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Re-imagining the union debate


One of the ironies of successful social, political, public health and other movements is that if they're successful enough, they tend to obviate their own usefulness in society's common wisdom. For instance, why do so many Americans think that unions are institutions that have outlived their usefulness? Because of unions.

Unions have been so successful over the last 100 years or so at revolutionizing the way we think about labor and employment that we no longer really think of the rights they won as rights (i.e. things that need to be fought for and protected) but rather as just the way things are. Take Jonathan Cohn's description of auto factories pre-union:

At factories like the General Motors complex in Flint, Michigan, work was tedious, physically demanding, and frequently dangerous. Injuries abounded as foremen sped up assembly lines in an effort to weed out weaker laborers. Workers were afraid to take breaks lest capricious supervisors give away their jobs. "If guys had to urinate or whatever, it went in their pants or on the floor," recalls Arthur Lowell, now 91, who started working in the Flint factory in 1936, when he was 18. "The boss could fire you if he didn't like your looks, so you were very careful about what you said."

The story was the same throughout the auto industry--and there wasn't much workers could do about it. They didn't have formal or legal channels for recourse. Collective action wasn't much of an option, either, since carmakers were under no legal obligation to bargain with unions and had few constraints on their anti-union activities. When workers went on strike, companies brought in permanent replacements; when workers staged occupations, companies hired spies and security forces to infiltrate labor efforts and, if necessary, take out protesters by force.

There are some powerful people who would genuinely like us to go back to those days. Remember Tom DeLay on the sweatshops of the Marianas Islands? ("You represent everything that is good about what we are trying to do in America and leading the world in the free-market system.") But for the most part, I think Americans who bemoan unions are quite supportive of the changes they wrought in the system described above; rather, they're thinking about over-generous (though that's subjective) retirement benefits or small-bore work restrictions that are at least annoying if not downright obstructive to productive work.

For instance, I was an intern at NPR in Washington many years ago, a place that's a stickler for union rules. (Full disclosure: I am now a member of a broadcast union.) When we were out in the field, only the engineer was allowed to touch the equipment, which meant that setup and breakdown could only be done by one person and took significantly longer - after all, coiling cable and packing boxes is exactly what interns are supposed to be drafted into doing, right? And yet, such rules come from a place of genuine need for worker protection. If someone's hired to do a specific job, he can't live in the uncertainty that at any moment someone else might pick up some of his work for free, reducing his work hours and pay. Is my experience at NPR an example of a rule gone too far, a rule lacking enough nuance? Probably. But unfortunately, not many people charge unions with lacking nuance; they charge them with killing the American economy. And that tends to breed a sense of embattled defiance.

It would be great and productive if we could have a national conversation about unions that involved praising and valuing them for everything they've secured and continue to protect for American workers while examining what specific rules and policies and benefits might no longer be applicable or viable. Because I think most Americans who are casually anti-union wouldn't want the whole country's working conditions looking like the Marianas...but they probably don't realize that unions are fundamentally what stand between American workers and sweatshop conditions.

But unions always find themselves negotiating with Tom DeLay, or this month, Bob Corker, whose goal, unions know, is ultimately to destroy unions. Can we really blame the UAW for balking at some of their most stringent demands? (And can we not be deeply impressed at how much the UAW was willing to give up in those negotiations?)

Again, Cohn:

But, for all of Detroit's mistakes, it is also a victim of something it did right: ensuring a middle-class lifestyle for bluecollar workers. When the carmakers, pushed by unions, agreed to provide workers with a steady level of purchasing power, comprehensive health benefits lasting into retirement, and various forms of workplace rights, they were promising something that all Americans covet. And, while the financial costs and managerial constraints associated with that effort have helped bring domestic carmakers to the edge of collapse, ultimate responsibility for this situation lies beyond Detroit.
In a more enlightened society, after all, government would have made those promises and extended them to all workers, thereby spreading the burden of financing them to all taxpayers. That's how it's done in Europe and in Japan--which, not coincidentally, is the home of Detroit's most successful competitors. But the U.S. government never took that step. So, instead of a public welfare state, we got a private one, administered for only some workers and paid for by their employers. Sooner or later, this arrangement was bound to fail.

What's amazing and dispiriting to me is how many of the comments in response to Cohn's piece involved snarkily rejecting the idea that workers deserve anything in particular. Especially under the current "ownership society" paradigm of the last eight years, America has even more deeply ingrained the idea that worker benefits and protections are unnatural.

I don't agree with Cohn's ultimate conclusion that the U.S. should be like Scandinavia. For a whole host of reasons, among them the inherently individualistic American character that we probably can't escape even if we want to, we can never be Sweden (though I visited Sweden a couple years ago and loved it!). But I do think we can start understanding that national healthcare and strong worker protection and other liberal ideas go hand in hand with strong business and a booming economy. We can start undoing the false choice that conservatives have been forcing on us for decades: either you have rights and benefits, or you have good business, but you can't have both.


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I agree! The problem we have is this absurd idea popular of late among the post-partisan types that Demcrats don't need ideology. Without ideology you have no argument. You have no story to tell. You have no historical context. You have no cautionary tales. You have no heroes. You just have expedient pragmatic compromise with those who own the ideological agenda.

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Ideology negates free thinking and leads to solutions that aren't sustainable or equitable for all.

Ideology caused union to back their own workers' pay and benefits regardless of what other workers faced in competing industries, rather than looking to make changes at the national level. Ideology is why only 10 percent of American workers belong to unions despite the generally positive natures of their ideals.

Ideology is why liberals have failed to change a vast array of inequities, stifling debate by turning a conversation into an argument.

What exactly has ideology done in the last 30 years but drive us further apart?

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Here, Jason, I think I'd have to say you are full of shit.

It is precsely the LACK of ideology that has resulted in the backslide of the progressive/labor movement these last few decades. What was Clinton's DLC if not an effort to forego ideology in a "Gee, can't we all just get along?" rush (ahem!) to the middle. What did it get him, other than NAFTA-style free trade that put everyone on a rush to the bottom to gain "competitive" labor costs - oh, and an Impeachment thrown in for good measure.

I hope we soon get back to the day when labor had an ideology that asked "Whose side are you on?"; that was willing to stand up to inequities and grievances in the Haymarket, in the Pullman yards, in the coal mines, and yes, even at GM; that proudly owned their labor, rather than surrender it as a "human resource" for the irresponsible "free market capitalist" ideology to use up and discard however it sees fit.

Ideology is that which offers us pride and hope for a better future, rather than an acquiescence to hopefully "maintain what I've got, if that's all right with you, sir!" It's what gave the labor movement the backbone that allowed it to persevere and not be satisfied until worker's, too, were granted the blessings of liberty.

I'm not about to give that all up now in an effort to appease the union busting, global free traders who would cut my heart out in a minute if there was a dime to be made in it and call it "free market economics." They will first choke on my ideology in the Class War they have visited on my doorstep. And I will roundly reject THEIR ideology that says trickle down economics works for everyone, 'cuz I've grown damned tired of waiting with my hand out to receive what I knew was a beggar's promise from the start.

Solidarity, Jason! And to bluebell and November 5, I implore you to Keep the Faith!

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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I say it is a lack of ideals that leads to backsliding on progressive gains, not a lack of ideology.

Drawing a line in the sand and intoning "You're either with us or against us!" is what got us exactly no where in the last 40 plus years. Ideals, properly wielded and properly married to pragmatism and common sense, can convince those who don't agree with you to take another look at the issue. Ideology ensures they never will. In fact, it accomplishes the exact opposite of what it claims to promote. A subtle difference, to be sure, but a difference nonetheless.

This is the sense I get from Barack Obama - a willingness to forgo meaningless ideology in the pursuit of attaining meaningful ideals.

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PS: Neoconservative ideology got us where we are today, whereas conservative ideals (conservation, small government, individual rights, etc.) have been left by the wayside. I don't want to see the left make the same mistake as they take the reins of power. Ideals are worth fighting for while ideology tends to trump rational thought.

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Jason, I largely agree with you here, but fail to see any way, other than the admittedly landmark efforts by your avatar, (TR), that conservation has been an ideal of the conservative US political philosophy. Just sayin'.

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Oh... and rec'd.

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I agree that republican policy has not promoted those things, but many grassroots republicans believe in them nonetheless. Just like the democratic party faithful didn't get any less committed to liberal ideals even if the democratic party leadership never lived up to it. We need to make both parties better represent rank and file Americans.

I think it will take a Herculean effort on all our parts to get anything done given the huge challenges we have going in to the job. Since we aren't likely to get people to throw off their labels, perhaps we can develop a new lexicon by which we are able to discuss the solutions we all need to develop.

I see the unions as part of that conversation, but that leaves 90% of the workforce out of the discussion. Their needs are different from the needs of unions in many ways, so if we want to design solutions that are sustainable, the table needs a couple more chairs.

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You know Sleepin, I knew there was some reason I liked you

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I cannot top Sleepin here.

The problem as I see it is that there is nothing to replace unions with. The Reps just stomped them down into nothingness. With right to work laws the worker has no power at all.

This is how Walmart gets away with paying people sub survival wages.

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You're absolutely correct, dick, but I think a solution exists to the problem of workers having no recourse in a mostly "right to work" country. A solution that would have never been possible without the efforts of unions, by the way, of which I am both a former member and the son of a union retiree.

The unfortunate truth is that in order to fix the problems the unions were created to address, we might need to envision the end of unions as they currently exist. They may have to become like other professional associations or perhaps become more socially engaged, but fixing all the systemic problems they currently fight will necessitate a huge change in mission.

A real living wage in this country, one tied to cost of living in different areas as well as inflation, is the first one step. A national health care system that leaves no one out is another. Finally, some sort of national 401K for people to have an opportunity at a real pension through increased contributions that enjoy the security in numbers that other pension plans have, but don't ever impact a base Social Security benefit as a net.

I agree that the republicans have pursued a strategy of demonizing unions, but unions have been around for a long time and have only represented 30 percent of workers or less the entire time. They own some of the responsibility for not finding solutions to these problems we still face. Perhaps they should have come together decades ago, across industries, to pursue lasting progressive change at the national level instead of across the negotiating table, company by company? Perhaps if they had been more strategic and less tactical, we might not be having this conversation.

I don't know what the answer is, but clearly many union methods have been less effective with a majority of American than their overall progressive mission and message should warrant.

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"...clearly many union methods have been less effective with a majority of American than their overall progressive mission and message should warrant."

Read November 5 post again. It ain't that these were "less effective" as much as it is that the majority of Americans got fat, dumb, and happy and lost touch with their own history that showed just how they got here.

And so we slide backwards toward where we started. That won't be arrested until we collectively "re-learn" the lessons from the past; until we embrace the mantel of the ideologue and pursue justice for the American worker and defend ourselves in this ongoing Class War rather than simply roll over and play dead.

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I think the ideologues have been in charge for a hundred years and are still fighting the same battles, in perpetuity. At every contract renewal, they fight for the rights their grandfathers won before their parents were born.

I agree that Americans are fat, dumb and happy, but that is hardly a new state, else unions would have enjoyed a majority membership of American workers. I think we need to learn the lessons from the past not recycle failed processes that have failed to deliver on what are admirable goals.

Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results, has been described as insanity. I think it is more than that.

It is suicide.

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I'm on the road and will get back to this tomorrow. Meanwhile read your comment again and perhaps rethink the "doing the same thing with no result" stuff.For so long as the union movement was strong there can be no ignoring the tremendous steps forward that were made. Later!

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And I guess I agree about fighting the same battles. For example,the ideolgues who were first crazy enough to insist that "We hold these truths to be self evident..." never gained full acceptance and implementation of these "truths" even to this day. That will not be cause for the ones who follow to simply give up the fight, throw up their hands and attempt to negotiate some middle ground.

Indeed, perhaps the most inspiring response to the challenge is found in Patrick Henry's famous insistence to "give me Liberty or give me death."

I'm guessing he missed the memo that explained Liberty was simply an "idea" that could be negotiated among pragmatists.

My point is there are some things - such as our inalienable rights - that are well worth fighting for in a take no prisoners approach.

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Yes, but we have modified our methods since those brave and crazy ideologues won our freedom. They fought those battles so we wouldn't have to or would be able to find more effective means.

Mostly we have been successful. The union movement, in its first few decades, moved the labor conversation forward more than any movement had in history. Then, like most winners, they promptly rested on their laurels and stopped evolving.

At which point, they started shedding membership like a mangy dog.

I am not debating whether unions have been a part of revolutionary gains for American workers. Really, workers the world over. They are clearly responsible for a lot of great things, even as recently as OSHA being signed by Nixon in 1970. But they are no more immune to the need to grow and change their methods than any other organization.

Like most sacred cows, this one has been shielded from criticism for too long.

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When was the last time you sat at a bargaining table?

"...fight for the rights their grandfathers won..."

It's called a bargaining table for a reason. When your union rep sits across the table from the company's man, he's facing the guy that can end your livlihood and neither one of them are there to politely discuss ideology. The company guy says, "We're thinking of building a plant on Mars to build iambic pentameters."

Your rep says, "You know we can build iambic pentameters right here in our plant. Why are you taking work away from us?"

"Martians work cheap."

"Your transportation costs will skyrocket."

"Everything is weightless in outerspace. We've hired some guy to design a flinger-catcher so we can fling product off Mars and catch it here on Earth. We figure the extra cost in transporation will be less than the increase in wages and benefits you are asking for."

As ludicrous as the above is, it's pretty much how the bargaining goes. Who gets him some and who loses him some all depends on which side has the bargaining power at the time.

Sometimes the company man has the advantage and the best the union rep can do is maintain the status quo,"...the rights their grandfathers won..."

Sometimes the union rep has the advantage and the workers get dental coverage.

It's not insanity.

It's not suicide.

It's survival.

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It's called "winning" the same concession each and every time your contract comes up rather than having those things codified as law, so you don't have to fight the same battles, over and over again.

I don't need to sit at the table to know that the table has become a part fo the problem and not a part fo the solution.

For instance, rather than joining with employers decades ago to get a national health care system that benefits all involved and a living wage that stabilizes labor costs, unions forced each and every employer or industry, individually, to provide health care and decent wages.

That seems to be a methodology, developed a hundred years ago, crying out for process re-engineering.

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They don't 'win' the same concession over and over again. Sometimes the bargaining just ends in a draw. Like I said...it all depends on who is holding the high card when it comes time for contract talks. It's the nature of the beast for the battleline to flex back and forth.

The history between the UAW and the auto industry (especially GM) is contentious at best. There are some really, really, deeply held resentments on both sides going back to the 1930's. The kind of resentments that are hard to get past. (I commented in another thread on this subject just a few days ago.) These guys don't leave their egos at the door when they talk contract. They don't want to be friends and neither of them necessarily want to be friends with the government.

It would be great if unions, all unions, and employers banded together to demand that the government pony up and improve the workingman's condition. Actually, I think you are going to see that happen very shortly. I never thought I'd see the day, knowing as I do the UAW/GM history. But, I'm really looking forward to it.

My hunch is that the government is going to take the health insurance burden, for both workers and retirees, off the auto industry's shoulders in order to give them a boost in the industry recovery. Other unions and employers get to come along for the ride. The Obama administration is speaking of sweeping changes. I think that is going to be one of them.

It took the Great Depression to jump start a labor movement. All it's taking to get to the next level is a worldwide recession. Sad to say.

Voting your way out of a bad situation doesn't usually happen. Usually. Fortunately, this time it worked.

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I don't disagree with your historical analysis of the issue, but it does highlight my desire to see new conversations and new paradigms to replace the ones that have been broken for decades.

Not laying blame, just pointing out the fact that your comment supports.

Voting will be the only way we begin to solve these problems for good instead of for just a generation or two. I would love to see us make changes that enable my grandchildren to fight and win new battles, not re-fight the battles we thought had been won.

I suspect your hunch of companies and unions coming together to force some stability in wages and health care and pensions at the federal level is right on. My only argument is that they could have done so decades ago and unless we force them to now, those egos will never be checked at the door. As Churchill said: "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing...after they have exhausted all other possibilities."

I would love to see us start doing the right thing first instead as a last resort.

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"I would love to see us start doing the right thing first instead as a last resort."

Me, too! But here's the rub...which right thing is the rightest and who says so?

And, I love that Churchill quote. It's just so us.

If you celebrate a holiday this time of year, I wish the best for you and yours, Jason. And my online friends have always called me 'flower'.

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It's going to take all of us, pulling together toward a common destination, to get this country fixed and focused. I truly believe what we are doing here at TPM (and elsewhere) is a stone tossed into that pond of American consciousness.

Despite coming from a different place with regards to methodology, I find your contributions to the ripples to be uniformly well-reasoned, consistent and non-confrontational. Leading by example, as it were, will pay huge dividends down the line for "liberals" and "conservatives" alike.

I wish you and yours all the best as well, Flower!

PS: We boycotted Christmas two years ago because it was so commercialized and have slowly come back to feeling the spirit of Christmas without the excess. Always a delicate balancing act in this country between our insanity and our charity.

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"It would be great and productive if we could have a national conversation about unions that involved praising and valuing them for everything they've secured..."

I basically agree with the whole post...but the above portion stuck out for me. A national conversation would be great...but realistically, most folks don't want to sit down and talk about unions. They don't have time. They're too busy working their asses off to provide for their families.

That's why I was surprised at the 90% figure.
Perhaps the 10% that do have union protection are wondering why the 90% still haven't joined them. I would be. Why would I not want better working conditions for myself and better pay? Am I not worthy? And if I'm not, how did I become unworthy? Somebody must have taught me that because unworthiness wasn't there when I was born.

I have an idea that in the future, when legislation passes universal health care and living wages are based on real life, unions will still have a place as liasons between the great unwashed (that would be me types) and the neat and tidy. Somebody will still have to speak for the workers.

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Because many in the 90% enjoy careers and benefits and great salaries without a union.

Also, the unions haven't done a good enough job getting those who don't enjoy such job security and growth to see why being aprt of a union would enable that.

I suspect that to get a living wage and national health care, that the "workers" will have to start speaking for themselves via the ballot box. Ever our Achilles Heel.

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