Let's use the F Word
NYT on the auto bailout:
Oh, those complex and arcane Senate rules - why clutter the issue at hand with the nitty-gritty of boring procedural stuff? You may have a dim memory of a time when a simple majority could pass something in the Senate, unless Jimmy Stewart got up and talked for hours on end, but that's just because you don't grasp the minutiae of Senate procedure. Now go back to sleep - we'll wake you if anything important happens.
It escapes me why we have stopped using the word "filibuster" when discussing the "60 votes needed" issue in the Senate. But that's what it is. The Democrats may have a majority to pass the auto industry bailout bill, but Republicans will filibuster it...and since it takes 60 votes to stop a filibuster, the bill will not pass. That's not difficult to explain - I just did it in one sentence. Both Democrats and Republicans use the filibuster when they're in the minority, so it's not a partisan thing. But especially since the Republicans, when they were the majority, couldn't stop talking about the fairness of an "up or down vote," I think the minority party ought to be forced to explain why it's blocking such a vote.
For instance, I think Senator Bob Corker (R-TN) ought to be forced to stand on the Senate floor for awhile and explain why his alternate bill is better:
I would like Corker to explain why, if American auto companies are making bulky gas-guzzling cars that no one wants to buy anymore, the problem is that their workers are being paid too much. I would like him to explain why, after decades in which the auto companies were told their business model was unsustainable, and Corker's own party blocked any attempts to force the companies to change, the people who should now suffer are the companies' workers, laid-off workers, and investors.
I know "What's the Matter with Kansas?" territory is pretty well-trod ground. But it is astounding to me that American voters have repeatedly elected to power a party that advocates banking their entire financial security on the vicissitudes of a global free-market system with no safety net...and then, when millions of people stand to lose their jobs in the collapse of the pyramid scheme the party facilitated, it says, "You know what the problem is? You're all being paid too much."
I'm not saying the Democrats' auto bailout bill is perfect. Frankly, I wouldn't know - the economic issues involved here are above my pay grade and that of most Americans. But we know dead-end ideological grandstanding when we see it. There may be a host of good reasons to hold up this legislation - the straw man of union greed ain't one of them.
For procedural reasons the measure needs 60 votes to advance in the Senate where Democrats currently hold a 50 to 49 majority, including two independents.
Oh, those complex and arcane Senate rules - why clutter the issue at hand with the nitty-gritty of boring procedural stuff? You may have a dim memory of a time when a simple majority could pass something in the Senate, unless Jimmy Stewart got up and talked for hours on end, but that's just because you don't grasp the minutiae of Senate procedure. Now go back to sleep - we'll wake you if anything important happens.
It escapes me why we have stopped using the word "filibuster" when discussing the "60 votes needed" issue in the Senate. But that's what it is. The Democrats may have a majority to pass the auto industry bailout bill, but Republicans will filibuster it...and since it takes 60 votes to stop a filibuster, the bill will not pass. That's not difficult to explain - I just did it in one sentence. Both Democrats and Republicans use the filibuster when they're in the minority, so it's not a partisan thing. But especially since the Republicans, when they were the majority, couldn't stop talking about the fairness of an "up or down vote," I think the minority party ought to be forced to explain why it's blocking such a vote.
For instance, I think Senator Bob Corker (R-TN) ought to be forced to stand on the Senate floor for awhile and explain why his alternate bill is better:
Among other things, the alternate plan offered by Mr. Corker calls for giving the holders of bonds issued by the auto companies 30 cents on the dollar to ease the companies' debt burden; immediately bringing workers' wages in line with foreign companies like Nissan and Volkswagen; and forcing the United Auto Workers to eliminate payments to workers after their jobs have been eliminated.
I would like Corker to explain why, if American auto companies are making bulky gas-guzzling cars that no one wants to buy anymore, the problem is that their workers are being paid too much. I would like him to explain why, after decades in which the auto companies were told their business model was unsustainable, and Corker's own party blocked any attempts to force the companies to change, the people who should now suffer are the companies' workers, laid-off workers, and investors.
I know "What's the Matter with Kansas?" territory is pretty well-trod ground. But it is astounding to me that American voters have repeatedly elected to power a party that advocates banking their entire financial security on the vicissitudes of a global free-market system with no safety net...and then, when millions of people stand to lose their jobs in the collapse of the pyramid scheme the party facilitated, it says, "You know what the problem is? You're all being paid too much."
I'm not saying the Democrats' auto bailout bill is perfect. Frankly, I wouldn't know - the economic issues involved here are above my pay grade and that of most Americans. But we know dead-end ideological grandstanding when we see it. There may be a host of good reasons to hold up this legislation - the straw man of union greed ain't one of them.
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NPR did in fact call it a "planned filibuster" in a news brief today.
December 11, 2008 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
There may be a host of good reasons to hold up this legislation - the straw man of union greed ain't one of them.
And yet, as Rachel Maddow just said, that seems to be the exact organizing principle that the Repugs have rallied around. They couldn't get excited about McCain, they couldn't agree on Sarah Palin—but vilifying the American worker, that they can get behind.
December 11, 2008 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ha-ha "filibuster threat." They know that Harry Reid will never call their bluff and actually force them to stand on the floor and speak . . . which is what a filibuster used to mean.
Now it's just a joke.
"We're going to filibuster."
"Oh, don't go to any trouble, we'll just surrender."
F-words. Feckless fearful foolish failures. Even when the people elect them, the Democrats keep acting like born losers. The only one with brains and backbone is Russ Feingold.
December 12, 2008 3:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Y'all really believe Harry Reid enjoys losing a battle like this? That he just lies down and lets it happen?
I wouldn't be the majority head for any amount of money. It's a lose-lose job. Nobody gives the majority head any credit for any damn thing. All I hear and all I've ever heard is whining and bitching. Why didn't Reid do this, why didn't Reid do that. Why don't y'all run for Congress and stop bitching?
December 12, 2008 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry if I got your goat. As a political junkie, I know there HAVE been majority leaders who knew how to lead; how to count; how to wheel and deal and to browbeat when necessary. And there have been patsies like Mansfield, Daschle, Reid.
Why DON'T they force the Thugs to follow through on their filibusters? Sure, the filibustering would stop any given bill, perhaps. But it is a tough task. Before long, the enthusiasm for filibustering would diminish dramatically. And an actual filibuster is the ONLY way the public will ever perceive the Thugs as obstructionists. Reid telling reporters that Republicans are blocking things cuts no ice. He presents no visible evidence, and is easily refuted with a right-wing sound bite in response.
I don't care whether or not Harry Reid "enjoys" losing. His "enjoyment" isn't my concern. I would like to see someone who has enough political skill to do the job. Lyndon Johnson, dead, would get more done than Reid can, while yet breathing.
And you betcha, "I all" ran for Congress. Have you? I wasn't elected, but there was no reason to expect I would be. I certainly am willing to give credit where it is due---to principled liberals like Russ Feingold or the late Paul Wellstone, or even to crooks like LBJ, who did know how to get things done---like the civil rights bills.
And tell me why Reid and the other congressional Democratic wimps and simps kept caving in to Bush/Cheney even when the public turned against the criminals? And say, if the Dem leaders couldn't have won votes outright, then for the good of the country why didn't the Dems resort to the filibuster? Hell, even as the purported "majority" they could have used that tactic if needed!
I'd like to see how the "enablers" will rationalize continued Thug dominance and manipulation of Congress. Despite the fact that they'll be a distinct minority in both houses AND have lost the executive, they'll still be calling the tune, framing the terms of the debate, and keeping the Dems on the defensive. Unless there's more skillful Dem leadership.
You know, I once heard Harry Reid express his frustration, back in January or Feb. of 2005, on a radio show. He even compared the Bush regime to the totalitarian nightmare described in Orwell's novel "1984." So I know that somewhere inside, Reid must realize how screwed up things are. But he has not shown the political ability needed in his position.
December 12, 2008 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do wish they'd forced the Republicans to filibuster. To not do so allows the Repubs to scapegoat the UAW which I don't think is fair (for the reasons November posted above).
Besides, we're coming up on the holidays - they might not really have the juice for a filibuster, and it would be HYSTERICAL to see them give up an hour or so in to it...
Call their bluff!!!
December 12, 2008 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
In principle, I agree with Tena. In this one instance, I agree with those who say its time to roll out the cots and choose up the speechifying relay teams.
But the truth is that I expect that Bush will go ahead and authorize the release of enough TARP funds to see them through until January 20) rather than go down in history as the guy who nailed the Big Three to the crosses of neo-Hooverism.
December 12, 2008 11:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
FUUUUCK!
(Oh, wait, you meant something else?)
December 12, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink