbers because the real numbers are beyond dismal: they're awful. It's a problem for economists, because they can't keep going around claiming they know what they are doing when they mold society according to the free-market model and show no improvement for ordinary Americans after 35 years of such an experiment. Consequently, they flaunt a number that looks great, yet that number does not reflect what they imply it does. I don't know where these people come from, but where I come from we call that 'lying'.

So the next time you run into an economist, ask him or her whether they think this economic model is a success. And, if so, according to what 'utility function' does
-    throwing another 8 million children under the poverty line**, 
-    making a few thousand old white guys insanely rich, and
-    pretty much leaving everyone else where they were,
amount to economic 'success'?

Or, if he prattles on about the virtues of self-regulating markets, labor flexibility, comparative advantage, just work up your best Cuba Gooding Jr. impression and say
Show Me The Money!
(If you're bored, you can stop reading here. If you have some questions about the numbers presented, keep going...)


Coda. - preemptive responses to some possible quibbles with my numbers

When I first heard these numbers, I found them unbelievable. It just seems impossible to have an economy where workers are 50% more productive than 35 years ago***, and see absolutely no wage gains over that time. So I double-checked (see U.S. Census Bureau, Current Population Reports, P60-236, Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2008, cf. p. 43 on median full-time worker compensation which gives you a median worker income in 1973 of $42'088 in adjusted 2008 dollars, and a median in 2007 of $42'480)****. In general, all the numbers cited come from this report or from the St. Louis Fed, unless otherwise specified.

Since I find these numbers hard to believe, I'll assume you find them hard to believe too. So let me just clarify what I have been careful to do to avoid distorting the figures and the trend in any way.

Firstly, it's easy to misrepresent a trend with graphs, i.e. you can draw graphs which make a trend look great if you start your series at the bottom of a business cycle - in the trough of a recession - and end it at the top of some subsequent expansion. By the same token, it's easy to make things look overly bad by starting at the top of a cycle and ending your series at the bottom of a recession. To avoid misrepresenting things, I've chosen the top of the business cycle which occurred in 1973 (the median worker income for 1972 and 1974 were both below $41'000) as a starting point, and the top of the last business cycle before the start of the current recession as an end-point.
Yet note that, if the current recession is as bad as the 1974 and 1981 recessions, then median worker (and household) incomes can be expected to fall 6% from the peak in 2007. If it turns out to be worse and more prolonged than those previous recessions, then they could fall up to 10%, to wage levels last seen in the 1960's.
Here is a graph of the trend lines for these GDP and income measures going back to the 60's
 
gdp vs median household income

Another thing that might distort the picture of wage evolution for American workers is ignoring the possible effect of low-wage immigration, whereby what superficially looks like wage stagnation in fact hides a reality in which ordinary Americans may be seeing wage-increases and are just being replaced by new entrants on the lower end of the wage-scale thus making it misleadingly appear as though there is no progress. So I looked at that as well. If you focus only on the group called 'non-Hispanic whites' in the census figures, you should get numbers independent of this 'immigration effect'. And what do they show? Median household incomes for this group rose 16.9% over the '73-'07 period as compared to 14.5% for the general population, and if you then account for the increase in number of workers per household, you have a still insignificant increase of 3% over 35 years in wages for non-immigrants. So it doesn't look like introducing this 'immigration' excuse into the conversation changes things materially. (There are other ways in which immigration can possibly affect wage levels, but I won't get into that here).

A third point worth making is that I'm using figures for pre-tax income. So if you are to get a figure for median net income - income you can spend on 'stuff' - you need to find out how much less the median family now pays in taxes. I don't have an exact figure for that, though, roughly, payroll taxes have risen and income taxes have fallen. One source asserts that the average net effect of these changes on incomes for the bottom 90% of Americans is a tax cut of only 2% (but, again 'averages' are not 'medians', caveat emptor). So it's possible that changes in levels of taxation do not materially affect the accuracy of the picture I sketch above. But, beyond that, current tax rates are in any case unsustainable given the size of the long-term deficits the government is running. So the marginal improvement that has occurred due to tax-cuts that are not paid for (by a commensurate reduction in government spending) is largely illusory. 

A fourth way in which some uncertainty gets injected into these numbers is estimates concerning the inflation rate. Some believe the CPI overstates inflation, as, say, the improvement in our tech hardware (personal computers, mobile phones, cars) is not adequately accounted for - thereby obscuring real increases in wage levels. Others believe the CPI understates inflation, as, say, falling food quality (think faeces-infested hamburger meat or GM corn that causes organ damage) is not adequately accounted for - thereby obscuring the underlying erosion in real wage levels. I have my own half-baked ideas on this, the upshot of which is that the CPI understates inflation for the typical basket of goods purchased by lower-income brackets and overstates it for the typical basket purchased by higher-income brackets. In which case the trend towards greater inequality is worse than it appears.

And finally, if you think that wage evolution in those socialist hell-holes must surely be even worse than in the US, take a look at this graph. It's just anecdotal evidence, but if you look at the particular case of manufacturing wages (production workers, excluding management, etc) you get an inverse relationship in the rate of GDP growth a country achieves versus the rate of wage growth they achieve: the Japanese, who have had the worst GDP growth over the last 20 years, have had the greatest wage growth.

And with that, I bid you good day.
 
Footnotes.
* To the extent that most Americans have seen economic growth in any tangible way, it's been in the form of Soviet-style economic growth. The USSR in the '50s had an economy that grew at an impressive rate leading Khrushchev to say 'We will bury you' - by which he meant economically outperform us. But that growth came pretty much exclusively from rapidly bringing more people - men and women - into the workforce as a way of boosting production. Once full employment was reached, the economy stagnated. And once more and more of that economy was dedicated to producing stuff like guns and tanks that normal people can't really use, the economy fell apart as the stagnating productivity/production rate combined with less and less of that 'product' going to households to create shortages in household goods. That is what is happening here (or, ahem, at least the first part of that story): median household incomes are up only because there are more workers working more hours in most American households.

** This number reflects the increase in the number of children under the poverty line. The 1973 rate was 14.5%, and it is currently (end-year 2009) running at 21% and rising. 14.5% of 50 million in total child population in 1973 is 7.25 million, and 21% of 75 million children now is 15.75 million children. This gives you an increase of 8.5 million in the number of children in poverty. Of course that does not take into account the cumulative effect of this 35 year trend, which would make the number of children affected over the years much higher. (And, if you were wondering: no, discounting the effect of immigration does not materially affect this trend.)  I should however note that the poverty rate for seniors has been almost halved over the same time-span. See graph here for the evolution of the poverty rate for various sections of the population.

*** I.e. there are now roughly twice as many workers producing roughly three times more stuff.

**** More precisely put, I've taken the weighted average of the median male and median female full-time worker compensation: - 1973: 39,581,000 full-time male workers with a median of $48,452 and 17,195,000 females with a median of $27,440. - 2007: 62,984,000 males with a median of $46,846 and 45,613,000 females with a median of $36,451.
 

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Great post Obey. The last graph illustrates perfectly what you are describing, along with the goat herder-Bill Gates analogy. We areproducing more but the fruits of that production benefits a miniscule number of Americans. Every once in a while the rain will trickle down in parts of the Sahara but that doesn't mean it isn't anything but a desert.

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Thanks Libertine. Glad you liked it. Yeah, I was personally expecting to see pretty weak wage growth, but 'nothing'? Really? it just amazes me...

Just realized the graphs for some reason aren't clear - bad resolution. Do others have that problem...? The originals are here
http://affect-matters.blogspot.com/2010/01/blog-post.html
if anyone wants to take a closer look. If you click on them the resolution is pretty decent, in any case.

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Yeah most of the graphs posted here have resolution problems. I checked the link and they are much clearer there.

And what you posted here gives me the facts to back up what I have longed believed...we, the American worker, are no better off, and in a real sense worse off when looking at how the top wage earners fared, than we were 30-40 years ago.

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...and that denial of resources to the consumer class (the middle class) finally managed to trickle up to the rich, and we had to bail them out with tax money to save this antiquated system.


The rich (AKA Wall Street) were so desperate to give us our spendable money as credit, rather than wages, they literally starved the middle class goose that laid their golden eggs.

Call me a layman, but that's how I see it.

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Well I don't entirely follow all you have in this blog, but I do get the general gist of it.

It does say one thing to me though. We are generating far, far to many business majors and far to few really good mechanics.

(Hope my car is ready by Friday.)

C

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Thanks for reading, C. And good luck with the car.
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Thanks Obey. Nice thing about math and statistics...they can be used to prove anything you already believe...any way you want.

With luck car will be ready tomorrow sometime.

{crossing fingers...toes...legs...what not}

C

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Good grief, Obey-wan! The work you put into this is astounding! Well done! I knew we kept a few of you of the genius-persuasion arounf the Cafe for a reason. :-}
Damn--I think you should email this to Josh; it would be great for so many more folks to see this on the front page.
Or email it to Dean Baker or something.
I appreciate how you looked at so many different potential variables, and plugged in the values, and recalibrated the math. Pretty good, you old pug. Thanks for such a great presentation.

p.s. My bird photos were blurry, too. Maybe Moveable Type limits the pixels or something.

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Oh I might try Baker. He's been pretty decent about responding in the past. But actually, he's one of the culprits in this story. In a lot of ways he's MORE free-market than conservatives are. But at least he tries to be empirical about it, which I like.

And thanks for the praise. Writing it was pretty fast, but the graphs were a bitch - GAWD I hate movable type....

Just learning excel these days and so played around with these numbers during some off-time.

Sooo pleased you liked it.

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You be awesome, my dear pug!
I am embarrassed I did not pick up on Baker's free market bent. (I confess I don't ususally read him, but I saw one column last week I liked.)
There needs to be more effort like this to de-construct the conventional wisdoms that pass for fact lately.
Like the TV anchors and pundits that equate the Dow Jones/Nasdaq numbers with national financial health; after all we just went through, and the crap they sort of reported on, it seems the height of laziness to not explore underneath those numbers, especailly as some news-worthy stories lie beneath them.
(she scratches head...)
I'm going to go see if the 'hearings' are on C-span. I did not know they were only scheduled for TWO DAYS before reading Jon Taplins piece on the goofiness of them. I have been wandering around muttering, "2 days,,,2 days,,,'

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Oh I really like Baker. He at least believes in free markets through and through, and not just when it's convenient to some corporate interest. His criticism of the current Health care system is that it's not open to international competition. I.e. not free enough.

Oh and what are these hearings of which you speak, my dear? I must be waaay out of the loop...

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TheFinancial Crisis Inquiry, or whatever; Phil Anglelides NOT-Pecora Commission. Looks like it might be just theater, no Special Prosecutor was appointed. Internet is full of economists offering lists of which questions must be asked--
Libe-blogging sounds like:
OOh-ooh! Almost, but not quite!
Maybe the next questioner!---Nope!
(break should be over; 10 minute breaks average 30 or so...Gavel!)

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Oh god. That thing. Well, let us know if anything happens. Though I'm not really holding my breath...

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Shades of Alberto Gonzalez is my guess. I couldn't bring myself to watch it. And the few tidbits I've seen reported just pissed me off.

Maybe we should bring back the old-school meaning of stocks ... I'd love to throw a few rotten tomatoes at these dicks. I say a week in the stocks for every million in bonus - and two for every million in deferred stock. ;-)

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BRING BACK ELIOT SPITZER!!!
He and 4 buddies did a big open letter in the NY Times, cataloging the questions that HAD to be asked; can't wait for his report card...

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You are fantastic. Sorting and interpreting economic data for the non-MBA reader -- thank you, Obey. Of course, now thoroughly depressed, as are many others, that I've worked all these years to make virtually the same wage at the end of my career that I did at the beginning, but I knew that -- I just didn't know the big picture why.
What's your next topic for study? Looking forward to it.

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Next subject? hm, I'm thinking

Heidegger v Chuang Tse: Metaphysical Cage Match

... any takers?

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Whatever you chose to write is what we shall read, Obey, although the combo you named is somewhat pugnacious.

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Only half joking actually. I shall get to work milady...

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Chuang's the dude.

Mealy-mouthed Martin's goin' dowwwwwwwn.

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Wowza. I've had econo-phobia since my ECON 101 prof made Bueller's teacher seem like a blast. Lots of info to sift through here, but thanks for making it so accessible.

Great lunchtime read, but FYI - I'll be sending you the bill for my indigestion :)

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Oh right! Blame it on my blog and not on the three brownies you just wolfed down!
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This is serious stuff as you put it Obey and there is a life/death urgency to much of this post. But I gotta give you the Dayly Line of the Day Award for this here TPMCafe Site, given to all of you from all of me for this gem:

Now, the inference (3) here is really a matter of moral philosophy which you can argue over until your head falls off.

I was laughing so hard at this line I had to walk around a bit and then attempt reread the entire post for content.

This is a great post Obey.

You almost translate the econ jargon into something idiots like me can understand.

This is one gem of a post.

Thank you.

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ZE PRIZE!!

Why thank ye kindly. I need to get a shelf for these or something. I must have at least THREE of these things...
just made my day!

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Great blog, Obey; I'm overwhelmed by your indefatigable perspicacity not to mention all the effort that its production called for.

Trying to adjust for inflation -- especially over a long period of time -- drives me crazy and leaves me throwing up my hands.

Products change -- compare a 2010 VW Golf with a 1973 Ford Maverick -- and societies' interests and desires change -- compare today's McMansion with a 1973 ranch or today's internet with a 1973 white wrapped Playboy.

Hedonics is tough.

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We ought to ask Obey to compare prices on that Eames Chair from '76 to present, though, in the interest of full disclosure.
Yeah, Obey!

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Why thanks. High praise coming from you, Ellen. You know alot more about this inflation stuff than me. Like I said, my thoughts are rarely fully baked...

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Obey--that blog o' mine timed out but I wanted you to know about these other products in case you're in need. Here's the comment and response. Again, great job. Bookmarked. And:

Bookmarked! Thanks, Wendy. Good stuff to know. I'm always on the outlook for natural anti-inflammatory stuff because I'm kinda permanently inflamed... uh, not in a good way...
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January 14, 2010 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink


Ho Ho! The Old Man and I are ,too! We've worked physically so bloody hard all our lives; we forgot that joints would wear out, oh, jeez. Thought stretching and yoga plus hard work would keep us kewl; uh...not so much. We also have lots of actual body work tools:
SpineWorks (new, and great)
Ma Rollers
Thera-canes (for digging into rigid muscles-bundles)
Foot rollers...and on and on. (all are google-able)
And the joint products! Oy! First thing I do every morning is spray Stopain on every joint; I call it 'The Oil Can,' and I say it just like the rusted Tin Man did. (Comes out 'Errl Cnnn.')
On the Bad Pain days, I go out on the front porch during occassional thunderstorms and yell, "Hey Lightning; over here!" Sometimes my husband joins me...then we kill ourselves laughing when our cries go unheeded.

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Thanks Wendy. These internets are kinda funny this way but I'm technically speaking just into my thirties - though my body seems to think otherwise... One of those things. I've got some kind of auto-immune condition which involves inflamations of various sorts that require a ton of drugs which would be nice to cut back on. I'm trying the basil for now...

oh, and someone told me to go to Pilates, but guys can't do that, can they?
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If it's RA, do google about celadrin, topical and gelcaps, and turmeric.

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No. Its something quaintly called Marie Strumpell's disease. Doesn't sound like a baseball player to me...

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She sounds like an Old French Whore, our Marie Strumpet does.

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Great stuff, Obey. (And glad to hear you're learning Excel, as I'm busy trying to figure out how these RSS thingies work. I mean, I get how they work, but I'm not quite sure how to shut them off. 7,000 stories and climbing.... Still, more fun than Excel!)

The next step along your progression would be probably be to attack the use of GDP at all. That is, to recalculate for all the defensive expenditures people have to make, the loss of various natural/social amenities, etc. It interested me to see that Joe Stiglitz and AK Sen both contributed to Sarkozy's Report on this last Fall. While it felt really underdeveloped to me - and less than flashy in its insights - I was still pleased to see some more coverage of the issues. NYT.

So can we expect that in Econo Hot Shots, Part le Deux? ;-)

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Yes Jedi master!
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The point here was to tell people how to make economists cry and why they should. And you can't really do that without some kind of hard number to slap them around with. Anyhoo, that was the idea. Of course best of all would be to wean them off these numbers in the first place, but that's one hell of a long blog, I'm guessing.

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I cannot tell you how many hours I spent in rooms with these North American peckerheads going on about how Europe was a failure, and its economy pathetic, based on comparing - straight up - absolute GDP growth. Population change?? Irrelevant, apparently. The game was just to make that big GDP number bigger. What that meant to the household/consumer was completely irrelevant. Ye Gods.

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the household/consumer was completely irrelevant

Ohyez

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Fantastic post. Progressives still need to figure out how to convince people that we've been getting screwed by the man for going on forty years now. It really does "feel" like we're wealthier in America vis a vis Europe, because we have big homes, big yards, big cars, hell, a lot more big crap generally. It leads to a "who you gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes" type argument that we haven't successfully countered.

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Thanks Brew. A lot factors in there. Like I could have gone on to lay out the big difference is hours worked - roughly an American household works 20% more than Northern Europeans. That adds up to a lot of stuff I imagine. And then there is the implicit subsidy of car-driving through low gas and highway taxes. Which then translates into urban sprawl as it incentivizes people to trade off distance travelled for space lived. and then...

Oh geez... this is a whole nuthu blog...
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Amazing post, Obey - really detailed proof
that reads despondently clear.

The wheat from the chaff has been winnowed
The people redundant are minnowed
Pale oligarchs drool
while derivative fools
cut our wage growth
unjustly to
zero.

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Amazing how you just produce these fine little pieces Strato. Thanks.

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Man! This is a most excellent post!
Holy cow!
It'll take me some time to re-read this and chew on it... but...
WOW!

Thank you very much.
Highly Rec'd!

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This reminds me of a conversation that I had with my Father that ended with him giving me the bird.

One morning, over coffee, about 15 years ago, I asked him how much money he made in in 1975. He told me... I don't remember what that was, but it doesn't matter.

I asked him what he was making now.... He told me... I don't remember what it was, but it doesn't matter.

I then engaged him in a discussion about "Inflation"... About how much more a car or a house cost (15 years ago)... about how much more EVERYTHING cost (15 years ago)...
I told him that it took 5 dollars "today" to equal ONE dollar then...
We discussed "why" this is...

Eventually I pointed out that he was making roughly FIVE TIMES the salary he was making in 1975... So...
In effect...
After all that time he HAD NOT RECEIVED A RAISE!!!!

That's when I got the finger.

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Nice story Icky. Yup, inflation is also a good way to keep people from realizing they ain't going nowhere...

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D'OH! (Smacks his forehead) Any post on economics that I can read and even partially comprehend must be genius. Thanks for giving me some ammunition for my private 'war-for-a-raise."

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Much appreciated. Good luck with that war, Smith!

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Thank you, Pug. So very much. I am in your debt. You have offered me a rather blunt instrument and I plan on using it someday.

I have been thinking on our situation, and one thing that has always struck me as false is that we are told that we have so much STUFF, it's all our fault, because we're always buying buying buying STUFF.

I submit my mixmaster.

It is a circa cloth cord mixmaster that I fell in love with at a Goodwill store maybe 25 years ago. My mother, rightly alarmed at my folly took it to a repair shop and had them replace the cloth cord, although it worked just fine.

I still have it. How many mixmasters do people go through in 25 years? Maybe it isn't that we buy "so much stuff" maybe it is that we are constantly replacing "stuff."

At any rate, thank you for confirming my rather emotional empirical nonsense. It's good to know I'm not THAT crazy.

=D

xoxoxo

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It is both Bwak. People think I am crazy because I put money into repairing my car instead of just buying a new one. But it is payed for and will continue to do it's function just fine after it is fixed.

I am like this with most things and see no reason to replace something that works just fine. My TV is nearly 20 years old and except for the picture tube being a little soft, still works better than most shows deserve.

I buy generally on an as needed basis and even then only after doing a great deal of research.

I also build a lot of my electronics as well. Speakers, amps...what not. I enjoy it.

So I guess I am strange or just out of the main stream. So be it.

New does not necessarily mean better and old does not necessarily mean poor.

C

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I don't think you are crazy

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Thanks chicken.

{smooch}

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Glad you liked it, Chicken! It's not exactly the point you're making but there is an obsession with 'stuff' that you get when - as Q says - you have a whole elite obsessed with pumping up GDP. Because unless it is quantifiable 'stuff' they can't include it in their GDP numbers which they want to look good. So you end up with a society whose priorities and incentives are all skewed towards 'stuff' without really thinking about all the less immediately tangible things you're giving up on in the process. Anyway, just an additional thought...

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Most excellent job Obey!

I think the piece that is missing is from the perceptual component - namely the function of debt. (Just) folks say, "If it is so bad, why don't we know it?" There are lots of reasons, including folks not being very reflective and children not knowing beans about what their parents were doing. However, by adding workers per family/household, and adding debt (credit cards, home equity, etc) people have maintained consumption (even increased it) while wages have stagnated. So people "look like" they are "keeping up." while overall they are falling behind. Meanwhile, people have been forced into using debt/credit just to function in this country (see what happens if you try to book an airline ticket with cash - or rent a car). It is also shown by other studies that people are not frivolously using debt to just consume - but to meet relatively basic needs (food, medical bills, school supplies, etc)

But debt and its operation and function in this economy is a whole other line of analysis and debate.

This post is truly an exceptional analysis and I would recommend it with 5 stars out of 5 if that were possible.

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Yes, debt is an important part of the story. That was supposed to be changing, but I don't see it. Of course the 'average' savings rate is going up (those poor bankers just can't find a way to spend all that money...), but the indicators I have seen suggest that the 'median' household is not saving - mainly because it is not able to given the current usury rates applied. And as long as that continues, the more you get a disconnect between the top 10-20% and the rest of the country.

As for the perceived superior quality of life in the US compared to Europe, I really don't know wtf people are talking about. Do these people realize the pretty awesome quality of life in France or Italy outside the urban centers on income well below the US median? Or the quality of life that comes with a small flat in the center of Paris? I mean who the hell WANTS a car in Paris? I get the impression that people just don't really know what they are talking about when comparing the US and the EU.

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Bit late to the party, but BRILLIANT! Thank you!!

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Obey, do you have room for growth of the first bar as it seems Wall St got a $145 billion bonus alone in 2009? These are Financial Einsteins defying the gravity of a painful recession - thousands of shuttered businesses, hundreds of collapsed banks, a cheapened dollar, double digit unemployment.

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Hi Qwerty. Just lost a longish response to you about the financial sector and GDP. oh well.

In short, the financial sector counts about 8% towards GDP which is really wierd because they clearly don't produce anything anyone can use. It just functions as a kind of private IRS - a tax service that redistributes funds from the general population to bankers. So, yea, that first bar needs about 8% lopped off.

We could of course go on and lop off another 8% since the health care industry is only producing half the value that they're claiming. And then there's the defence industry, half of whose product is of no value to anyone - though perhaps of negative value to all those on the receiving end... I don't know how much you end up lopping off as you go down this track, but beyond what I say in the blog, if you end up lopping off 1/3 in this way, then there's been NO real growth in GDP. Which makes me wonder where the super-rich got all their so-called 'money' from. A mystery...

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(looks in bank account)

Not really.....

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Great work! Thank you!

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Really well done Obey. I have bookmarked this as it will come in handy in the future. I really appreciate the work you put in to making this easily understood.

I am in agreement with the mighty q that the next step should be to incoporate the social amenities that GDP misses- 6 weeks of vacation a year is huge, as is health care. I would love to see you do a follow up (even though that is much harder to quantify).

I would also love to see you do a post on your inflation theory. I think you are really on to something there. It does seem that as technology increase food quality for the lower classes falls, while the better half get amazing gadgets.

Anyways, spot on. Great Job.

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Thanks Sal! Yeah, I thought I'd throw my little inflation theory out there, but gotta do a lot of number-crunching to really see if it holds up. Maybe during my next six-week vacation...
;0)

As for Q's point, I'll look into it though I assume alot of other people know alot more about this than I'll ever do.

btw - where the hell's the algae, dude?! (
(No, I NEVER forget...haha)

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Obey you are number one. The comments are terrific. The discussion is terrific.

It is great that you have just about doubled all recommendations.

But I just thought, could you lend me a couple thousand Euros for a year or so?

hahahahahahah

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EUROS? Man, all we have here in Switzerland is Gold Bullion, sorry. Gotta carry it around in crates. A pain in the ass.
;0)

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And diamonds?

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That's not as ludicrous as you think, Wendy. I know someone in Europe whose consultant fees were once paid in diamonds when his client's Euros were allegedly short. (Don't know if bullion was an option.)

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Cry doesn't do it for me. Given the level of corruption and criminal conduct I can think of a rhyming word that feels more appropriate.

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"I can think of a rhyming word that feels more appropriate"
- are you thinking of 'pie'? Because I DEFINITELY don't want to make these people pie. That was NOT my intention...
:0)

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Pie is good. In the face.

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Thank you ma'am!

(doffs hat, bows, shuffles off stage)

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*Snigger* (I just loves to see pugs *shuffle*, don't ask me why). Great post Obey. Bookmarked.

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VERY nice, Obey. :-)

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