Live Blogging is Lame
If, as former Washington Post publisher Phil Graham once famously said, journalism is the "first rough draft of history," what can one say about "live blogging?" At virtually every major event these days we are treated to shots of some youngsters sitting in a special area at their laptops and headphones engaged in this pursuit. But I wonder, is it just me, or does anyone really get anything out of them? No knock on Josh Marshall, but take a look at his live blog of tonight's presser. Maybe it's the format - it's tough to pay attention to what is going on and write something meaningful at the same time. So let me coin my own, hastily conceived, iteration. Live blogging is the note taking of history. I can wait for the rough draft.
















Not half as lame as Twitter-blogging - FAIL of the century that. also.
March 24, 2009 9:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's hard to imagine anything thoughtful coming from something called twitter. But they tell me that in the future, we will all be twittering... all the time... nothing but twitter, twitter, twitter the whole day through.
March 24, 2009 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
No knock on Josh Marshall, but take a look at his live blog of tonight's presser.
It shouldn't even be considered a knock. Can I make it a chance to voice this one reader's preferences? Because it's just sad to see his time spent on it.
Go back and read his old essays published in Washington Monthly or something like this book review he wrote for The New Yorker in 2005. And compare and contrast the reader's value for their time.
It's an ok learning tactic, I guess, for a 20-something blogger who might be new to deconstructing politics, as long as they make it interactive in some way and truly learn something from it. Similar to young people learning to be social in a chat room, I guess.
But for someone with Marshall's talent at thoughtful writing, I just find it sad that he spends the time on it. I have always preferred his longer, more thought-out blog posts to his one liners as well. The latter aren't of much use to me as a reader at all. And as to the former, I have wonder if the loss of their frequency since he took on publisher/editor duties of a large website was worth the trade, much less worth a trade for "live blogging."
March 24, 2009 10:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. I've found myself less and less interested in some of the knee-jerk opinionating on the "front page" these days, although I do think it provides a useful service. And it is the wave of the present and future, so it's best to ride it, and he is riding it quite well. The live blogging, though, I mean, it's become obligatory to announce the live blogging of an event, but does anyone actually pay attention?
I'm looking forward to the New Yorker link.
March 24, 2009 10:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Free Pretties - Trampled at The Swineherd's Feet
Hey, It's Customer Support - Could Hell Be Any Worse? - This indication of profitability fail should trouble Twitter's investors. A third-party commercial online business service provider has repackaged Twitter's free feeds, as added functionality to their commercial product. Rehashed Twitter trash wrapped inside shiny widgitized packaging, pitched as a sure-fire no-pain customer service department productivity gain, so it it fails, it's time to seriously consider gaining productivity from outsourcing the department over to those English as a 1st colonialized language speaking call centers in India.
Now for the darkside: If you think the signal to noise ratio in search engine results is already unacceptably low, please remain in a sitting position, hang-onto the security rail in front of you, and keep your hands completely inside the roller-coaster car...
Note to self: a media source that publishes journalists musing with Great Expectorations about vanity web-searches for themselves, probably should not be considered a 1st tier source for tech news. That's not even through the looking glass...March 25, 2009 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Pseudo: After your outstanding comment on MJ Rosenberg's blog the other day - probably the only time I will ever agree with ColinDaleofLondon (I think that's his name) - and now snappy writing like this ("Rehashed Twitter trash wrapped inside shiny widgitized packaging, pitched as a sure-fire no-pain customer service department productivity gain"), I now pronounce myself a follower. Lead me.
PS. I really can't understand what you're talking about here, but I'm sure it makes sense.
March 25, 2009 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
sorry - it's a part of an ongoing dialog I'm having with AA about Twitter. Two previous posts of mine still on my user front page were about the Twitter service and Republicans who fail using it. Those might be helpful. I tend to traverse almost horizon level low elliptic orbits at high velocity.
March 25, 2009 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't know you were in Alcoholics Anonymous! Why do they care if you tweet? :-)
March 25, 2009 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
and thanks for complimenting the M.J.R. comment, it was difficult to compose, reaching towards spaces that i'm a damn fool to tread.
March 25, 2009 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I just went back to check and have discovered that, alas, I have yet to agree with COLINDALE London. Still, I share the sentiments of DanK and mythbuster from opposite sides of the Israeli/Palestinian question (though we have agreed on occasion), so despite your apparent hesitance you must have done something right.
March 25, 2009 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
i waited until this thread had been pushed off the TPM front page roll to respond. this stream is liable to take a walk of the wild-side, and is not appropriate for the casual TPM reader, but i sense you can hang...
i have some difficulty sensing where the battle lines lie in debates about Israel and the occupied territories (i am aware that this is an antiquated phrase, but also believe it carries validity), and for this reason i do not often comment in threads about it. if some future comment of mine on this topic strikes you as being excessively harsh towards Israel, understand that as an American, i hold My Nation's actions to a much higher standard than I do the rest of the world, and i hold our allies to at least honestly attempting to walk upon the higher ground. a nation that uses as its referent standard to judge propriety in its waging war, the acts of its enemy, has defeated itself from within. Arafat was an evil man, whose lack of honour is self-evident from his long life. someone who asserts a right to resist the dominant power, sending other people's children, siblings and spouses filled with suicidal intents out to target non-combatants, that lives past the age of 30 is a preponderate hypocrite. if the Palestinians had properly applied the lessons of Gandhi, this would have ended long ago at a substantially smaller cost in human life and suffering. i have also come to view Sharon as just the flip-side of the same evil coin of the realm that Arafat's head in stamped upon. you cannot forcibly remove a people from land they are chained to by a millennial bond of ancestry to those buried in the community's graveyard, and not expect them to resist with violence. would you or i do otherwise with far shorter ties to the past? a people inexorably pushed into smaller and smaller enclaves will never be pacified, and will at some point respond as caged animals. to sow these seeds straight into the abyss' howling wind is to assure a harvest of whirlwinds. i don't have answers, but can see this is a never-ending loop of an eye for any eye, and will only end badly, with all who are within becoming piteously blind, hopelessly groping for a path leading them out of their muddy ditch reality.
hesitancy was not what made my MJR post difficult. the difficulty was from contemplation of war, and not wanting to awaken demons of my own creation that spread the war sickness. it is malarial in nature, never cured, but can be laid dormant for long periods of time. i am affected lightly in comparison to most others, and believe this is because i never consciously willed to end another human's life with an overt act. i am adverse using PTSD to describe the war sickness, because it is not manifest from a disorder. it is direct proof that a person has survived war still in possession of their humanity.
it is possible to be guilty, yet not blameworthy, and i would love to thump the head of the person who coined the phrase, "survivor guilt". i realise that it was created in an effort to help people, whose reaction to past experiences has made them dysfunctional in the present. yet on this charge, i freely admit guilt, as i survived, while others including two friends did not. i am guilty for being mortal, for being blind to even the near future, for being incapable of selling my soul to a extra-human power for just one change in the past. in all of this, there is no blame, but still, i survive
March 26, 2009 1:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
jesus help us. What a thought. What an essay.
I am speechless. God protect you Pseudo.
March 26, 2009 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
My heart is w/ you, Ant...
March 26, 2009 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
I third their sentiments.
Although I was expecting Gloria Gaynor at the end. ("I will survive...")
March 26, 2009 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe I could find good use for a cover of it. Do you realise that in this one thread you've asserted your lack of fogeyism, and then referenced a song from the apex of the disco infernal? Besides, the Dope song is closer to the intended feeling desired to be conveyed, and often comes with an added slap up side there head bonus for persons unfamiliar with the band. Paranoia is another Dope song I like...
March 26, 2009 8:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fogey
Fogey
Fogies
March 26, 2009 8:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh.
Shut up.
Good grief! Fogey-dom strikes again!
March 24, 2009 10:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm too young to be a fogey. But I do suffer from that affliction, along with too many others to even begin mentioning here. Well, we could start with the knees and work our way up... Oy vey!
March 24, 2009 10:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe, it isn't Josh who has changed.
March 24, 2009 10:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope, keep talking... you're entitled to your opinion.
March 24, 2009 10:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
By the way, I will be live blogging the Geithner plan.
March 24, 2009 10:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh. Good. Looking forward to it.
March 24, 2009 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Delighted! I can always use an addition to Chicken Soup for Soulless Economists!
March 25, 2009 9:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
And my opinion was what? You ain't up on slang, GF.
March 24, 2009 10:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not the blogging, it's the blogger. When I was young, back in the 1950s, we had something similar. It was called live on the spot reporting. Done by the right people it was very effective, but by those who were less adept it was really bad.
C
March 24, 2009 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
In sports, it's called play by play. But who wants to read Marv Albert live blogging the NBA finals?
March 24, 2009 11:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Twitter. Ugh. There is a type of person I avoid like the plague and that is the type that never meets a thought they cannot voice. Twitter gives these people permission to turn off their inner sensor permanently. What a nightmare for the rest of us.
March 25, 2009 12:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
ROFL. ;)
Ah, O. I like your crankiness.
No, I don't find it to be that obnoxious. I have one and have been following two of my fav bloggers for 9 months or so. Smaller blogs and Californians. I like it. I need a new account with this name in order to follow the bigger bloggers like Josh and Duncan. I read their twitters sporadically. Mostly I keep in touch with my friends in mine.
March 25, 2009 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is Mr. Marshall twittering as well? Ooh la la.
March 25, 2009 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd show up to see you live-blog Geithner's plan. Seriously, I would. You'd be funny. ;)
But before you do that, change that avatar! Bernal is hot.
March 25, 2009 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
My wife would agree. Haven't seen him around much recently though.
March 25, 2009 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like Josh's live-blogging. Seriously. I think he's funny and I came in for everyone of his live-blogging of the election debates. That's not to say that I don't like his longer pieces here and elsewhere too. I like those as well but the format and context is different no? It's like reading a book and then seeing the movie. They are two different mediums and therefore have different constraints and thereby bring out different voices in each medium.
Demanding that he always be deep and thoughtful in one specific form and voice is limiting and mean. Furthermore to expect it does not indicate a drawback for him but for you, Dear Horatio, who thinks to wear a chastity belt of the mind and would impose it on others. Heh. ;)
So no -- liveblogging is not lame. Come.on!
March 25, 2009 11:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
It was just my observation after checking out the live blog posted last night. Every time someone promises to live blog an event, I wonder who is tuning in for these "real time" observations. Now I know, and I'm glad you got someting out of it - really.
I do hope I didn't come across as mean. Henceforth, methinks I should loosen the chastity belt a notch - one never knows what pleasures may await.
March 25, 2009 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Josh live-blogged a presser. Seriously?
What's there to say: Obama is now reading the next line from the teleprompter?
March 25, 2009 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL. ;) You mean like this?
March 25, 2009 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha! ;-)
March 25, 2009 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even if Obama was reading a teleprompter,and it went blank, he'd still be doing it better than Bush ever did. At least when the teleprompter's screen is blank, Obama's mind isn't.
Buttface.
March 26, 2009 9:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
All blogging is lame. That is the point.
March 25, 2009 1:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
No you do not understand, because you only perceive those slatternly go all the way on the first embrace of technology dates; twits with an overinflated sense of self-worth from their mutually blown-up trial circus animal balloons, who believe they are blazing an uncharted path, without ever having to leave the comfort of their own silk pajamas, towards a scintillating future fame as the new Phoenix arising atop the ashes of The MSM's apocalyptic burn. Give 'em a break; even lamer geek wannabes gotta dream.
Live blogging is actually a very suitable platform for some purposes. Live reporting entertainment and high society events are especially suitable for it, because face the facts; no matter how uncomfortable you may be having to sit through a John Tesh concert, that's still a far far better thing than watching 1/2 of Mary Hart of TV.
It's also a good platform for blindingly quick, excessively jaded, etched in sarcastic acid writers doing real time analysis of live news events, but that's not Live-Blogging - It's Live-Flogging.
March 25, 2009 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see my future: live blogging the next John Tesh concert tour. The silk pajamas are on the ironing board, the first step as I plot my ascent to the top of the MSM funeral pyre.
March 25, 2009 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Blogging should be properly viewed as a great evolutionary leap on the net, because it greatly lowered the entry bar for a universality of participation. It's still just a tool, and method that reach towards universal access to free communication will always come laden with a lowest common denominator downside. I'm one who desires high signal to noise, yet still firmly believe that freedom, justice and liberty must be for all or for none. This part of the equation should be fixed with the application of personal filters. If limitations are placed on the accessibility side, there will surely be irreparable loss from a few possessing valuable insight, yet had no voice. The expansion of enfranchisement is a worthy goal.
Twitter is a communications tool (as is blogging), and has a valid place in many persons' tool-sets The 140 character max per message greatly limits where it can be effectively used though. Someone who waxes evangelical about using a tool should always be view dubiously. The wheel is very cool, but it still ain't going to drive you through the mote in god's eye. There are many trails leading to superior paths, but all require the use of proper forms, and action precipitated from an exercise of good faith. What matters is the arrival, not what horse you rode in on.
March 25, 2009 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not even a high horse?
=D
March 25, 2009 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hereby award you the Dayly Line of the Day for this TPMC blog given to all of you from all of me.
For this line:
"Live blogging is the note taking of history. I can wait for the rough draft."
March 25, 2009 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Given your astonishingly prolific (and might I add consistently high-quality) oeuvre, it is an honor. Let me start by thanking my lovely wife... and of course, all the live bloggers out there who make this job so easy.
March 25, 2009 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
tweeter tweeter tweeter. hahahahah
March 25, 2009 3:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
March 25, 2009 3:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Better than dead blogging.
March 25, 2009 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Now you are insulting my current occupation.
March 25, 2009 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I heard that you weren't well. Have you passed on to meet Che once again? I loved the songs.
March 25, 2009 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
" Siddhartha can't even get the frakkin candle lit/ROFLMAO!" liveblogged the monk.
March 25, 2009 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Au contraire, one shouldn't make blanket black/white judgements about the utility of liveblogging.
I learned much by following an American olim radical settler type who was warblogging the Gaza operation @ a site known as "The Muqata".
That said, I didn't follow Josh's liveblogging as I've found that others are better in that format. No dis on him, but a facility for rapid responses seems more the province of the rabble of innerweb commenters/posters than those who build careers on their writing/analysis skills in a traditional mileu.
Although, reporters of the sort who covered crime/cop beats on the fly would be an exception to the above. Ditto for those working "hot" conflicts on the ground.
March 25, 2009 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
True in all respects. I suppose live blogging is better suited to describing events on the ground - not televised Presidential debates or pressers. I'm open to suggestions for my own silk-pajama'ed live blogging event - Geithner's plan suits my pace. Either that or I'll start twittering.
March 25, 2009 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some folks are just better than others at liveblogging TV stuff. I resort to following along if I'm interested in the coverage from a TV source other than the one I'm watching.
March 25, 2009 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink